Overtaking.

Next Sundaé can we have a thread about accelerating towards traffic lights that have just turned to red?

I’m hoping that this rather unexpected turn of events will allow this thread to gently expire…

I’m hoping that this rathér unexpectéd turn of événts will allow this thréad to géntly éxpiré…

FTFY

You missed one!

Oh poo, I méan you misséd oné…

arsé

That giraffe is easily the best post yet.

Mais oui!

I like it that this thread has descended into ridiculousnéss.

molgrips – Member
If you’re in front, you get first dibs at any opportunity. If you don’t take it, it’s fair enough for somebody else to.
Ah well here’s a few issues.

1) What you think of as ‘an opportunity’ may not be the same as what I do. Just because you are prepared to cut it close DOES NOT give you the right to queue jump. Unless I’ve ignored miles of clear road, which in my case I won’t have done.

2) Often I am ready to overtake, and I can’t, because someone is already in the process of overtaking me. This boils my piss far more.

3) If I’m next in line to pass, and you overtake ME in the queue, then pull in infront of me, I’m no longer next in line. So next time there’s space for one car to go, you go and I’m left behind, even though it was legitimately my turn. How can you justify this?

1. If I was able to safely overtake you already, the likelihood is that you’ll dawdle again.

2. You should have moved out earlier and put your indicator on. Two benefits 1 – you get a better view, 2 – people behind know your intentions. If you have left a decent gap to the car in front, you’ll easily beat out any car behind you.

3. See 1.

But Molgrips drives a milk float so it is all hypothetical really.

Gordon Bennett, I’ve started something here.

retro83 stop trying to hijack this giraffe and accent topic.

The following examples of circumstances that are likely to be characterised as dangerous driving are derived from decided cases and the SGC Guideline ‘Causing Death by Driving’ (http://www.sentencing-guidelines.gov.uk/guidelines):

aggressive driving, such as sudden lane changes, cutting into a line of vehicles or driving much too close to the vehicle in front;

The following examples of circumstances that are likely to be characterised as dangerous driving are derived from decided cases and the SGC Guideline ‘Causing Death by Driving’ (http://www.sentencing-guidelines.gov.uk/guidelines):
aggressive driving, such as sudden lane changes, cutting into a line of vehicles or driving much too close to the vehicle in front

chvck – Member
retro83 stop trying to hijack this giraffe and accent topic.

sörry

It’s more like someone approaching the checkout but staying about 4 foot back, faffing about and looking up and down the row for other checkouts/batteries/magazines/whatever, and then getting the hump when someone else pops in to their “space”.

Good analogy.

Things happen quickly in these situations. If I read some people as dawdlers/cautious then I’ll overtake them and the lorry/bus etc.

Another point is that I enjoy accelerating and overtaking. It’s not always to get ahead, often it’s just for fun.

NRATS

it’s why I ride motorbikes. Get too wound up by dawdling knobbers when I’m in the car, on the bike they barely register I’m past that quick.

I’m with Wrightyson – I’ve nothing against people who want to enjoy a leisurely drive but such folk need to consider other people have the desire to be somewhere sooner. The main frustration are those that dawdle until an overtaking opportunity arises and then they accelerate or those that when you do overtake get bent out of shape and flash their lights.

I’m sure the OP uses his judgement to only overtake when progress will be made whereas in rush hour traffic it’s pointless.

Out of curiosity for those that have criticised the OP in a trail centre when you come up behind a slow / novice rider do you chill out and sit behind at their pace or do you force your way by?

wrightyson – Member

Before the flames, I do not drive an Audi, I am not smurfmat,
I have two children in the car, this is not a troll, just a thought.
I love driving, still even now when I’ve changed my fun super quick petrol saloon for a diesel estate.
However after spending an hour on the a roads today on the journey home I wish I still had that bit more under the bonnet.
Why don’t we teach folk who don’t want to overtake the bus doing 40 mph on an nsl road to leave a good size space for others to make progress safely rather than doing a “five car overtake”
At some points on the road I reckon you could see a good 1/4 mile. I can totally understand why the lads on bikes white line it the whole time!

The volume of traffic in 2013 is probably biggest problem -both vehicles travelling the same way and oncoming vehicles.
The ever-decreasing speed limits are an issue.

There must also be a fear of overtaking in a sizeable portion of the population.

I don’t buy this “always wait your turn” nonsense. The people in front have often failed to take numerous opportunities to overtake.

The main thing is to keep looking a long way ahead, preferably beyond the next couple of bends/hazards, if possible. If you can clearly see that nothing is approaching 2 bends away you can overtake (often at a steady speed or under deceleration, rather than having to accelerate) through a series of bends that the column of slow-moving vehicles will be most likely be comfort-braking for, because they’ve not looked more than 10m beyond the end of their bonnet or the car 2m ahead of them.

Overtaking over blind crests/around blind corners is definitely a no-no, though.

I can totally understand why the lads on bikes white line it the whole time!

Overtaking on even a modestly powerful bike is a joy, compared with even a fast car.

And why when you do overtake smoothly and safely does the bloke behind flash his lights mentally as though you’ve just clipped his wing whilst pulling back in!

This puzzles me too, although it doesn’t happen too often. Many of those people do appear to be posting on here though.

The IAM teaches drivers to acknowledge stylish overtaking by 300+bhp motorists with frantic light flashing. It’s the equivalent of a standing ovation for you.

P.s. I havè réally ênjoyëd r?ading this thr?ad.

