[Closed] Mountain Mayhem 2014

No, we are not going as a group this year. We have entered two or three teams and a few occasional soloists for the past 8 years or so. Same reasons as you - course, venue, no camping in centre of course robs a lot of atmosphere and it is more difficult for us to get to. Interestingly we all had pretty much made the decision individually before even talking about it as a group and i was quite relieved I wasn't the only one who was not going to enter.

For some reason they've restricted the entries this year too, not sure what that's all about.

What do you mean? Entries have always been limited, and used to sell out on day 1, last couple of years it's not filled up.

I didn't really enjoy Gatcombe Park, but I'm prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt and hopefully the improvements will be worth it. Sure I'd read they're doing trackside camping etc, I agree the atmosphere was lacking last year.

I've not done MM before but a group of us are doing it this year instead of our usual pilgrimage to the bonty twentyfour12. As you mentioned about your experiences with last years mayhem, we thought the atmosphere at the bonty last year was non existent. Shame really as we've done every year since they moved to newnham park and it's got progressively more dull.
Hopefully it's not the way the 24hr events are going. 🙁

we thought the atmosphere at the bonty last year was non existent.

Oh.. as a MM regular for many years, I did twentyfour12 instead last year, and the whole experience was a million times better than any mayhem!

Have fun 😉

What ciderinsport said...

Atmosphere at Mayhem has got progressively more lacking year on year, the move to Gatcombe didn't help that either sadly. 24/12 is a much smaller event, but it makes up for it with a much better atmosphere, and a vastly more interesting course.

Another one on the "can't really be arsed with mayhem" list this year I'm afraid. With the number of half decent 6/8/12 hour Enduro events cropping up all over the place, and the pretty epic demise of events like Mayhem and SITS, you've got to conclude that the big 24hr events have had their day, and people are moving on for various reasons.

For anybody moaning that Mayhem is too far South now, my advice is thus... Enter Bonty 24/12, book the Thursday and Friday before and Monday/Tues/Weds after off work, and make a weeks holiday of it, going home via North Devon and Somerset over a few days, making a mini break of it. Yes, Newnham Park is bloody miles away from most of the uk, but it's a great course, a great event, and if you're not constrained by work commitments either side of the weekend you can enjoy getting down there and coming home over a few days.

Also given up on mayhem. I wasn't going to go last year either, but thought I'd give the new venue a go. Wish I hadn't bothered. Already entered 24/12 and will be doing the Erlestoke 12 and torq/gorrick events as well.

We might have been to a different Mayhem last year.

The camping on average was a lot closer than at Eastnor. Soloists could camp trackside at the start of the lap.

This year they are going to have some trackside camping which should improve the atmosphere but to be honest for me it was largely similar - It's nice to ride through the campsite but it's a small part of the lap.

For the first year at a new venue I thought it was pretty good - this year should be better as lessons are learned etc

I'll be there as a 4 and with 3 other teams as well.

Another no to this years MM here, have done the last 8 and I didn't enjoy last years event much. There was no real reward on the course as most of the downhill was fireroad and with no trackside camping a distinct lack of atmosphere too. What has happened to 24hr DJ's and people dressed in gorilla suits wandering through the woods at 24hr events, the jump of doom and the blow up dolls lining the course, marshalls shouting encouragement throughout the event etc - all things that I have experienced at Eastnor in the past (admittedly they have not been present at the last couple) seem to be distinctley lacking and used to add to the fun and atmosphere of the event.

I enjoyed last year as previous ones i've been too,

This year taking a team of 10, including a few mayhem virgins. Its never really been about a top quality course or the campsite but about having a great time with mates at a lighthearted event.

If it was i'd go for a weekend in scotland at a proper campsite. Compromises need to be met for an event. I personally thought the course was good for what it was a 24hr race. The campsite was what it is at all events a field.

Gash course - not doing it
bring back Eastnor

This is the first year since the very fitst ever MM that as a group we have made the concious decision not do the race. In other years there have been clashes etc that have prevented us, but this is the first time the course, location and cost has made us think no.

Shame really.

Some quick news.

