Have we done his call on LBC yesterday?

Don’t ever tell me I’m “not English”. pic.twitter.com/pODPhOJw8W

— David Lammy (@DavidLammy) March 29, 2021

Quite amazed how composed he stayed during the call…..

Dare I say it he did a lot better than Sir Keir Starmer did when faced with a phone-in racist.

DL was very impressive, quite gob smacked at how cool he was.

He was brilliant on keeping calm, factual and straight to the point. Sadly this is probably due having experience this many times. He’s one of very few politicians I admire.

Gene however was a pure example of the very misinformed that are the route of racism In this county.

Always been a fan of Lammy, I hope one day we see him as PM. Sadly, due to this country being full of people like that caller, it won’t happen, but I can hope

The true scandal with this is that the media is routinely giving airtime to callers like that in order to generate viral videos like this one.

No one is interested in normal discussions anymore which only serves to normalise extreme viewpoints because they’re what gets the clicks.

She briefly said “you are where you are born” and then panicked realising that meant he was as English as her. Extremely unpleasant views from the caller – and good reaction from David Lammy. I suspect he’s good at this because this isn’t the first time he’s had a conversation like that, unfortunately 🙁

Yeah I was a bit surprised she got past the call screening they presumably do then realised why :-/

Did any of the current cabinet tweet support to him after that?

I know that the ex chancellor did.

He is pretty much always impressive (compared to most MPs), stays calm and gives honest answers.

One for the Starmer thread, but he needs to be put in the spotlight a lot more.

The true scandal with this is that the media is routinely giving airtime to callers like that in order to generate viral videos like this one.

No one is interested in normal discussions anymore which only serves to normalise extreme viewpoints because they’re what gets the clicks.

I see your point but sometimes it’s good to air them and calmly and reasonably take them apart.

Jean probably doesn’t realise that at one point there were an estimated 1.5 Billion UK citizens of all races and religions

How he played that as cool as he did, I have no idea – born, I presume and as others have postulated, of a sad and wearying familiarity.

The true scandal with this is that the media is routinely giving airtime to callers like that in order to generate viral videos like this one.

Word.

I’m not sure I agree with PerchyPanther’s comment.

I think giving all political and social opinions airtime means the broadcaster is less likely to be called out for bias.

I think its really good that they did accept her call (even if they knew she was a racist) as it highlights the problem, which is all too easily forgotton. Plus it allows people like David Lammy to really shine and show just how cool he really is.

End result is huge PR boost for Black English MP and public humiliation for racist white pensioner (not that she probably cares).

Yeah I was a bit surprised she got past the call screening they presumably do then realised why :-/

I was on Radio Scotland last year. I called up, explained who I was. Without a check as to if I was who I said I was, or what I was going to say, I was called back 2 minutes later and given 5 mins air time live.
I sat in the car with my CEO and Radio 4 on. Similar level of check (they could have googled her, but not check to tell if she was imposter) about a subject for a ‘day’ that was happening that day, which was national campaign we were lead on. She was live on R4 about ten minutes after calling in to offer opinion on breakfast news show.

I think giving all political and social opinions airtime means the broadcaster is less likely to be called out for bias.

When was the last time you watched a video of an LBC call-in show where a reasoned argument was made between presenter and caller? I’ve never seen one. Yet my Social media timelines regularly throw up these videos where there’s a bust up over a controversial subject and someone invariably gets “owned” or “schooled” .

It’s not debate. It’s clickbait entertainment. 2 minutes of conflict that gloss over the actual subject in exchange for a cheap gladiatorial thrill.

LBC seem to specialise in it.

Lammy either allowed himself to ambushed by it or was complicit in it, either of which diminish him in my eyes.

Deeply unpleasant woman.
Utterly ignorant, but sadly unlikely to be in any way improved from that call.

perchypanther
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Lammy either allowed himself to ambushed by it

What does that mean? Some racist phones into a talk show and it’s the talk show guest’s job to avoid the “ambush”?

she’s probably doubled down as is the way now.
Also seems to be confusing nationality with race. Absolute moron

What does that mean?

It means that if you agree to participate in a radio phone that routinely throws up racist callers then you either expect to have to deal with them and plan accordingly ( which is what I expect happened here ) or you were too stupid to see it coming.

I think it’s naive to pretend that he went on that show without thinking that someone was going to have a pop at him.

The point is that now whatever message Lammy was actually there to deliver is lost and forgotten, sacrificed on the altar of a two minute clip for cheap clicks.

It means that if you agree to participate in a radio phone

He’s standing in all week for another presenter IIRC.

He’s standing in all week for another presenter IIRC.

Shouldn’t he be doing his actual job instead?

Perchy, I’m pretty sure you’re a good ‘un but that seems pretty close to “she shouldn’t have gone out dressed like that”… Basically boils down to “there are places black people shouldn’t go and things they shouldn’t do because there are racists there”. Lammy’s surely not naive about these things but neither has he spent his career avoiding things that his white colleagues can do without a thought.

