CallMeDave should stop being such a breathtaking hypocrite and lay off Jimmy Carr. What Carr does legally with his own money is his business. Only yesterday, Cameron was publicly encouraging French people who didn’t want to pay tax in France to come and live here so that they could AVOID DOING SO.

Someone give him a bandage for the hole in his foot. Charge him VAT for it, mind…

Probably no more immoral than those who try to force shops to offer internet prices, eventually putting them out of business.
Or looking for excuses for not paying a speeding ticket.
Isn’t it something on the lines of he who casting the first stone?

coffeeking – Member

Is it immoral to follow the rules that apply to you and minimise your losses?

But you’re not paying your fair share – someone else has to pay that for you.

So in answer to your question, yes, receiving the benefits of UK tax expenditure without contributing, when you in a better position than most to do so, is immoral.

He’s been pretty withering about other people’s tax dealings in the past… But the personal hypocrisy is crap.

Which is why I hate Bono with a passion.

I have only ever heard Jimmy Carr tell jokes, and I have seen him a fair bit on the telly – I’ve even seen him live once. Since when has he been involved in a campaign against tax avoidance ?

I would be genuinely interested if someone could provide some sort of link. I’ve tried goggle but can’t find anything. I assume there must be some sort of basis to these allegations of hypocrisy, but I’ll be buggered if I can find anything 😕

Zulu does the tax position* of the Guardian media Group have any bearing on the accuracy of the report in the newspaper?
* are you claiming what they did was avoidance?

I am politley asking WTF your point is.

Is the truth of the article somehow related to their tax bill?

But you’re not paying your fair share – someone else has to pay that for you.

.. But if you pay more than your competitors you’ll go out of business because they’ll undercut you (admitedly this may not be the case with comedians, but my guess is they do not form a large proportion of those evading tax).

Morals only come into it in the sense that the government needs to sort it out. you can’t rely on morals as a means of tax collection.

I have only ever heard Jimmy Carr tell jokes, and I have seen him a fair bit on the telly – I’ve even seen him live once. Since when has he been involved in a campaign against tax avoidance ?

Wouldn’t it be a case of him doing sketches that point the finger at banks/corporations that reduce their tax bills as opposed to being involved in any specific campaign. I don’t see you pulling anything out to demonstrate he isn’t involved either, so I guess we’ll never know on that one.

What Carr does legally with his own money is his business

yeah they should just mind their own **** business and get on with setting tax rules and the laws of the country 😕

if he can dodge tax or anyone then good on em , i hate tax !

He did a skit on Barclay’s tax avoidance on some Channel 4 show, that is what irks.

EDIT: hadn’t realised already posted on previous page

Europe 1 reported Cameron has invited French people that fear paying our new sort-of-socialist goverement too much tax to take up residence in the UK. How morally right is that?

with so many people riding about on high horses someones bound to come a cropper.

That a richer than average ‘meeja’ type chose to take advantage of the loopholez available to them doesn’t really shock anymore than any MP or company MD/CEO…

Next….

J K Rowling pays full UK tax on her earnings and offshore’s nothing

She did this as she wrote her book on the dole and felt morally obliged to repay the investment

Some might say that she can afford to with her huge Harry Potter gravy train but at least she’s morally well placed when the karma train comes into town

.. But if you pay more than your competitors you’ll go out of business because they’ll undercut you

Not always true, in many cases its more to do with greed than the claimed competitiveness.

Sorry Edukator, I don’t think you need to worry, that won’t happen

TJ has been telling us for years that the Laffer curve is a right wing fantasy, and that if you increase taxes on high earners, they don’t just F off abroad.

FACT!

😉

at least tickets for his next tour will be cheaper.. yay!

Wouldn’t it be a case of him doing sketches that point the finger at banks/corporations that reduce their tax bills as opposed to being involved in any specific campaign. I don’t see you pulling anything out to demonstrate he isn’t involved either, so I guess we’ll never know on that one.

So he’s done some jokes about banks ? And that makes him a hypocrite ?

When Jimmy Carr tells jokes it’s to make a serious point ? I thought his jokes were about taking the piss, it never occurred to me that he was being serious. Which is probably how I’ll carry on interpreting it.

I don’t see you pulling anything out to demonstrate he isn’t involved either, so I guess we’ll never know on that one.

What’s that suppose to mean – that because I can’t prove that he was not opposed to tax avoidance we have to assume that he possibly was, and therefore that he is a hypocrite ? 😕

DP, sorry.

Morals only come into it in the sense that the government needs to sort it out.

That’s the most pathetic denial of responsibility I’ve heard in a while.
‘Yes, I did something completely immoral. Why wasn’t there someone to stop me?’

Which is probably how I’ll carry on interpreting it.

Carry on then…

It’s fascinating who you bump into doing their shopping in places along the north side of lake Geneva.

Amélie Mauresmo, Patricia Kaas, Phil Collins, Tina Turner, Richard Virenque, James Blunt, Michael Schumacher, Alain Prost, Jean Alesi, Sébastien Loeb, Alain Delon, Marie Laforêt, Johnny Hallyday, Charles Aznavour… .

Carry on then…

Thank you, I will.