This year..

Much of the course run in reverse to how it was run last year.
As was explained by the organisers last year, trackside camping wasn't possible for complicated land usage reasons. This year that's been sorted. Trackside camping is being made available.

Is it the ridiculous climbs (to mere mortals) that have been reversed 🙂

Mark - Im not convinced thats a selling point unfortunately. You cant get away from the fact that its all one steep hill side, which means steep up to steep down, to steep up to steep down... get my drift.

Good for practicing walking skillz up hill whilst pushing bikes (and that was the leaders too, not just crap people)

The problem is its all fire road.
Unless they have cut some decent singletrack it will be just as rubbish as last year. But they probably wont be allowed to do this for fear of more swamp like conditions.

Personally I preferred (only slightly) Eastnor bog trotting to Gatcombe zzzzzzzzz.

At least at Eastnor you new if you did get nice weather it would be ace - and it was worth the entry for this reason alone.

I think slagging off an event in its first year at a new venue is a bit off - I'm sure they had to convince the powers that be that the event wasn't going to trash the place and they only had a limited amount of land to play with initially.

Sounds like they've succeeded in proving the event is worth having there and come to some sort of arrangement about opening up extra bits of land. And the event is always going to involve compromise - it has to deal with everyone from Elites to first timers, allow overtaking, have reasonable drainage etc and the venue has to be easily accessible for every type of vehicle, have space for hundreds of tents, motorhomes, cars... Kind of limited options there.

That said, I can see how the event loses it's appeal after a while - I did the first 8 or so MMs right from Year 1 and each year it got harder to convince friends/team-mates etc that it was worth doing. I don't race them anymore but I often go down to pit-bitch for friends. Might be tempted to get back into it again but the problem with doing that is I'd want to do well and that would involve training...

Turning the course round and adding trackside camping isn't going to make it any more all weather though is it. A bit of rain the night before and the whole course turned into a complete claggfest.

Aww, I was looking forward to the challenge of riding up that grassy slope this year, I thought the course was ok, track side camping will be good, if Wiggle actually bring a component you can buy it'd be even better. Hoping for less wind this year!

As for the mud moaners, did you not ride the last Eastnor mudfest? anyway mtb'd are allowed in mud you know, this winter has been the ideal training for it

If we can round up the bodies we'll be going. Seemed a bit more low key last year in some ways but I quite liked that. And I really don't think the climbs were that much worse than those at Eastnor.

As rocketdog says, if you think that course was a claggfest then you have clearly been riding under the protection of better deities than me 🙂

And hey, if there wasn't moaning about the course, camping, stands, weather, wheel sizes, condiment provision and the colour of the course tape then it wouldn't be Mayhem.

Went last year and have done a couple at Eastnor, found atmosphere lacking and courses disappointing.
Gatcombe did nothing for me and the cost compared to similar events is far too steep. I won't be going back in a hurry.

After the demise of Sleepless I decided to give Bontrager 24/12 a shot and found the whole set up was a lot better.
It's a long way to drive for a race but as mentioned by others it is worth making a holiday of it and exploring Devon.

I'd just like to add, last year at Gatcombe, in the Marshall's defence (Votchy) a pair of young ladies were particularly vocal in their encouragement! Last climby bit if I recollect. Not too bad for us at new venue

Slight hijack - What is the course like at the new venue? I remember thinking the old course was as boring as watching paint dry.

I'm thinking of going, solo if my lot can't get their act together.
I did loads from 2000 on, then one day minutes before the start I just couldn't be bothered. I recognised it was me that had gone stale not the event.
I sat there listening to the rain starting to fall and became full of dread, yet the first timers were all full of joy.

I was thinking that all events seem to be a bit miserable these days, people I reckon.

Knowing what Gatcombe can be like in places, I thought the course was very good last year.
Nice difficult climbs, fast open bits & didn't get anywhere near as sticky as it could have done!

I did think it was lacking a bit of atmosphere, but that could easily have been down to the layout with the new venue & needed tweaking.
Having said all that, I'm not riding this year as I'm working 🙁
Only the 2nd one in 12 years I won't have been to

who's in then?
I'm entering in a team of 4.
first ever 24hr race.

first race since I was in my teens in the 90s on the Eston Hills - back when you did an XC race and a DH race on the same bike!

