My wife did some glamour modelling when I met her,

Pics or you’re lying 😀

Bwaarp– you seem to be trying to mix sexuality with learned behaviours , i agree that sexuality is hard wired , initially,but can be deviated later through nurture/lack of–hence paedophilia.

the response you gave to patriarchy was deterministic imo, and stands no examination.

Maybe the people who think those things need to consider why they think that way and how does a human body offend them so much?

Hmm…. if you were arguing in favour of naturism you might have a point, we are prudish in this country. But Nuts magazine doesn’t have a lot to do with a healthy, normalised attitude towards the human body.

But Nuts magazine doesn’t have a lot to do with a healthy, normalised attitude towards the human body.

Squirrel porn ?

Do you think that having ‘girlie’ posters on public display is a sign of insecurity about sexuality, i must display my ‘normalness’ and remind myself what i like ?

My wife did some glamour modelling when I met her.

What wors said ( . )Y( . )

now she does unglamourous modelling ?

Your arrangement of characters is o-diddly-offensive godzilla.

i agree that sexuality is hard wired , initially,but can be deviated later through nurture/lack of–hence paedophilia.

So by that argument you can “fix” homosexuality? (for the hard of thinking the quotes mean I don’t think it needs fixing)

But Nuts magazine doesn’t have a lot to do with a healthy, normalised attitude towards the human body.

Yes it does. Nut’s target market is young lads from teenage to mid twenties. Show me a teenage to twentysomething lad who does not have an interest in pretty girls and their tits and I will show you either someone maladjusted or gay.

Do you think that having ‘girlie’ posters on public display is a sign of insecurity about sexuality

Not generally speaking.

There are exceptions obviously, but generally, no.

atlaz- wrong, i do not think you need to fix homosexuality, but paedophilia is not hard wired is it ?

Yes it does. Nut’s target market is young lads from teenage to mid twenties. Show me a teenage to twentysomething lad who does not have an interest in pretty girls and their tits and I will show you either someone maladjusted or gay.

Speaking from my experience, pretty was not really the point of interest a lot of times. Actually, I’d argue that teenage boys, whilst obviously frequently expressing preferences for pretty girls in mags were less concerned about chasing that impossible ideal in real life.

I genuinely have no idea. Do paedophiles become asexual when “cured” or do they go on to live totally normal lives with an age appropriate partner? There may well be a spectrum that is fixable and others where they aren’t. There’s enough talk about paedophiles never being released because they’re a danger to children or those so medicated they are effectively neutered.

Anyway, I think that the spectrum of human sexuality, what constitutes as being a “normal” part of it and whether you can move people around within it is probably a different forum thread 🙂

scribbles “Hot Buns calendar” off Christmas list…..

…..replaces with “National Trust Properties” calendar…

As much as I think there is still loads to do before we get to sexual equality….I do wonder whether all the pop stars/film stars & glamour models who have their own specific calendars feel that they are being exploited & objectified…or whether they think ‘hmmm, I can make a bundle of cash from taking my kit off. ‘where’s that camera?’

Would the calendars had been in equally poor taste had they been the Women’s Institute charity one that inspired Calendar Girls?
If the women have created the calendar, does that change whether it is ok to display it or not?

My concern for all of this is more obvious media where young girls/boys are exposed to music videos that are verging on soft porn & role models wear as little as possible, while being ridiculously toned/trimmed & who have whole teams of people to make them look so ‘perfect’. Most of the kids who look up to these people will never be able to look like them, as it is not real, but will beat themselves up about it as they somehow feel inferior.

I havn’t read the middle bit of this thread, I just find it funny that in 7 pages a comment about girly calendars can be morphed into an argument about paedophiles and homosexuality. It is like a twisted form of chinese whispers.

Only on STW…..

rudebwoy – Member

atlaz- wrong, i do not think you need to fix homosexuality, but paedophilia is not hard wired is it ?

That’s open to debate but it’s widely believed that sometimes it is. (and to be blunt, it’s not universally accepted that homosexuality isn’t a choice)

I remember reading an interview with a paedophile some years back… He didn’t defend it at all, but simply said “This is how I am- try to put yourself in this position. Every sexual thought I’ve ever had has been evil”. That’s such a fundamental part of human relationships and interactions, everyday life in fact… Imagine growing up like that, puberty is hard enough. it was very sad.

I don’t think every one is like this- it’s pretty much axiomatic that the abused are more likely to become abusers for instance, which presumes that there can be external causes.

Men that look at topless women/pg 3 ladies/pornography = perfectly acceptable. Woman that do the posing = slappers.

I saw a woman reading Fifty Shades of Grey whilst waiting for the Tube a few weeks back. No-one batted an eyelid. I suspect that there would have been a different reaction if I’d pulled out a copy of Razzle. Is the double standard here that men are frowned upon for having an interest in sex whereas women aren’t, or at least not in the same way.

I’ve never really understood the hang-ups we have about sex generally as a country / species. We’re brought up to believe that it’s wrong or dirty in some way, then spend years battling this ingrained repression.

Anyway back on topic.

