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Nice roof, although I am extremely unconvinced about his understanding of moisture transfer through the building envelope. I would be very concerned about the longevity of the straw/ straw bales in the roof and floor.
There's some very nice round houses at Findhorn if they're your thing.
That is a truly inspiring looking home... very errr.... gnomic
+1 AP.
This will be prone to damp & rot and infestations. It's a fine idea but will cause a lot of heartache through needing constant maintenance I reckon.
lord of the rings Hobbit house !
Hehe, I loved their "plans" haha, oh how I laughed. Still, better than some architects drawings I get to see.
Straw doesn't retain moisture/attract vermin like hay.
Thatched roofs last upto 50 years and they're in direct contact with the elements.
Seen it before, and really like it. Would love to live somewhere like that, also really like the one [url= http://www.channel4.com/4homes/on-tv/grand-designs/episode-guides/sussex-the-woodmans-cottage-08-05-15_p_1.html ]Ben Law made on Grand Designs[/url].
KT1972 do you think they need a gap and something breathable to keep it dry (well, not too damp)? You get modern houses with subterranean living spaces don't you?
I can't understand why anyone would want to build anything so ugly, inconvenient, damp, and old-fashioned. There are some amazing modern buildings these days, and maybe if he'd employed an architect he could have had a beautiful glass, steel and concrete structure.
I can't understand why anyone would want to build anything so ugly, inconvenient, damp, and old-fashioned. There are some amazing modern buildings these days, and maybe if he'd employed an architect he could have had a beautiful glass, steel and concrete structure.
For 3 grand!
Well if you only spend 3 grand then no wonder you get just a dump that no-one in their right mind would live in.
Lady Gresley - Member
Well if you only spend 3 grand then no wonder you get just a dump that no-one in their right mind would live in.
Beauty = Eye of beholder.
This will be prone to damp & rot and infestations. It's a fine idea but will cause a lot of heartache through needing constant maintenance I reckon.
I guess living in a place like this is all about maintenance and upkeep - it's a lifestyle rather than simply a house. For us, with regular jobs means that we are short on time and therefore we want minimum fuss/maintenance. If you've got a lifestyle where you are to a large extent self sufficient (would any of us do our jobs if we didn't have to pay rent/mortgage - I'd certainly reconsider)
FWIW I like it - especially their new project.
FWIW I like it - especially their new project.
+1
I'm sure Lady Gresley is being sarcastic ;-D
I think it looks great!
FFS why does everyone think living in old fashioned buildings is a good thing - move on people we're in the 21st century!
FFS why does everyone think living in old fashioned buildings is a good thing - move on people we're in the 21st century!
Some people find older properties aesthetically pleasing and restoring or renovating older properties lessens the massive carbon footprint of the property development industry. Added to this is the statistic that 40% of UK landfill is builders waste making it a highly unsustainable enterprise to boot.
Old is nicer, old is greener, old is for the future.
didnt even know about this new eco development and its only about 30 mins from where I live!
FFS why can't some people understand that some people might want something different to themselves?
[i]FFS why can't some people understand that some people might want something different to themselves?[/i]
That's my point exactly - everyone thinks old and twee is good - be brave and build something modern!!
Good grief what a stupid idea, building something that wouldnt work for societies needs, probably done by some old hobbit living on mine and yours taxes. Who can claim it's cheap if I had to put in 1500 hours it would take me years of spare time. 1500 hours in fact is more hours than the average persons working year.
If everyone was to disapear into the hills and dig holes to live in the countryside would soon be ****ed.
Dales_rider, I agree with all you say!! And yes, I bet they are living on our taxes. It's a complete load of bollocks.
If everyone was to disapear into the hills and dig holes to live in the countryside would soon be ****.
Maybe. Not seen too many of these myself though 😉 If you read the page, I believe the bloke building it wanted time out to raise his kids when they were young. Perhaps they'll grow up to be very well adjusted people, ergo something definitely in societies interests. Of course, they might just grow up to be hobbitses... I met some people doing a similar thing in Australia. Their kids were extremely confident, happy and independent, go figure...