Also given up on mayhem. We weren't going to go last year either, but thought we'd give the new venue a go and wish we hadn't bothered. (Did like the early descent though, stood there for a few hours watching lots making a mess of it...) Going to give the Erlestoke 12 a go... Would have done the torq, but the wife/kids have other ideas!

Still undecided....

I'm in..was at Pats at daft o clock last night.First ever solo race. Did 2012 and 2013 as a team of 4. Enjoyed both...will be nice to have more trackside camping for the atmosphere.

In a strange sort of way I found solo "easier" than as a team, less pressure if you know what I mean, just got to keep going, keep eating and drinking, rest as little as possible, and reduced the intensity etc.
No team mates to worry about.
Just one man and his machine for one day!
The way I looked at it was that was able to ride my bike as much as I wanted for a whole day! Who doesn't enjoy that....
I might enter it again now....:)

I'm not at all motivated this year.

Did team of 10 last year but apathy rules and in general we have nobody looking keen. If some of my buddies get excited about it I am persuadable but I am not going to organise it because I don't care.

It was a bit of a clag fest, there wasn't the atmosphere that you might like, there weren't enough bike washes and the course was a bit rubbish.

Slight tangent here.

A lot of the 'endurance' events seem to be disappearing, there are certainly fewer now than there used to be.

Could it be that the 'epic' endurance race is drinking in the last chance saloon? I may be wrong but they do seem to be selling the same old, same old, year after year and tbh, it does get a little boring. Change of venue is not necessarily enough. After a few hours, one stretch of fire road/ singletrack is very much like another and chugging round in traffic for 24 hours is sort of dull.

I don't have any bright ideas about how to spice up the whole experience but there again, I'm not a race promoter.

Slowjo,

Events like Mayhem are just getting too expensive to draw the crowds I think.
£80 for a solo entry? Take a hike.

Bonty 24/12 had a far more exciting course and a great atmosphere and was only £55.

24hr events seem to be reducing in numbers (another recession victim maybe?) but there are still a good number of 12hr events still attracting the crowds such as Erlestoke, Torq, Dusk ' Dawn and the Thetford Summer Enduro (alright, that last one is only 10 hours!).

I think the organisers of the Exposure 24 are involved in that XCaliber stage race nonsense this year, which at £1800 doesn't appeal to me or many others I expect.

@gringojimi agreed but tbh what sort of progression have you seen in any of these events? Stick a crowd in a field and let them chug round venue x for a while. Relieve them of large mounts of cash and repeat year after year. D2D for example has hardly changed since Ken Ward put the first one on back in the mists of time. I tell a lie, it is in October now and often wet and nasty whereas the old one used to be late summer and generally awesome!

Not getting at D2D organisers here, just using it as an example of a race I have participated in on and off, since it first started.

To summarise then: the format is no longer as fresh as it used to be. The cost is edging towards prohibitive in some cases, just expensive in others. Hardly a recipe for enduring success is it?

Dusk 'til Dawn is a tricky one for me as it's a 'home race' seeing as it's just down the road.

Parts of the course have usually been used in other local race series or during a weekend slog round Thetford, so the feeling of monotony has usually sunk in before I've reached the start line.

Its true that any endurance race consisting of repeat laps is going to have that sense of repetition when you've been going round and round in circles for hours on end, but that's part of the challenge; to switch off and zone out 😉

Some courses have certain parts that never get boring though and give you something to look forward to no matter how many times you've slogged round. It all depends if the organiser is doing it as they have a passion for the event or are just in it to make a quick buck.

Couple of hours to go until online.

Team of 10 this year for me too sort.

Looking forward to it.

Interesting concept, having a passion for an event. From an organisational pov, I wonder how that manifests itself for the riders.

It would be interesting to hear whether riders could identify whether races they have entered have been put on by a 'passionate' organisational team, or one where the sole objective is relieving peeps of their 'hard earned'.