Who has cancelled their 5 order, not taken their car for service and not got the builders to come and fix their house? Going by this thread I imagine there are several bikeless people in falling down houses with cars that won’t pass their MOT……

Mmmmm Boobies

Women buying a rabbit = fine and acceptable

Men buying a fleshlight = wrong and perverted

That reminds me, I need to go wash mine out

Googles fleshlight ….. eew, really? Oh well, each to their own I guess.

Getting back on topic. Anybody who thinks that the image this sends out about Orange doesn’t matter needs to ask themselves why companies spend so much time and money building and protecting their brand. In a world where consumers have to make choices between dozens of option that all do the job equally well, image matters.

If virtually everybody does the same (e.g. builders, car mechanics) it doesn’t matter. If you are clearly the best or the cheapest it doesn’t matter. But none of this applies to Orange.

Personally I’m not offended, shocked, or even particularly surprised that a bunch of welders in Halifax like to have soft porn on the walls. But I am surprised that Orange chose (whether actively or passively) to present this image to the rest of the world.

On a lads trip to Amsterdam we walked through th red light district looking at the ladies in the windows. We were pretty much giggling like school kids. Meanwhile Dutch families were walking through not batting an eye lid.
We do have some hang ups in this country.

I couldn’t care less, and I doubt Orange do either.
Anyone who cares what other people stick on their walls at their workplace needs to turn their outrage knob waaaaay down.

franksinatra – Member

I havn’t read the middle bit of this thread, I just find it funny that in 7 pages a comment about girly calendars can be morphed into an argument about paedophiles and homosexuality.

Even for this place there’s a limit to how much cobblers people can talk about girly calendars before you want to talk about something- anything- else.

Who saw the match last night?

Personally I’m not offended, shocked, or even particularly surprised that a bunch of welders in Halifax like to have soft porn on the walls. But I am surprised that Orange chose (whether actively or passively) to present this image to the rest of the world.

Or maybe Orange thought that their target market was a bunch of quite cool, friendly and relaxed action sports types, rather than a bunch of hand wringing liberal woofters?

I couldn’t care less, and I doubt Orange do either.
Anyone who cares what other people stick on their walls at their workplace needs to turn their outrage knob waaaaay down.

^^^^^ This

I saw a woman reading Fifty Shades of Grey whilst waiting for the Tube a few weeks back. No-one batted an eyelid. I suspect that there would have been a different reaction if I’d pulled out a copy of Razzle. Is the double standard here that men are frowned upon for having an interest in sex whereas women aren’t, or at least not in the same way.

I see your point but not sure that’s a fair comparison. Would anyone have batted an eyelid had you pulled out a copy of FSOG? Would anyone have batted an eyelid had the woman pulled out a copy of Razzle?

I struggle with long sentences but they maybe happy to lose orders from the ones that find it objectionable as they will mostly be soft southern riders that they do not want buying their bikes for mincing on the Surrey hills. That means their will be no short supply for sweary northerners. Just my tuppence worth FWIW.

Or maybe Orange thought that their target market was a bunch of quite cool, friendly and relaxed action sports types, rather than a bunch of hand wringing liberal woofters?

Then somebody needs to have a word with them !

Why on earth would it make good business sense to upset the “hand wringing liberal woofters”? Their money folds as well as the next man’s.

But fair enough, I didn’t realise that Orange were actively trying to reduce the size of their order book. Makes perfect sense now.

People would avoid buying Orange bikes because their welders like tits?
They obviously hadn’t thought their potential purchase through.
Furthermore, the people offended by this are not really liberal are they?
I’m not offended by a boobie, a cock or even (gasp) a bumhole. That’s a liberal attitude to nudity that is.

i dont understand, are some people seriously suggesting that boobies are a bad thing?

even women love boobies!

Would anyone have batted an eyelid had you pulled out a copy of FSOG? Would anyone have batted an eyelid had the woman pulled out a copy of Razzle?

Either one is surely more socially acceptable than pulling out a copy of the Daily Mail.

Amazing, 7 pages of people getting upset about a calendar/ photo on the wall.

Bless you’re precious souls.

You’d see more on Bournemouth beach each summer!

Isn’t the orange logo based on a bumhole anyway?

Wasn’t that Kona?

Either one is surely more socially acceptable than pulling out a copy of the Daily Mail.

I hide a copy of the mail inside Razzle.

Why on earth would it make good business sense to upset the “hand wringing liberal woofters”? Their money folds as well as the next man’s.
But fair enough, I didn’t realise that Orange were actively trying to reduce the size of their order book. Makes perfect sense now.

Are you actually saying that you believe Orange will lose even one single customer because the welders have a couple of saucy calendars in the workshop ?

Or are you just chucking that rubbish in to try and bolster a point ?

Isn’t the orange logo based on a bumhole anyway?

With the sun shining out of it!!!

To pick up the earlier point about getting your car serviced; I’ve not seen pictures of semi-naked women on the walls of any of the dealerships that I take our cars to for servicing for many years and I’d be very surprised if I did. Not offended, but surprised. They are dealers for brands that have spent millions building up a brand reputation and image and they are not about to risk that image just because some grease monkey wants to look at a pair of tits while they change your oil.

The guy down the road does have your classic mechanic’s poster on the wall. But he’s cheap, runs his own business and has more work than he can manage so, frankly, can do what he likes.

Objectification of people is just wrong, it does nothing for anyone really apart from encourage insecurity and other phobias.