[i]Their kids were extremely confident, happy and independent[/i]
Otherwise translated as arrogant little shits - I know that sort 🙄
I love it ! ....... it's ****ing gorgeous ! 8)
Although sod going for walks near where he lives.....
[i]"It was built by myself and my father in law with help from passers by "[/i]
Jeez..take a chill pill lady gaga....
I met some people doing a similar thing in Australia. Their kids were extremely confident, happy and independent, go figure...
Well as far as trusting an Aussie as to the state of hapiness of anyone and especialy their treatment of people [Aborigines] who just want to live in a natural low energy environment.
Gobby kids from parents with attitude
Wow I thought I was angry and bitter. God there are some weird people on internet forums.
No idea how practical it is, but it looks fantastic to me.
Dalesrider, you are perhaps not aware that Australians are no homogenised mass. Some are backward idiots, some not. And as a brit making a statement blaming all Aussies for government actions, you're on EXTREMELY shaky ground 🙄
Gobby, no, arrogant no, just well adjusted kids enjoying more freedom than most.
So the goverment of Australia are not australian or voted for by the Australians ?
Most are descendants of convicts or ones who couldnt make it in there own country. The Genes will out.
Why is the sofa pointing to the fire & not the telly?
Three grand?
You could have a couple of shipping containers for that! 😀
I like their new house
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Lady Gresley - MemberDales_rider, I agree with all you say!! And yes, I bet they are living on our taxes. It's a complete load of bollocks.
How much?
Otherwise translated as arrogant little shits - I know that sort
You're either a genius troll or a f***wit.
he could have had a beautiful glass, steel and concrete structure.
Yes, he could, complete with all the carcinogens that are in modern buildings.
Lady G - I'm glad you've noticed it's the 21st century, what a shame your thinking hasn't caught up. Sustainable living IS the future, sourcing your food locally and living in houses that are require few resources to create, maintain and heat.
Lady G destroying an eco home earlier today.
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I love it. Still would love to try something like that. Bugger all chance of getting my mob to live in it though.
Wonder how easy planning permission was 🙂
Maybe I read too many Domebooks in my youth.
Wonder how easy planning permission was
sounds like they don't apply for permission - just do it and hope that no one complains - after a period of time permission is automatically granted...
so the future relies on glass and concrete, this would be float glass i assume? have you seen the energy used in the manufacture of such stuff? i assume you are behind the runway at Heathrow, out of town shopping centres, etc.
Sorry but this might not be the future as you want it to be, but the future most seem to want isn't much of a future either. The world has only so much energy to offer in the ways we can use it, yes we can make use of it in other ways but that costs money. You think fuel is expensive now, i don't think we have seen anything yet.
Yes, he could, complete with all the carcinogens that are in modern buildings.Lady G - I'm glad you've noticed it's the 21st century, what a shame your thinking hasn't caught up. Sustainable living IS the future, sourcing your food locally and living in houses that are require few resources to create, maintain and heat.
So how are all the city dwellers going to do this ? Get real for FS its the 21st century as Lady G pointed out. If the entire population did this in the UK we would have a patch 4 x 4 Metres.
The world has only so much energy to offer
Energy cant be destroyed we will always have the same amount.
If houses only cost £5,000 to build it wouldn't matter if they didn't last 1,000 years or even 10
Energy cant be destroyed we will always have the same amount.
you're right. however, for energy to be in a form that we can use with current technology, it's got to be in fossil fuels.
Here's a fact:
The fossil fuels we use each year took the earth 3 million years to make. it doesnt take a rocket scientist to work out that if we use a resource 3 million times quick than it can be produced, we're in trouble.
While the guys who built this house are an extreme, it does show a number of things everyone can adopt which might help slow our march towards an energy crisis, and may buy us some time while we figure out some alternative energy sources.
Besides ignoring the obvious fact that we would need to chop down every tree in the country to do what the selfish person did by building a house without planning permission.
and ignoring the man hours put into it
and having the climate and land to grow all our own food
How are we to achieve this utopia which is using a housing system from when the UK had a population of less than 1 million, and its now 61 million.