Maybe some form of feedback questionnaire would help organisers find out what riders really think of their events instead of finding out next year when they vote with their feet. Forms to be returned no sooner than a month after (so the endorphin buzz will have subsided). A free entry for the first form drawn out of the hat before the race.

Silly idea really, asking punters what they want 😉

Was going to enter a 4man team but after seeing the prices decided on doing 24/12 instead.

For me mountain mayhem has got far too costly.

Silly idea really, asking punters what they want

forums such as this probably provide a reasonable perspective - at least about what was wrong with the event.

Entering 4 man team, with all the moaners not turning up we might win!

In. Solo.

Entered last year for the first time since 2007,it was ok but didn't fancy doing it again this year.Might have a look next year if they sort the course out.

'passionate' organisational team

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IN (10 Man Team)

IN also - 4 man team.

Did D2D last year in a 3. This will be our first 24 hour event, and interested to see how is plays out!

Went for the first time last year as part of a Sport Mixed team of 5, and everyone enjoyed it. One guy had been twice before but the rest of us were noobs. It didn't take much (any) persuading to get the team back for another crack at it this year.

I thought the atmosphere and craic were great last year, I guess it depends who you are with and their attitudes as well as the what the organisers and sponsors can muster up.

Might have a look next year if they sort the course out.

They have been saying they will since the first one. 😉

IN: Solo

First time solo and only second ever Mayhem - first one was the mudbath, quagmire of 2012 at Eastnor, so this year should be easy.

One thing is for sure, I wont be challenging the top 10!

Would be nice if there was a bit of techy or fun sections but tbh its the overall challenge I am going for, and no doubt it will be!

Mixed team of 5 for me - looking forward to it!

My first Mayhem was in 2012 and quite franky nothing can be as bad as that (it had become my benchmark for muddy non-enjoyable mtb rides) - anything else is going to be great!!

CBA to enter, if the weather is incredible in the run up to it I'll see if I can blag a ride with a random team!

Not sure what's going on with the entry process.....
I sure they said the solo category was full pretty soon after it opend so I went ahead and entered other evens around that time, booked time off work, made plans etc etc and now they are saying its not full and there are still places available. Don't get it....unless it was some kind of plan to make people panic int entering, hasn't worked in my case...
Still undecided by the way...£75....

So as a first 24hr solo it's not to be reccomended? Reading between the lines it's steep enough to have to walk and not very interesting?

I'm going along, it'll be my 5th Mayhem on the trot but first as a solo, usually been in a team of 4, but as they've dispersed to various parts of the globe for the summer it's all down to me.

Personally I can't wait as I really enjoyed it last year, coming 16th in Open male probably helped with that though

Reading between the lines it's steep enough to have to walk and not very interesting?

Last year was the first time at the venue, and there were some very steep hils, and a lot of muddy fireroad descending.

This year they've been given a little more free rein to build, and with any luck they'll make the climbs rideable for mere mortals!

Personally I can't wait as I really enjoyed it last year, coming 16th in Open male probably helped with that though

We came 2nd in Open male, but I wouldn't say I enjoyed it hugely 😉

To be honest, after the utter slog fest that was Eastnor '12 anything was enjoyable

New course for 2014:
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Old course for reference:
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"There might still be a few minor adjustments, but this is pretty much how it will be in 2014. We have included last year's course here as well so you can see the difference, but in a nutshell, this is what you'll get:

20% less climbing overall
trackside camping
loads more viewing points for spectators
clockwise circuit

Much more to keep everyone happy we feel!"

I think I'm happy because there is less (hard) climbing but a bit disappointed I can't measure myself against my performance last year.

Discuss...

Pretty much the same amount of climbing but without that stupid big ass grassy hill - can't be a bad thing especially if it rains

It looks sufficiently different to keep it interesting compared to last year - I was worried the course would be just like last year, but in reverse. We won't know how good it actually is until the day.

I think their elevation graph might be wrong. Last year we started at the highest point on the course, this year it looks like the start is in the same place but this time it is the lowest point on the course? I think they might have started that graph in the wrong location.

