[Closed] Now i'm not a racist, but......

Like church bells. Or the constant drone of traffic noise resulting from our worship of the car.

What's racism got to do with it?

[b]BING BONG[/b]

[b]ALL USUAL SUSPECTS TO THE THREAD PLEASE[/b]

Can you hear that noise? It's me putting the kettle on. Hob nob anybody?

Isn't it the call to worship that they sing / broadcast out?

So it's a reminder to the faithful to get their arses down to the mosque. Same as Catholic churches having the dong dong dong bell before a service, and normal churches having ringy ring bells?

So yeah, it is noise pollution, the same as dingy dong bells in a church, but given we generally accept that they are okay, I don't see what's wrong with this.

Joe

Michael, did you get the phone? The wife posted it last week. New e-mail in profile if you need to get in touch.

Any sentance that starts with those words.... I'm not racist but; means that a racist sentance is about to be spilled out. Move to Switzerland if you don't like it!

[url= http://www.movetoswitzerland.com/ ]bomberman come home please[/url]

I live opposite a church.

They ring the bells every quarter of an hour, including weird times like 3am.
Bell practise is appalling.

I think I'd rather have a nice bloke singing 🙂

Nothing to see here, please move along.

i kind of like hearing the allah akbar thing when i'm somewhere hot and dusty. although i once climbed a post and stuck a pair of socks in a loudspeaker outside a mosque in Luxor - the loudspeaker that pointed at my hotel room. which was very racialisticionary of me. i would be reluctant to do the same in this day and age of jihadists. feel free to try the same bomberman and let us know how you get on

like starting..... "With all due respect...."

"Like church bells", Like to see you start ring Church Bells in Triploi where i am, see how far you get, tolerance my left buttock cheek, when it suits certain people. It has been a long day today with these characters.

IMO - Not racist but in some cases a noise pollution issue, worth checking with your local environmental folk, i mean you can get orders telling you to lower your music in your house etc. I suppose and expect you will get nowhere though.

Now I'm not a rascist but...

Those words have never in the history of time ever been followed by a comment that is not rascist.

well obviously i thought i'd be branded a racist for complaining about it so i thought i'd pre-empt it. Church bells are ****ing annoying too. DING DONG DING DONG! why can't they play a nice tune like a bit of James Brown or something?

'apparently' is also good one - it usually means, 'I'm going to tell you some lies'

*pulling up a chair* this should be good..
Barnsley.. any choc. digestives?

oh.. and btw... I live in Switzerland.
( and it's funny it it's own way.. the Swiss have just outlawed minarets but up in German speaking Switzerland many church bells are rung on the hour every hour 24 x 7 ) (( not so much down here in french speaking part ))

"to be perfectly honest..." Here come the lies!

Stupid swissers! 😉

IIRC = I think a bloke in the pub told me once...

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hainey - Member

Stupid swissers!
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who am I to say?.. me?.. I'm a yank.. *L*

anokdale - Member

"Like church bells", Like to see you start ring Church Bells in Triploi where i am

but, where would you rather be a citizen (subject?) of? Libya or The UK?

sure it's annoying, no more annoying than church bells though

i'm sure you aren't a racialist but you certainly got a thread title :FAIL:

just be glad you live in a vibrant multi ethnic area. Lots of people died in several wars so that you could hear the sound of the call to prayer, and so that you could complain about it 🙂

Now what would happen if you parked up outside said mosque with a barryed up sound system blaring out music????
Just curious.

(Sound: Church bells, lots of them, ringing.)

Husband: I wish those bloody bells would stop.

Wife: Oh, it's quite nice dear, it's Sunday, it's the church.

Husband: What about us atheists? Why should we 'ave to listen to that sectarian turmoil?

Wife: You're a lapsed atheist, dear.

Husband: The principle's the same. Bleedin' C.V.! The Mohmedans don't come 'round here wavin' bells at us! We don't get Buddhists playing bagpipes in our bathroom! Or Hindus harmonizing in the hall! The Shintoists don't come here shattering sheet glass in the shithouse and shouting slogans-

Wife: All right, don't practice your alliteration on me.

Husband: Anyway, when I get my membership card and blazer badge back from the League of Agnostics, I shall urge the executive to lodge a protest against that religious racket! Pass the butter knife!

Wife: WHAT??

Husband: PASS THE BUTTER KNIFE!! (pause) THANK YOU! IF ONLY WE HAD SOME KIND OF MISSILE!

Husband: Graham Chapman
Wife: Terry Jones

Now what would happen if you parked up outside said mosque with a barryed up sound system blaring out music????
Just curious.

Or an ice-cream van with church bells playing and the slogan "mind that muslim child"

JOKE- ITS A JOKE!!

