Unless you’re swapping identical components from one frame to another it’s impossible to attribute differences in ‘feel’ to the frame. 853 has a lovely finish (internal milling) but that’s about all I could establish.
I’d buy the T45 if I were you, as the most important thing being the quality of construction which with Curtis, is pretty high, by all accounts.
Curtis 853 Singlespeed, owned mine now for 2 years.
4.06 lb frame weight, Originally built with Reba world cup at 100mm travel, then run with 115mm Reba team with a bit more sag. In it’s current guise it’s run with RC31 Ti rigids.
71/73 angles make it very traditional XC geometry, had mine built with a 23.75″ top tube this make it a tad more stretched, but allows me to open myself up more when climbing.
The stays are full 853 and the ride is fantastic, nice and stiff around BB, but it truly feels as if the rear floats over so much of the smaller trail obstacles.
Would I change anything ?
Yes , the disc tabs are currently being changed to slotted to aid in caliper placement.
Would I recommend one?
Yes, it was worth every penny, but make sure you are in the knowledge that if it’s custom get as much experience of what you want before you order. I took measurement from all sorts of bikes I had previously ridden and worked out how I wanted it to handle.
The Curtis I have is fantastic on tight twisty singletrack, nice and balanced in weight between the wheels, I have never ridden it and not ended up with a smile on my face, even at the end of 6 hour ride on Mendip.
Original Guise
Current Guise, but now has salsa pro moto flat bars
I had one of the very first SuperX frames to be built back in about 1999. Truly awesome frame. Managed to track down its current owner a couple of years back and occassionally pester him to sell me it back. Which reminds me, its been a while – I’ll drop him a mail sometime 😉
I bought one (a freeride frame), built it up (as a singletrack steed) and didn’t get on with it (funny that).
However, for its designed purpose I would imagine it’s great – a short stem, big forks and dropped saddle would reveal its true colours – but for I wanted it for it’s a little short. The workmanship is gorgeous though.
Would I buy another one? Absolutely, but I’d get it made from scratch. And if you want to buy mine it’s up up for sale. 😉
The freeride frames look whack. Dead steep head angle (71 degrees!!!!) and the bb looks too high. Also, why do there dirt frames (like the Superx) have dead long stays?
The rest of the frames look pretty good apart from the old downhill frame which also had **** geometry.
Woodsman, Gary is in between houses atm believed due to personal reasons, give him a ring and he will be in touch, he just works on Somerset time…relaxed and slower
Ultimately it is a custom however Gary recommends 71 degrees, on my Freeride it was just too steep if you were riding anywhere outside The Fens, which was a great shame as it was brilliant on natural, twisty singletrack, one of my best memories was a wet weekend at Drumlanrig on it.
As others have said the quality and finish of the brazing on it was a thing of beauty.