Dave Yates & 29er's
18 – thanks for jumping in. Could I cut to the chase and publicly ask, if you don't mind, what ball park figure for a custom steel 29er MTB frame?
I remember a while ago asking and you saying you might be starting a custom build in this new year. Looks like you're going ahead then, and with 29er builds? Good luck and good to hear of another taking up the lead.Posted 8 years ago
£1000 seems an awful lot for a steel frame, albeit custom, and seems, if I can say, towards the top end of what others are asking.
Agreed – though I'd be interested what the tube spec was.
I'm not going to those US builders and paying ~1500 dollars, plus 100 postage, then 4%, plus handling, then 17.5% VAT
Total ~1400 pounds for a steel HT!
Waltworks, Curtlo et al should do you something for $1100 ish surely? Both respected with lots of 29er experience.
Pipedream did say to me they were thinking of a steel 29er with sliding drops – but probably not got the short chainstays and slack ha you want?? 😀
What about the new frames On-one are planning – steel and ti, shorter chainstays, slack(er) chainstays.Posted 8 years ago
Yes, let's see what the tube specs are, but it doesn't bother me too much which tubes make the frame. Most are 4130 rears anyway. It's always more about the builder, which is why experience is more important than anything, and when you are talking a big for a 29er fork (120 TA Reba)…
Curtlo's wait list is currently ~4 months, but he is good on pricing (900 no paint), not sure of specific experience
Walt is snowed under (1200)
Siren – ~2 months and 1200. He has only made 1 LT 29er frame though
Steve Stickle – 2 months 1900Posted 8 years agocharlie the bikemongerSubscriber
A niner sir 9 Or mcr is 853 throughout not just the main tubes.
Handling is awesome
frames are about £800
the xl size fits giants
you could get it repainted
so why go custom?
29er geometry is not the same as 26". And that is why some early 29ers were sluggish and barge like. Why risk an expensive custom build when their is a tried and tested and well rated off the peg option.
In the past I spent loads on custom surfboards. Some were dogs despite experience and consultation. I now just grab an off the peg surftech mass produced board and guess what… they are all brilliant. Niners are also brilliant.Posted 8 years agoTooTallMember
Clink – there was a custom 29er builder – but he couldn't make it work. Doesn't even post here any more.
Could there be a half way house on this? Custom made rather than bespoke? A bit like the suit makers – your dimensions get sent off to a factory and it is made up there rather than you dealing with the tailor in his shop.Posted 8 years ago
The factories in Taiwan can make the prototypes that get made for testing etc – could On One / Ragley etc get bikes fabricated along those lines? Perhaps a range of dimensions that could be chosen from? I dunno – seems vaguely possible to me.
The frame I'm after is unusual and therefore requires builder's specific experience to ensure ending up with something which will work
There are quite a few builders around, and also one's who build 29er's, but there are very few with burly 29er trail bike experience
This is how I understand it. I really don't think 'pick any frame builder worthy of the title' goes here. I may be wrong
I asked 18 bikes what they could offer, as I understand they have newly tooled for 29er frames
1K is alot of money, but I would pay this for the right framePosted 8 years ago
brant – Member
you know these super short chainstay 29ers? are they measuring them along the chainstay (the proper way), or horizontally from BB to wheel centre (cheating)?
I've just measured the CS's on my Paradox and they are 16.9 BB to spindle centre
Banshee list the Paradox CS length as 16.9Posted 8 years ago
Why is measuring horizontally cheating? Surely it is this dimension that is most relevant (position of vertical rider weight relative to tyre contact patch). Isn't this the dimension that influences the (mythical and much debated?) short chainstay / weight on the back wheel traction?
Measuring along the chainstay is only really useful for working out singlespeed wheel position / chain length / gear ratio combo.
And does it make much difference how you measure it anyway? I'm playing with a design for my own consumption (just about to order a pile of tubes). 29er ss, super short stays, slack-ish front and short rigid fork. Stays come in at 16.05" along the chainstay or 15.83" horizontal (so less than a quarter of an inch difference no matter how you measure it). And before anyone asks it does have mud clearance with fat tyres and regular crank spacing!
It will probably handle like a bus but who cares – if I don't like it then will just buy a few more tubes, melt apart the bad bits and try something else!
Carve your own niche…….Posted 8 years ago
I think I should have put "cheating" in quotes, with a smiley.
I'm not a huge believer in chainstay length alone affecting a design, but as far as marketing/perception goes, a 1/4in can make a huge difference (apparently ;-))
16in with a 29er does sound very short indeed – but SS lets you do some tighter back ends. Did you have to go to 83mm BB and 150mm back end? I've always wanted to, but never got around to it, and it's commercially quite dumb (but the sort of thing you can do for custom).Posted 8 years ago
I fully agree – I'm playing with something completely and utterly commercially dumb! 🙂
Just a nice excuse to play after work with gas bottles and practice on a new CAD package (can unroll the tubes to get mitre templates). And build something odd without being laughed at by a framebuilder…..
With conventional chainstays and ss, 16" still needs some pretty horrific crimping to fit between tyre and chainring. So maybe it needs unconventional chainstays – think back to how they solved this "problem" circa 1990 ;-)…..Posted 8 years ago
Got it in one – give that man a Bula hat! As I said – commercially not viable 🙂
Only a very little teeny tiny elevation to get chainstay above a ss chain (not straight line from head tube to dropout like days of old).
Yeti Ultimate. Nishiki. Mantis. Roberts Stratos. Funk. Alpinestars. Mammoth. Ahhhhhh.Posted 8 years ago
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