Just sample it, stick some noodly guitar over the top and hey presto!

http://open.spotify.com/track/5NmIlA4EWshYKtL9w9JM15

I am in Swizerland at the moment and had a great conversation with a group of blokes in the bar last night. I am trying to start a campaign here to take photos of all the ugly church spires in Switzerland and then ban all future church spire building.

I know that pretty church spires are okay but some of the concrete monstrocities they have are fugly. If we let them build these they will desecrate the beautiful Swiss sky line.

The conversation started with a white Swiss bloke saying to me and these other blokes 'I am not racist but having minerets will desecrate the Swiss sky line'. A few of the darker skinned blokes took umbrage and then the first guy tried to get me on his side. I started off pretending to agree with him:

Yes, some buildings are inappropriate in certain places. - The Tunisians weren't happy
I them pointed at a glass fronted bank building and said it was a perfect example and should be pulled down. - He frowned a bit, Tunisians smiled a bit.
He started about 'culturally relevent'
I agreed. Perhaps they could just be in Muslim nieghbourhoods.
He nodded.
And perhaps we could build walls around these niebourhoods so no-one could see the offensive buildings - Tunisians laughing openly now
He desperately trying to back pedal.

ended up a good night in a bar with my new Tunisian friends. Strange as I didn't think muslims dranks expensive Whisky.

Just imagine if there was no religion?

Lots of people died in several wars so that you could hear the sound of the call to prayer

That was worth it then, well done 🙄

My local "place of worship" allow there "followers" to park on a double yellow line outside any time the want. If i tried the same thing when going to buy some milk for my Mother i would get a ticket. Go figure!

Religion 👿

If it's relgious based is it xenophobia not racism?

your local place of worship have no say over who can park on double yellow lines, if you don't like it, complain to the council. the parents from my local primary school park all over the place, i don;t hate kids as a result*. I just leave polite notices on the cars from time to time and bring it up on local council surveys

* i hate kids for other reasons

warton - Member
Now I'm not a rascist but...

Those words have never in the history of time ever been followed by a comment that is not rascist.

Except in the case of this thread.

I'm with sofatester it's religious tossers thinking they can inflict their beliefs and ways on the whole population. Whether it be with squawking Muslim chanting of droning Christian bells. Get all the religious lemmings and ship 'em all off to the moon....then nuke it.

All I need now is for the Jehovah ****ing Witnesses to bang on the door now

I feel better for that, and I bet it will go down well with everyone. 😆

mk1fan - Member

If it's relgious based is it xenophobia not racism?

in this case i think it's just NIMBYism

I just leave polite notices on the cars from time to time and bring it up on local council surveys

Nice sticky ones i hope? 😀

"Like church bells", Like to see you start ring Church Bells in Triploi where i am, see how far you get, tolerance my left buttock cheek, when it suits certain people. It has been a long day today with these characters.

It is weird, UK nutters keep saying 'Ah, but if you went to <insert crazy far out dictatorship here>, you wouldn't be able to build a church / ring bells / whatever', as if the best model for how to run a friendly, open society, is to look at what crazy dictators reigning over corrupt political systems get up to.

If you look at predominantly muslim countries that aren't run by crazy nutters (or even most of the far out ones), they have churches, same as european countries have mosques.

Even crazy places mostly have churches, there were churches under Saddam Hussein in Iraq, there are churches in Libya, there are churches in Iran. People moaning about muslims having mosques in the UK are taking a position more extremist than Saddam Hussein or Muammar Al-Gaddafi. That is pretty far out.

I think Saudi Arabia may not allow churches, China I believe restricts churches. Those are the kinds of role models that the anti muslim types in the UK would like us to follow?

Joe

Harman will have you strung up by your balls. Keen mountain biker apparently. Looks like she fell on her face a few times though.

[i]All I need now is for the Jehovah **** Witnesses to bang on the door now[/i]

Least they understand no interested, not like the Mormons who have started knocking on our door.

"Hi, how are you this morning?"

"Not interested"

"But you don't know why we're here."

"Look I'm not interested."

"But you haven't heard what we have to say."

"That's because I'm not interested."

"Sir, you don't where I'm from."

"Yes I do you wearing badges, now please get off my property."

"Let me first tell you..."

"Get off my property, I've asked you to leave now this is your last warning before I use reasonable force."

"Sir please..."

"Get the **** off my property."

That takes too long now so I just shut the door as soon as I see who it is.

People moaning about muslims having mosques in the UK are taking a position more extremist than Saddam Hussein or Muammar Al-Gaddafi. That is pretty far out.

I think gassing the Kurds was a tad naughty though.

Cut-n-paste

Take a tradition from another culture, another part of the world.

Impose it onto a culture in a location that hasn't experienced it before, and what do expect ?.

There was dislike of the traditions and ways we brought with us when we expanded empire and to my mind, whenever you introduce something [i]different[/i] into an established culture, there will be complaints.