NRATS, but the bits I have read seem to be inhabited by people whose horses are so high they must need oxygen.
I’m with the OP. If people want to drive along a NSL road, which has safe overtaking opportunities, behind a slow vehicle at 38mph then they should leave a 2 second gap so that people who want to make progress can do so. I cannot see any reasonable reason for anyone to object to this suggestion. If you are happy at 38mph, then surely you will be equally happy 50 yards further back down the road?
There was the thread a few days ago about who you would pull if you were a traffic cop – it’s the 40mph everywhere, NSL or 30, who would get my vote. They are just completely oblivious to what is going on – which is a pretty dangerous way to drive.

Best thing I ever did was advanced motorcycle training with the police (twice). It’s not about knee- down heroism, it’s about learning how to read the road and make the correct decisions. Obviously it’s all taught at sensible speeds but it translates to spirited driving / riding too.

If people flash me after a perfectly legitimate overtake I tend to slow down to about 10mph for a mile or so to p*ss them off. Idiots.

There’s a lot of anger in here.

If people flash me after a perfectly legitimate overtake I tend to slow down to about 10mph for a mile or so to p*ss them off. Idiots.

if that does not show them that you are not an inconsiderate dangerous driver then really what will?

aka_Gilo – Member

Best thing I ever did was advanced motorcycle training with the police (twice). It’s not about knee- down heroism, it’s about learning how to read the road and make the correct decisions. Obviously it’s all taught at sensible speeds but it translates to spirited driving / riding too.

Agreed, having had sessions with Police instructors on 2 and 4 wheels, although the information is out there in books and on the www for people who are interested, so you can learn most of it before/without having a session with a Police instructor. Practice and more practice.

If people flash me after a perfectly legitimate overtake I tend to slow down to about 10mph for a mile or so to p*ss them off. Idiots.

Don’t do that. Really, what is the point?

Don’t do that. Really, what is the point?

Quite·…… and one of these days you’ll get someone who is so doddery or angry that they’ll give your back wheel a nudge ………….

Out of curiosity for those that have criticised the OP in a trail centre when you come up behind a slow / novice rider do you chill out and sit behind at their pace or do you force your way by?

This. Also, if you’re a mincer (hiya!) and a faster rider is behind you, do you get out of the way?

People ride, and drive, at different speeds. Whether you’re slowerer or fasterer, you should really make allowances for each other.

never been on an stw ride with 40 people going downhill then 😉

Its pointless overtaking as their are folk everywhere, you would need to cut folk up and there is a still a queue in front of you which is just like the roads. the risk of crashing increases as well…I speak from experience 😳

Agree (Cougar) but sadly, so many on the roads just don’t – too wrapped up in their own dead-set ideas of the way things should be done, or just plain unaware.

I’ve said this before, but the west coast of Scotland is especially bad for this, especially through the summer months when lots of tourists clog the narrow, winding roads. There’s always a few who drive round all the corners at 22mph, then immediately speed up to 70 coming on to the straights, preventing overtaking.

Considering the roads are 90% winding, this very quickly becomes irksome as it takes hours to get anywhere.

Every tourist areas has that one of the penalties of living somehwere nice.
I used to hate crawling behind cars pointing out of windows at the mountains and admiring the views when i just wanted to get home for tea or into work; what can you do though ?
It is better than being stuck in traffic jams in built up areas and equally annoying. Roads have vehicles and the other vehicles often impede your progress.

It’s not so much that they’re enjoying the scenery, more that they are terrified of going round corners and seem to feel they’re doing you a favour by booting it on the (very rare) straight bits.

Slightly better in some ways at night, as you can scan the glen ahead for headlights, and if you haven’t seen any for a while, you can overtake on semi-blind corners and terrify the poor beggars!*

*semi-serious observation but I have done this once or twice after becoming incredibly frustrated over the course of 20-odd miles crawling along in the dark…

122 dead – 106 hit by cars/vans/trucks/bikes

Motorcycles are the way forward, they make journeys so much simpler, no traffic, easy overtakes etc etc…..just a shame the weather isnt better on our little island.

I wish more people wood ride motorbikes. We could do with more of the nice fresh organs with which they supply us.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/public/cyclesafety/article3313260.ece
Very sad stats but what relevance does it have to the op?

do you chill out and sit behind at their pace or do you force your way by?

I get alongside and then throw energy bar wrappers in their face.

1. If I was able to safely overtake you already, the likelihood is that you’ll dawdle again.

2. You should have moved out earlier and put your indicator on. Two benefits 1 – you get a better view, 2 – people behind know your intentions. If you have left a decent gap to the car in front, you’ll easily beat out any car behind you.

3. See 1.

1) bullshit, because people are stealing my opportunities all the time

2) It frequently happens that I see clear road, signal, look in my mirror, but it’s too late cos some bastard is bombing by. Out of my way loser I’m coming through! I can’t ‘move out’ when the road’s not actually clear, can I?

3) No way. Outrageously rude. You’re not getting it. I’m talking specifically about the times when I want to pass and could but am prevented from doing so by the selfish actions of someone else. It’s not justifiable whatever way you try.

You’re trying to make me out to be a dawdling old granny or something. I’m not.

I wish more people wood ride motorbikes. We could do with more of the nice fresh organs with which they supply us.

Is that in your clipboard for every thread where a motorbike is mentioned?

Here’s an idea – for every motorcyclist, or indeed cyclist who is killed by the ineptitude of a car driver (I went to two of them last week in separate incidents), how about we also harvest the organs from the moron behind the wheel? Gets the menace off the roads and helps people who obviously need them and halves the shortage.

Everyone’s a winner 8)

Is that in your clipboard for every thread where a motorbike is mentioned?

Ooooh, get you girl!

(Yes, it most probably is…not sure it’s every thread though.)

how about we also harvest the organs from the moron behind the wheel

Whut? We kill someone for making a mistake? (Just playing along)