And you carry in interpreting that comedians are making serious points when telling jokes. It wouldn’t do if everyone treated jokes as, well, just jokes. Obviously it’s no laughing matter. Don’t forget to whip yourself up into a froth of indignation if you detect any “hypocrisy” in any of their jokes.

“searches internet to see how JC is doing soo damnnn fine”

And you carry in interpreting that comedians are making serious points when telling jokes. It wouldn’t do if everyone treated jokes as, well, just jokes. Obviously it’s no laughing matter. Don’t forget to whip yourself up into a froth of indignation if you detect any “hypocrisy” in any of their jokes.

Kind of weird because I thought that comedians like Ben Elton and the like were using comedy to provide us with deeper messages, they were just comedians all along. Silly me.
For the purposes of accuracy where did I call him hypocritical, I just offered an example.

So Jimmy Carr is like Ben Elton is he ? Indeed are you saying most comedians are ? 😀

I can’t imagine two much more different comedians. One was politically correct to the point of boring, and the other one sometimes makes me cringe at his politically incorrectness, amusing as it invariably is.

So Jimmy Carr is like Ben Elton is he ?

Your words ernesto. Where the frigg do you get these ideas? You keep reading things into what other people say.
It’s like having a two year old in the house at times. Why? Why? Why? Why? You’re supposed to be a bit smarter than that, no?
Back to The Clash I think, I do like a nice little pop song to sing along to, no politics there, no siree… Can’t have a popular singer making political comments, can we?

Nice photo of Jimmy Carr on the BBC website

Is he auditioning for a job as a sex doll?

druidh – Member
Is he auditioning for a job as a sex doll?

I’m guessing you know better than us what one looks like…

Your words ernesto. Where the frigg do you get these ideas? You keep reading things into what other people say.

The question mark denotes a “question” DS. So I take it you can’t see a connection between the two. Where do I get these ideas from ? Well I take clues from what you post, eg :

“I thought that comedians like Ben Elton and the like were using comedy to provide us with deeper messages”

So why mention “Ben Elton and the like” if there is no connection with Jimmy Carr ?

Why? Why? Why? Why? You’re supposed to be a bit smarter than that, no?

No not really. I’m struggling.

No not really. I’m struggling.

Not often I agree with you ernesto, but I’m with you on this one.

So why mention “Ben Elton and the like” if there is no connection with Jimmy Carr ?

Do you really need that spelled out to you? TBH ernesto I really can’t be arsed, it’s like pulling teeth…

I think Carr’s problem is one of association, because he makes a satirical TV show with Charlie Booker (Guardian columnist), David Mitchell (Guardian Columnist) and Lauren Laverne (OBserver columnist), a certain demographic Guardian readers think he is one of them. I agree with EL that he is not paricularly political in his comedy but by hanging out with the wrong sort he is assumed to be of the soft left and therefore this false assumption leads to the accusations of hypocrisy. This can be contrasted with Ken Livingstone, who made specific politic statements, or someone like Andrew Marr taking out a superinjunction.

EDIT: I think Cameron was ill advised to go into the morality of tax avoidance.

Do you really need that spelled out to you?

Sounds like you do have to spell it out to me – I’m really struggling.

You make a comparison between Jimmy Carr and Ben Elton, and then suggest that there is is no caparison between Jimmy Carr and Ben Elton, claiming it’s just me “reading things”.

I would be ever-so grateful if you could explain it all to me. Although sadly I suspect that you can’t, so you’ll come out with some old bollox about not being arsed just to save you the embarrassment of admitting that you were talking nonsense. Am I right ?

Put simply-

Tax avoidance if it’s a Lefty (Livingstone, Carr, Milliband, Guardian et al) = Fine

Tax avoidance if you’re a nasty Tory evil person = BAD. EVIL. Etc.

🙂

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You make a comparison between Jimmy Carr and Ben Elton, and then suggest that there is is no caparison between Jimmy Carr and Ben Elton, claiming it’s just me “reading things”

Where did all this happen? You say comedians can not do anything else except make jokes yet an example, not comparison, of Elton to illustrate a point has you all confused and doing your usual. As mefty has said is easy to be confused in this and believe that JC is being a bit political and might be considered to be hypocritical.
Like I said ernesto, I’ll leave you to it…

“You will need the world’s biggest, most aggressive team of blood-hungry amoral tax lawyers. If you meet the criteria, you’ll pay one per cent tax like Barclays do.”

Looks like he met his own criteria. Q 😆

If I knew a way of saving money on tax I would do it. I need every penny I can. Granted JC has more money but still

CaptainFlashheart – Member

Put simply-

Tax avoidance if it’s a Lefty (Livingstone, Carr, Milliband, Guardian et al) = Fine

Jimmy Carr is a “Lefty” is he Flashheart ? Well you might well be right – I have no idea, despite being a reasonable fan of his.

So what do you base that claim on Flashheart…….is it because Jimmy Carr is a very amusing comedian and no one that amusing could possibly be right-wing ? Do tell.

For the record I think legal tax avoidance is fine, whoever does it, even I do it. However I don’t think opposition to plugging unacceptable loopholes is fine.

I think the confusion here may be caused by the fact that some people seem to think Ben Elton is a comedian ?

Surely that’s not been the case for about 2 decades.

he should pay same tax like everyone else. is this a difficult one?