You can’t blame someone for encountering racism.

Lets expose these people for all to see. The biggest mistake we can make is not giving these bigots and racists a platform to air their opinions. they need to be exposed and challenged. You might not change their mind but you will potentially influence millions of listeners.

Wether the show is purposefully screening for these people I don’t know, but free speech only works when people of all opinions and views can air them and have them challenged.

Its quashing open debate and ‘de platforming’ people with certain views that is the root cause in the rot in our political discourse these days.

Shouldn’t he be doing his actual job instead?

He is in opposition, not government. I would argue that it is his job to engage with the public.

I think the fact that Jean doesn’t realise how racist she is makes the whole thing more sickening.

I don’t like Jean.

Lammy either allowed himself to ambushed by it or was complicit in it, either of which diminish him in my eyes.

He is an eloquent public servant who welcomed the opportunity to call out a racist. He did so carefully, factually and with dignity. In doing so he helped keep public knowledge of societal racism in the news cycle. How on earth can that diminish him?

I don’t like Jean.

Shouldn’t he be doing his actual job instead?

Surely that is his job, communictaing with and being accountable to the people of the UK?

He’s discussing the political issues of the day on a radio show with the general public – exactly what you want to see from an MP, you get to understand where they stand on the issues etc.

Jean probably doesn’t realise that at one point there were an estimated 1.5 Billion UK citizens of all races and religions

Jean is probably as thick as pigshit and is now saying ‘well, you know what I meant’ to anyone challenging her and digging herself in deeper.

Giving morons like this the ability to choose the direction of a whole country is a strong argument for IQ weighted votes.

You can’t blame someone for encountering racism.

I’m not. I’m blaming LBC for turning a pig-ignorant racist and a Harvard educated politician into a two minute sideshow.

She doesn’t deserve a single second of the airtime and he doesn’t deserve to be reduced to a clickbait viral clip.

I wonder if Jean is even aware of the root of Anglo Saxons that she is so proud of, does she know where the Angles originated from and where Saxony actually is 🙄

Its quashing open debate and ‘de platforming’ people with certain views that is the root cause in the rot in our political discourse these days.

Hmmm yeah racists just don’t get enough airtime, like how everyone ignored Nigel Farage for years. 🙄

Yep, do you think the racists that were listening came away thinking what a good job Lammy did and changed their thinking or did they just think Jean was right anyway?

I would put A LOT of money on the latter

I wonder if Jean is even aware of the root of Anglo Saxons that she is so proud of, does she know where the Angles originated from and where Saxony actually is

Well, all human-kind came from the African rift valleys originally so by that logic nobody can be indigenous right?

Its quashing open debate and ‘de platforming’ people with certain views that is the root cause in the rot in our political discourse these days.

I think doing this when they (unfortunately) have the internet as an alternative platform to build a following is the problem.

Unfortunately that genie is out of the bag. It would be best to de-platform them totally, so no one even knew they existed.

Well, all human-kind came from the African rift valleys originally so by that logic nobody can be indigenous right?

I suspect Jean thinks all of human-kind came from the South East of England.

Yeah I was a bit surprised she got past the call screening they presumably do then realised why

Is this your first LBC video?

Perchy has it this is what they do, they have presenters who are different sides of the fence. I believe Mr Farage has been on quite often as a presenter. It’s a click bait radio station.

Always been a fan of Lammy, I hope one day we see him as PM. Sadly, due to this country being full of people like that caller, it won’t happen, but I can hope

I don’t think it his race that will stop him being PM, it is the party he is in. There are ~70 non-white MPs now. Generally, the colour of the candidate does not matter, apart from with a very small number of very bigoted people.
Getting shortlisted for the Labour leadership is a hard thing to do, being voted to be Leader is even harder. 46 years after the Tories elected their first Women Leader, we are still waiting for a suitable Labour Woman candidate who would unite all of the factions.
Starmer was elected as leader with a very large majority, yet their are constant calls for him to go as he doesnt suit one factions view of how the party should be run.
Remember Billy Connolly telling the story of his friend, a lifelong Labour supporter, who would not vote for Neil Kinnock – he said he’d never vote for a ginger. It’s pathetic, but I cant see David Lammy ever being Labour Leader, or, Labour getting into power for at least another 15 years. And all this while having the worst Government for 50 years or so.

Giving morons like this the ability to choose the direction of a whole country is a strong argument for IQ weighted votes.

Is that because you think people with high IQ’s can’t be racist?

Always been a fan of Lammy, I hope one day we see him as PM. Sadly, due to this country being full of people like that caller, it won’t happen, but I can hope

You can put money on it, lots of BAME MP’s in the running to be the next PM, bookies favourite included

What a horrible old woman. Absolutely vile and repugnant.

Lammy has always been impressive. Principled and a great communicator. I’d vote for him if he was in a position to represent me.

Jean is normal. I mean, her views are abhorrent, but they are entirely mainstream.

How did you fill in the census?