I've lived in a country where nearly everyone was islamic, and the call to prayer was going off all through the day. Never heard a church bell though.
Never thought to mention it to anyone either.
It was their culture, their way and while I lived in their country, I accepted it, I repsected their ways, the ways of the people and their culture, in that place...

Loads of noise from a tall tower isn't really 21st century is it.
I've just spotted a market for islamic watches and clock alarms.
Watches and clocks with the prayer times set as default. Just better ensure the alarm isn't too loud though...

So, complain through the proper channels, but do so about church bells and the call to prayer. After all, noise is noise and if its happening to close to you, then something ought to be done. Not because its a church or a mosque, but just from a noise pollution point of view.

I see this as a practical issue regarding noise, no need to bring it down to an arguement related to religious worship, imo.

CC.

[i]I think gassing the Kurds was a tad naughty though. [/i]

I don't know merely grumbling about them is far worse, Joe has a point.

Try living next door to a muslim fundamentalist. Its no bloody fun. The **** next door to me used to feel the need to broadcast the call to prayer every time he prayed. This usually coincided with the exact moment my daughter had just gone to slep.

He wouldn't listen to reason on the subject (they tend to be quite uncompromising types) so I started my own religion worshiping lemmy, and my call to prayer was Ace of Spades at ridiculous volume.

Perhaps you should try that?

CC - your cut and paste is from the real world of which this forum is not a part 🙂

mrmichaelwright - Member

mk1fan - Member

If it's relgious based is it xenophobia not racism?

in this case i think it's just NIMBYism

touche

[i]There was dislike of the traditions and ways we brought with us when we expanded empire [/i]

Yeah, cos that's the same 😕

In Cairo there is a campaign to get rid of all the different muezzins calling people to prayer from the loudspeakers in their respective minarets and replace them with one coordinated broadcast of the call to prayer. This is because all the thousands of different calls to the different mosques, some live, some recorded, all at slightly different times and the competitions between respective muezzins as to who can call the loudest are creating an annoying noise pollution in the city. So they don't even like the noise themselves sometimes. But as people have said, if we can ring church bells etc, then singling out some similarly purposed but culturally different noise as unacceptable does smack of intolerance based on race/culture/creed.

In a city, there are much worse and more annoying sounds than a call to prayer. I think you need to chill.

since when is "thats a horrible noise" a racist comment?

now if you had written.

"those d***** m** f****'* w** t i*********** p** s g o* * all the f***** time"
that could be considered racist

grynch - Member

who am I to say?.. me?.. I'm a yank.. *L*

BURN HIM!!!

i had a class last week and we talked about the whole minaret/switzerland thing and the majority of the people agreed with the result (this is a class in germany). but, as one guy said, if they were to hold the ballot anywhere else in europe, do you think the result would be any different?

i'd vote for a NO against the building of minarets. but, i'd also vote NO to the future building of any religious building (other than the one the Dalai Lama follows, he's cool).

and as grynch said, the tolling of the bells every hour. i live about 50 yards from a bell tower. DONG DONG DONG DONG DONG DONG DONG DONG DONG DONG DONG DONG!!!! I know it's 12 o'clock; i've got a watch. and there is no love in the tolling. at least with anglican churches they give you a nice tune before hand DING DONG DONG DING, DING DONG DONG DONG, followed by DING DING DING DING DING DING DING DING. here it's just DING DING DING DING, DONG DONG DONG DONG DONG DONG DONG DONG.

but, as said above, do you really think the authorities would be tolerant of church bells in Tunisia, Ridyah or Mashad?

The Gypos by me keep driving round and round with their horn going to entice any scrap metal into their filthy untaxed uninsured truck. It p1553s me off.
We thankfully dont have any noisy Muzzers round my way, so I cant really complain about them. Although the kids soccer team on the field is a bit noisy.

For christs sake scruff, tell me you're just trying to be ironic.

alpin - Member

grynch - Member

who am I to say?.. me?.. I'm a yank.. *L*

BURN HIM!!!

alpin?... I beg your pardon.. don'cha know you're speaking to a citizen of the greatest country on earth... our President just won the Nobel Peace Prize ya'know.

*ducking*

*here goes a whole 'nother argument*

i'm with scruff on this. used to phukin hate sunday footballers in the playing fields next to my house. gobby hairy arses and their shouty hangers on. give me a mosque anyday.

A Jehovah Gypo Witness ringing a bell while kicking a ball would be getting to about the lowest of the low.

what has racism got to do with Muslim bells anyway? you can be any colour, skin tone of whatever to be Muslim! what a pointless thread

MMW. Yes, very good point 🙂

CC.

