The head covering is from the old testament IIRC and is exactly the same theologically as a nuns wimple and why women are supposed to wear hats in church.
it is however used as a means of oppression and there is nothing in the Koran that says it must be a burqua only that the hair must be convered

I find it endlessly entertaining (not in a funny-ha-ha way either) watching islamophobic gammons disguise their hatred of Muslims as being white knights for women’s rights.

FGM is another weapon of choice. Ironic they love womens rights so much when it suits them.

I think that it’s incredibly cute how people confuse Socialism with National Socialism, because the latter quite demonstrably incorrectly contains the word “Socialism”

Not really incorrect in that they were socialist. For a specific section of the population at any rate.

Nazis were not socialist.  anyone with a little understanding of socialism would know that.

May has now called for him to apologise.  A bit late but she has done.  What will Johnson do?

What will Johnson do?

Nothing at all. Why would he, when he was FS he did enough to be fired repeatedly. If only we had a press who cared about this sort of mockery of religious groups, if only…..

I think people who wear cowboy hats and boots  are daft, does that make me a racist ?

Boris’s makes some very valid points about banning the garment doesn’t help and that not discussing it doesn’t help either.

Is he racist, not sure but he has said we shouldn’t ban the burqua banning unlike the racist Frenchies, Danes and Germans (racists the lot of them)

The press and narrow minded folk on here have  jumped on the headline, ignoring the actual debate that is worth having.

Never got told to apologise by May before when he refused tho

The press and narrow minded folk on here have  jumped on the headline, ignoring the actual debate that is worth having.

Well he could have had the debate in a sensible way and not said that people looked like letter boxes.

But yeah it’s not as if he has said anything racist before

Nazis were not socialist. anyone with a little understanding of socialism would know that.

I did try to illustrate that I meant that in a very narrow way. Like, rizla paper territory. I’m well aware the reality was far from that, usually polar opposite.

If only we had a press who cared about this sort of mockery of religious groups, if only…..

They care deeply if there is an opportunity to manufacture outrage at the Labour Party.

Boris’s makes some very valid points about banning the garment doesn’t help and that not discussing it doesn’t help either.

I’ll ask again how does ridiculing those you see as oppressed help the debate, unless you are a racist.

I think people who wear cowboy hats and boots  are daft, does that make me a racist ?

No.  But that’s a ridiculous comparison.

Is he racist, not sure but he has said we shouldn’t ban the burqua banning unlike the racist Frenchies, Danes and Germans (racists the lot of them)

He’s made this statement days after meeting Steve Bannon, if you don’t know who he is then google.  He doesn’t find people in cowboy hats and boots daft, but there’s compelling evidence to say that he finds certain ethnic and religious groups offensive and daft, most of whom cannot simply remove a cowboy outfit to escape the hostility.

Never got told to apologise by May before when he refused tho

Absolutely this.  Timing is everything.

I’ll ask again how does ridiculing those you see as oppressed help the debate, unless you are a racist.

I agree.

What will Johnson do?

Carry on packing, isn’t he off to Argentina to live with his fellows that emigrated there a few years ago??

He is a stroppy child in the last throes of vocality, he will go out kicking and screaming and causing chaos and infighting.

If you ignored to liar he would disappear without trace, but I’m not keen on that form of action. I want him to face the courts for his past actions and infringements.

However, not supporting him in any way, the debate does need airing. It needs to be rammed home that whatever you wear or look like should have no bearing on your perception of thier morals.

Sadly the human race is far far away from any form of acceptance and tolerance, humans are by nature scared and frightened and people like LyinBloHard understand the social makeup of this nation… and he appeases them weekly with his tirades.

If he wants to vent, Speakers Corner isn’t that far away from his office… but he will never face the general public without protection or a getaway.

He is an idiot for sure and someone in his position should know better .

The IS ‘Beatles’ death sentence issue, the Windrush ‘scandal’ and this latest offering from Pound Shop Trump are all of the same ilk.

Nasty Party politicians trying to win support amongst racists. For their own personal ambition or to win some of the Kippers over.

Doesn’t matter that the US will do whatever they want and ignore Little Britain, or that the Windrush affair was always going to end with a climb down. It’s about signaling to the racists that “there’s something here for you”.

An age old game, and one that the perpetrators never learn from. They unleash the baser motivations in people for their own ends, don’t ‘deliver’ for the bigots and problems ensue.

Even better if you can keep a pot boiling under the oppo by implying that disapproving of aggressive militarism by Israel is tantamount to anti-semitism (well, getting your mates in the press to do it for you).

Apparently he’s refusing to apologise … That says a lot about his character.

But possibly more importantly, how will his manager theresa react? Line herself up for the same shit storm corbyn has over antisemitism?

Or actually get rid of him?

Line herself up for the same shit storm corbyn has over antisemitism?

Like that is going to happen. Doesnt have the same special interest groups involved. Just like all his previous dubious comments it will quickly be brushed over. Probably even faster than the tories investigation into Islamophobia in the party or the antisemitism issues with some of the parties the tories associate with in Europe.

My underrstanding of the burka and other forms of head covering is that it’s origin is rooted in trying to prevent men from being overcome with ravenous passion at the sight of a woman. Is this not the case? If that is the root of the tradition then it’s offensive to both men and women to perpetuate the idea.