I must admit I was struggling to get my head around that elevation graph, quite tempted to draw out the new route just to see if it is right.

Liking the new route and elevation. Looks better for solo riders too 🙂

I've traced roughly the new course and my elevation looks somewhat different. Obviously my tracing is quite rough and actually turned out a bit shorter as it cuts corners...

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Yes, I was bored.

That looks like the old, not the new route...

Do we actually know how much ascent in metres there is this year? Their (wonky?) graphs show 353m this year and 336m last year. How does an increase of 17m equal 20% less climbing overall this year? But then, if the graphs are wrong...

jaymoid, in your rough re-drawing, how much elevation do you get? btw, if you're bored, perhaps you'd kindly redraw it with more accuracy? 😉

This years has 336m climbing - Jaymoid's links seem to be the wrong way round.

[i]Less[/i] climbing? Christ, last year the climbs were the only place that seemed to separate the riders out. Making it easier won't help.

Sorry - yes the embiggen links are the wrong way around! I noticed after the edit window 🙁 - check the URL for the truth.

@Cakefest.
From bikehike:
Total Ascent: 305m
Total Descent: 305m
Start Elevation: 180m
End Elevation: 180m Elevation
Min Elevation: 92m Gradient
Max Elevation: 189m

The course layout from the picture MM have posted is on an angle, so it's hard to trace it on a top down and get it any more accurate. Also they said there might be some minor adjustments.

Doesn't seem to be 20% less either way. Not that the quantity of climbing was the issue, more the vertiginous nature of those climbs!

Looks like they've done a lot of work though, still hoping the weather's good and I'll try and blag a ride!

Njee, I agree. Thinking back to last year one of the things that made it tough was how steep the climbs were, yes they were short but boy they were steep! Looking at the 2014 profile from MM there are still some ultra steep segments in there, and the avg. slope is virtually the same.

Not really seeing much difference yet. Climbing training, here I come.

For what it's worth, MM have just confirmed that the elevation isn't started from the start (like their 2013 course is), my guess is that it's started from somewhere low down near the lake as it's about 120m-ish.

(source: their facebook page

So it looks like it's all the descending in the first half of the lap, then all the climbing in the second half. Not ideal, but hard to avoid when the arena's at the top of the course I guess.

Couldn't resist it. Been debating entering for a month or so but finally decided to go for it again, solo of course
See you all there!

Done the last eight years as a solo but encouraged by the missus to enter as a team this year due to recent illness. Team of five it is.

...quite a few of my riding mates have declined to return though, they've had enough.

Still wonder whether as an event it would work as a two-year on two year off rotation with Gatcombe and Eastnor to keep the riders engaged and allow the venue to rest.

As said above last years grassy climb, cobbled climb and that mud fest climb in the woods were all a bit silly for mere mortals.

As said above last years grassy climb, cobbled climb and that mud fest climb in the woods were all a bit silly for mere mortals.

Last year was my first, and I got the feeling from early on that the course setters had got a bit carried away with the new venue. By the look of the profile, they have listened to us ordinary mortals and hopefully the course will be a lot more rideable.

Back with a 10 person 'fun' team.

Had it stayed dry I don't think last years course would been half as bad,but it's Mayhem.......it hardly ever stays dry !

Not regretting not entering this year... 🙂

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So there was another thread!

Too soon to start celebrating the lack of rain I reckon, and if it does rain I'm blaming you for the undoubted mud-bath! 🙂

Maps are up:
http://www.wigglemountainmayhem.com/venue/wiggle-mountain-mayhem-2014-maps/

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Are the orange bits on the map Strava segments?

I thought they made a big thing of the trackside camping this year? Looks similar to last year isn't it?

Still tempted to try and find a team if the weather does look that good in the days before!

Are there Osprey's at the lake?

I might fancy a bit of twitching half way around? 🙂

Are the orange bits on the map Strava segments?

No sponsered sections,

Strava segments will be all over the place by friday afternoon.

I thought they made a big thing of the trackside camping this year? Looks similar to last year isn't it?

+1

Coming down from north yorkshire, i'll have no chance of being near the track.