In my nan's village in the pyrenees the church bells play the 'angelus' at 0730 and about 1930 every single day. Thi is essentially a call to prayer too and about not far off the mosques in terms of volume, length and 'insistence'! The locals like it (this is the kind of rural village where you might have been so poor you didn't own a watch or clock in the 20's and 30's) and the rich folk from Toulouse and Bordeaux with holiday homes want the bells stopped. The bells are still going. 😀

IIRC they banned the sounding of all church bells in the USSR, I forget if it was uinder Lenin or Stalin. It was a 'distraction' from the communist cause.

what has racism got to do with Muslim bells anyway? you can be any colour, skin tone of whatever to be Muslim! what a pointless thread

What a pointless post.

It's not about muslim bells its about mosque chanting and noise pollution. The OP doesn't even mention Muslim or bells.

I think he's got the wrong end of the stick

Anyway on the bright side the chants stopped a while ago and now i can hear a wood pigeon.

Now where's my gun? 😉

bomberman - if you'd followed up the post title with 'I think we should send them back to where they came from' or something along those lines, we could have all reared up and started flinging threats and accusations. As it is, I'm just left with a feeling of impotent rage. I am dissapointed, to say the least 😉

I'm not a racist but I quite like yoghurt.

I suffer with a lactose intolerance, and am deeply offended by your frankly dairyist remarks BigDummy!

If i remember the local to me (at the time) mosque applied for a license to broadcast the call to prayer over a loudspeaker.
It was refused on the grounds of noise pollution because it would be electrically amplified whereas the local church bells were not (something like that anyway).

I once stayed a couple of nights in Shah Alam (Malaysia).

Lovely place, but the hotel was pretty much opposite [URL= http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sultan_Salahuddin_Abdul_Aziz_Mosque ]the second largest mosque in South East Asia[/URL].

We didn't get a lot of sleep!

I'm sure if *insert chosen deity* were to be walking the earth now he'd be shaking his/her/its/their head and saying "Oh Me, why are they still using bells/chants/gongs/holy-trumpets when verily I have blessed them with alarm clocks and text messages"

I don't mind them ringing the church bells near us on Sunday mornings, because I'm up and out riding, but [i]Christmas Day[/i] for Christ's sake!!!

Broadcasting to the local inhabitants that "there is no God except Allah" via loadspeaker however many times a day is a tad devisive and bears no resemblance to Church Bells imo. Couple that with an ever-growing portion of UK-based Muslims pushing for Sharia and even the most steadfast Guardian loony should be concerned.

And we're talking religeon not race ffs

Most evening's I get young naked women dancing in the woods opposite worshipping whatever wica people worship. If other religions started doing this rather than dinging dongs or wailing, the world would be a lot nicer.

When I was working, we reached agreement with the local mosque to regulate the volume of calls to prayer - everyone seemed happy.

I think it's not uncommon now to do this?

The bell****ers are worse IMHO.....

Can I worship at your church Ian? 😀

enfht - Member
......... Couple that with an ever-growing portion of UK-based Muslims pushing for Sharia and even the most steadfast Guardian loony should be concerned.

And your evidence for this particular piece of [i]racist[/i] claptrap

how about if i let the naked women ding my dong?

HOOORAY

TJ's here, and i've just got a fresh cup of coffee and the cakes have arrived

TJs not well and can't be bothered.

I did read the thread and most of it is simply nimbyism of the daily wail sort.

Just enfit had to go beyond good old british moaning with his paranoid fantasies

TandemJeremy - Member

And your evidence for this particular piece of racist claptrap

I thought I'd google "UK Sharia" to see what it comes up with, maybe you should have done the same before your post.

RE: Church spires

[url= http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&safe=off&q=st+charles+glasgow+church&ie=UTF8&hq=st+charles+glasgow+church&hnear=Clydebank,+UK&ll=55.879598,-4.277661&spn=0,359.890137&t=h&z=14&layer=c&cbll=55.879571,-4.277313&panoid=hjFmyPUOjSbqROUqzDpu0Q&cbp=12,168.46,,0,5.11 ]This[/url] is a horrific looking church in Glasgow.

Look up and see the horrid spire/tower thing they have going on 😐

i googled it, the first thing that came up was an article about Mr Bean saying it was unavoidable.

nowhere in the article did he state that we should all build anderson shelters in our garden and prepare to invade the entire middle east

TJ only you resort to personal attacks and when ffs will you stop confusing race and religeon.

So I'm paranoid by stating FACTS. ho hum

I do have fantasies but none include anything related to this thread.

EDIT: Correction, they may indeed include naked women dancing in the woods

Where are your facts then? Facts - not the wofflings of another religious zealot or paranoid fantasies from the far right. We already have religous courts in the UK - Judasim and Catholics have them along with non religious ones suvh as the BMA

Hatred of Islamics is racism by generally accepted definitions.

You have much previous on this for being a racist

IF I were racist I would quite rightly be banned from the forum.

TJ you need to disable your Left-wing filter in Google and look again my blinkered friend.