Lovely day outside.
Proper first day of spring!
Dales_rider
and how do we house, feed and employ 61 million people? what happens when petrol is £2 a litre? what happens when the power-stations we haven't bothered to replace have to be switched off?
A lot of whats ifs and buts.
How much energy does it take to raise a cow? how much fish protein to raise a salmon? There are a lot of issues, this might not be the right thing. But the way this country does/doesn't function is not a good way either. We are told house prices are high because we don't build enough, yet you can't build a house because you will almost certainly be in breach of planning or subject to NIMBYs
It's a pretty old school house really.
I like it, it's not a solution to housing in the 21st century but as a nice little diversion it's cool.
I couldn't sleep in the same room as my kids though..
Lovely day outside.
Proper first day of spring!
A sensible post 😀
Ive got my onions spuds in tomatoes are coming on nicely as are the cabbages. Asparagus is sprouting already garlics doing well and we have fresh parsley to use. Strawberries are weeded and new runners planted in.
Hope the weather this week doesnt **** it all up
[i]i assume you are behind the runway at Heathrow, out of town shopping centres,[/i]
And why shouldn't people fly off on holiday if they want to? Most people spend all year slaving away to earn enough to go to some exotic place. In fact, I've even heard that some mountain bikers fly to foreign countries just to ride their bikes, when they could actually just open their front doors and ride a bike.
I thought about buying some woodland and building a house as a series of rooms on stilts, going up and up through the trees so that there were a couple of living rooms level with the top of the canopy... so you could look out over the treetops and get full sunshine from all directions... The treetops would be full of squirrels and birds and stuff - cool.
You'd have to make sure the trees didn't grow up though to plunge your living room into darkness.
The treetops would be full of squirrels and birds and stuff - cool.
They'd shit eveery where
Molgrips - That would be pretty awesome!
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Dales_rider - Member........... building a house without planning permission.
😕 How do you know he didn't have planning permission ?
He certainly claims to have on the second house which he is working on now :
[b][i]"After being granted Planning Permission at the end of August 2009, we moved immediately onto the land and have since been working on a first dwelling. "[/i][/b]
You naysayers about damp/rot/infestation need to go see some proper old houses - 100+ year old straw buildings, Tudor buildings, the Scottish Longhouse up the road from me and then consider if damp/rot/infestation is that big a deal if the building is detailed right.
I think that sealing buildings up like plastic bags (as we currently usually do in the UK) is far, far worse.
Totally agree with Lady Gresley, what a waste of wood and skill, cant we get away from thes sily and under engineered tree houses, what we need is shelter and warmth,not some overgriown triffid fantasy.
We are now at the begining of 2010, and things need to be more modern and adaptable for this decade.
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I thought about buying some woodland and building a house as a series of rooms on stilts, going up and up through the trees so that there were a couple of living rooms level with the top of the canopy... so you could look out over the treetops and get full sunshine from all directions... The treetops would be full of squirrels and birds and stuff - cool.
You'd have to make sure the trees didn't grow up though to plunge your living room into darkness.
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You hopefully wouldnt get planning permission, for such a folly, and the suirrels would eat your nuts at christmas.
And you know what else bugs me? All these people saying how good this house is and how eco friendly, are no doubt the ones who think nothing of putting a bike in a car to go for a bike ride - how is that eco friendly??
We are now at the begining of 2010, and things need to be more modern ......
Nonsense. I want to live like Fred Flintstone.
I think that sealing buildings up like plastic bags (as we currently usually do in the UK) is far, far worse.
Yeah I didn't realise that til recently. We use brute-force to drive the moisture out, but traditionaly houses were designed to breathe.
How practical are these "eco houses"? Is there enough hills to house everyone in the country. Are they really low impact? What about the wildlife that would be displaced?