Is it not the same type of thing as a nuns habit coif/wimple type religious garb? Like a uniform of sorts

If you look at old paintings everyone is wearing some head covering. No idea if this was religious, fashion or just to cover manky hair. Anyone know?

Looks like I spoke too soon, may has also called for an apology.

It’s like the worst game of chess ever. It would be interesting if it was a soap opera but these people are apparently running a country..

I wonder if the Eaton mess will apologise.

Cornholic – from memory its in the old testament – women have to cover their glory before god.  to muslims its all women must wear a headscarf or other covering for their hair.  their is no religious justification for the burqua.  For Catholics its just the wimple for nuns, for all christians women should wear hats in church

His choice of words are offensive, not the debate about the burka.

He realised his attacks on the PM were not good enough with Brexit so now he is going for full on racism hoping to start an argument. He wants May to attack him so he can challenge her

Isn’t it ironic that the Liberal Champions of STW are so quick to scream and froth at the mouth about what they perceive as racism – but ignorantly blind to their ageist discriminatory views of old people.

but ignorantly blind to their ageist discriminatory views of old people.

Que?

I didn’t think LyingBloHard was that old.

ignorantly blind to their ageist discriminatory views of old people.

Maybe, maybe not. Whats it gotvto do with Boris and his racist views?

It’s got to do with the now usual mooman distraction/troll post don’t worry he won’t be back for a while

Exactly, what about Corbyn, he is old and antisémite apparently ?!

 I don’t think it’s any stretch to imagine that the vast majority of the retired Sargent Majors and senile old blue-rinses are inherently racist.

3rd comment into this thread.

Do you have evidence to counter the amount of racism (huge amounts of nice casual stuff) among the older generations?

3rd comment into this thread.

You pretty little (pink) snowflake, you. 😉

Well, somewhat predictability, Boris has got what he wanted. He’s the centre of attention, and his lackeys in the press are now trying to portray him as some kind of freedom of speech campaigner being persecuted by a liberal media elite. Just like Tommy Robinson! That’ll go down a storm with the gammons who’ll be deciding the next Tory leader and therefore PM.

It’s right out of the Trump playbook. And all this after a meeting with Steve Bannon? What a remarkable coincidence?

Christ on a bendybus! He’s so achingly transparent, it amazes me that anyone falls for his tired, desperate, opportunistic dog-whisle shtick any more. To paraphrase another nasty, right-wing gob-on-a-stick “that joke isn’t funny any more”

Isn’t it ironic that the Liberal Champions of STW are so quick to scream and froth at the mouth about what they perceive as racism – but ignorantly blind to their ageist discriminatory views of old people.

Not really. if you read what I wrote, I wasn’t talking about ‘old people’ per se, I was referring to a specific group of old people – the Tory Party membership. The whole point is that they aren’t remotely representative of anyone but themselves, and I’m saying that they’re inherently intolerant and racist, in a Paul Dacre manner, as well as rabidly anti-EU etc etc.

The irony of this being that they all live in places where the only immigrants they see are the eastern Europeans who clean their cars and serve their coffees. I bet they’ve never actually seen anyone in a niqab in real life, just in the photos that accompany articles like Borises in the right-wing press

They are a foul garment, that no free thinking female would ever wear. They are enforced by men who are only interested in subjugating their women.

Are you talking about high heel shoes? Because of course here in the West we would never force/encourage women to wear particular clothing to please the wishes and desires of men.

100% agree

Johnson is targeting a specific demographic

Evertything Johnson does should be seen through the prism of what makes it more likely he’ll become PM

being old & conservative makes you more likely be anti-burka

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/08/31/majority-public-backs-burka-ban/

& though support for a ban has now fallen the trends will be the same

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/04/27/about-half-brits-support-burqa-ban/

Johnson needs the support of the membership before he can become leader, thats all he cares about, so these headlines in all the papers are just what he wants to see.

He also gets to play the free speech hero (classic Bannon tactic)

It also forces May to take the opposite stance making her the enemy of free speech & fan of the Burka

That it stokes division & blows the dog whistle to embolden the racists is inconsequential to Johnson who just wants to assume the position he so rightfully deserves.

Johnson needs the support of the membership before he can become leader, thats all he cares about, so these headlines in all the papers are just what he wants to see.

The difference between US primaries (appeal to the party) and elections (appeal to the population) is very similar, you need to be very one side to get in the race but that won’t get you overall support.

Can someone actually find the full transcript of what he wrote? I’m struggling to find it anywhere.

It’s in the Tele so you need to subscribe, it was syndicated to a bunch of gulf newspapers too.

Johnson is perfectly capable of ‘evovling’ his position to suit whatever is required.not to say that he hasnt made plenty of miscalculations along the way, hes partly responsible for the absolute shambles of brexit & thats a millstone for him

being old & conservative makes you more likely be anti-burka

Hard to imagine anyone isn’t anti-burka. Other than hard core misogynists. Are we all supposed to be in favour of FGM, banning women from driving, male chaperones and honour killings too?

Hard to imagine anyone isn’t anti-burka.

Whats your definition of “anti-burka”?