[i]All these people saying how good this house is and how eco friendly, are no doubt the ones who think nothing of putting a bike in a car to go for a bike ride - how is that eco friendly??[/i]
Did you need to form that prejudice to prop up your world view, or was it just an added bonus? 😉
Lady Gresley - MemberAnd you know what else bugs me? All these people saying how good this house is and how eco friendly, are no doubt the ones who think nothing of putting a bike in a car to go for a bike ride - how is that eco friendly??
I think you need to change your username to "Queen Assumption"
How practical are these "eco houses"? Is there enough hills to house everyone in the country. Are they really low impact? What about the wildlife that would be displaced?
At last some one reading between the lines, all the others who assume that you dont think like them that you are being negative.
Just being on the internet makes you un green and non eco friendly.
And if anyone thinks other wise they are fools
Probably the same people who do as Lady G says "think nothing of carrying a bike in a car"
Who's forcing this upon you?
Who's forcing this upon you?
Some southern W**ker
as note 'eco-houses' can be as crusty/beardy or as technological as you like.. i.e. you don't have to live like a damp crusty hobbit house if you don't want to (though think the house in the OP is great and having been in similar structures not damp or horrible).
each to is own. sure most would be preferable to crap general housing stock that is being thrown up around the county... in the UK we really do have the dullest aspirations for new houses... where an 'individual' design means that your bathroom window is in a slighly different location to your neighbours or you have a different colour roof tile... yawn
You Northerns! You're funny when you get upset
ooOOoo - MemberYou Northerns! You're funny when you get upset
Another assumption, I do love STW everyone assumes they know someone, and they are always right.
Part of the ethos of low impact is to cause as little disturbance to the environment as possible, and that includes wildlife. The houses are generally smaller so take up less space and permaculture gardening positively encourages wildlife. Compare that with a modern housing estate which is pretty much rendered sterile by acres of concrete, block paving and big look-at-how-much-money-I-earn houses.
Changes are coming, like it or not, so why not buy a ticket now and get a good seat rather than sulking and trying to ignore it, you'll just end up standing at the back, on tiptoe, trying to see what's going on.
You lead by example Dales.
Nicely put Karin. I really don't understand why people get so ferociously angry about others doing things like this.
Perhaps they think the future is Star Trek? Still waiting for their jet cars?
I think Dales rider's woman must have run away with a Southerner
I think people get angry for a number of reasons, guilt could be one of them.
In some ways though, the whole green thing has been portrayed as two polar opposites: either a straggle-haired, beardy, sandall-wearing hippy grubbing out a living or a gel-haired, sharp-suited executive drinking in expensive wine bars, whereas, in fact, there are lots of ways to reduce one's impact without turning into the former (unless you want to, of course).
A problem is that many societies measure worth by possessions, big house, big car, fancy watches, exotic holidays. Thus lower impact items and pursuits equate to a loser, an unsuccessful (and maybe even stupid) person.
Wow - unbelievable d!ckheads in here! I do hope they're trolling and attempting to be funny.
I think it is fabulous, and if all our homes (or a much greater number) were as light on the environment the world would be a nicer place. It's made of a few trees - how moronic to suggest that steel and glass might be better for the environment. Like it doesn't take any energy to make steel and glass!
If you like that kind of thing this is a great book [url= http://www.amazon.co.uk/Home-Work-Handbuilt-Lloyd-Kahn/dp/0936070331/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1269856586&sr=8-4 ]Home Work, Lloyd Khan[/url]
Lifer - MemberI think Dales rider's woman must have run away with a Southerner
Guessing again that I'm married. 😮
Any way back on track the whole eco concept is a non starter.
I for one where I live would never ever get planning permission.
The cost to the environment to demolish all the housing stock and rebuild it just is too much.
So we are back to one person Living in a house of their design and splendid isolation. A mere Utopia for the many 61 million in this country.
I didn't say 'wife'
I for one where I live would never ever get planning permission.
The cost to the environment to demolish all the housing stock and rebuild it just is too much.
i) Have you tried or are you just assuming 😉
ii) No-ones suggesting knocking everything down and starting again
I had to use matching stone to extend my house, even now trying to get permission to replace a garage. The downside of living in a national park.
Another is all the tossers on mountain bikes who will invade starting friday. 😉