Conservative coalition with DUP…..

no wonder the Weak & Wobbly Tory/DUP coalition is in trouble

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/orange-order-portadown-northern-ireland-dup-use-banned-drumcree-march-negotiations-with-theresa-may-a7785026.html

Davis admitted earlier that Brexit talks might be delayed

I wasn’t there and neither were you.

I find some of the remarks made by JC, JM and DA at the time extremely distateful and difficult to reconcile.
But it would appear these talks helped to save lives.

I’m glad they (and all the other parties involved in the dialogue) were involved.

As a wise man once said, jaw jaw is better than war war.

You don’t see the difference?

Yes, I can see the difference there. So he was in favour of unification. Isn’t he allowed to have an opinion, as a backbencher?

I would like to know if you can see a difference between supporting an aim held by many, some of whom are terrorists; and condoning terrorism?

But it would appear they helped to save lives.

Spherical objects – if they had been impartial facilitators they might have stood a chance of doing so, all they succeeded in being was useful idiots lending credence to terrorism as part of a propaganda war

You think we’d have a ceasefire now if we’d not negotiated with all sides whilst they were still murdering people?

We certainly wouldn’t have it without the Anglo-Irish agreement

Can you remember who opposed that?

Can you remember who opposed that?

The DUP?

Can you remember who opposed that?

The DUP?

Yes, both sides.

For god’s sake man, it’s a matter of public record.

If you had a shred of decency you’d stop trolling about this.
It’s seriously unpleasant and unhelpful.

SF will not sit in Westminster for one very very simple reason, it would be accepting Westminster rule, the whole raison d’etre of SF is rule from Dublin.

openly supporting the stated aims of one single side of the conflict,

show me where corbyn supported the IRA, he may well have sympathy towards the goal of a united Ireland, struggling to see why that’s a bad thing?

Also are you still incapable of separating the IRA from Sinn Fein?

Why don’t you refer to the DUP as DUP/UDA, DUP/UVF?

From what I can gather the deadline for forming a power sharing government in NI is 29th June. After that, if no deal is made, NI come under home rule again. I stand to be corrected but if it is as I understand it, the current cluster**** is going to have serious consequences.
The DUP/Tory “understanding” will cause serious problems to this.

Yes, both sides.

For god’s sake man, it’s a matter of public record.

So, you’ve successfully demonstrated that unlike the British and Irish governments, who were seeking peace

Jezza was successfully mired in continuing the fight along with the rest of the terrorists and their supporters from both sides

Well done 😀

Also are you still incapable of separating the IRA from Sinn Fein

Of course not

IRA:

Sinn Fein:

The difference is obvious

Ii) publically aligning yourself, in an unofficial capacity, and openly supporting the stated aims of one single side of the conflict, repeatedly giving a public stage and publicity to their aims and onjectives, including opposing steps towards achieving a bipartisan agreement to achieve a peaceable outcome by the respective governments.

Big whoop compared to breaking the law & actually being a MEMBER OF THE IRA…..AKA Maria Gatland AKA Tory councillor.

Go get upset about that.

But you won’t will you?

You’ll conveniently ignore the uncomfortable truth because it doesn’t suit your RW narrative.

How pathetic.

Why no continual reference to DUP/UDA, DUP/UVF?

At least admit you’re biased ffs.

NI come under home rule again

With the DUP in power via Westminster, why would they negotiate with SF? At which point those republican factions who do not support the peace process can legitimately state the GFA has failed, SF have failed talking does not work, London has seized control with the assistance of the DUP. The DUP has blocked various parts of the GFA already.

And very very quickly we are back to soldiers on the streets, bombings etc etc.

Stop banging on about the past. You’ll note I wrote “to vote Labour” rather than “to have voted Labour”, and I know how important precise wording is to you.

Back of the net.

@mrmo

That is the way I see it as well.

Ninfan, i’ve twice posted up a set of links to numerous news articles going back to the 1980’s and the Conservative involvement with the IRA, the Tory government had closed, secretive talks going back to ’81?

Have a read of these and see why you feel it is ok for one and not the other?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/2601875.stm

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-16366413

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/1999/oct/16/northernireland.thatcher

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/the-secret-ira-meetings-revelation-body-blow-to-major-premiers-authority-damaged-by-his-risky-1507416.html

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2008/mar/18/northernireland.past

And a Tory peer that laundered money for the IRA

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/lords-stunned-by-tory-peers-ira-funding-claim-2126723.html

Why no continual reference to DUP/UDA, DUP/UVF?

Can you prove Arlene or her deputy leader also lead the UDA/UVF?

sv – Member
Why no continual reference to DUP/UDA, DUP/UVF?
Can you prove Arlene or her deputy leader also lead the UDA/UVF?

Can you tell me the last time Gerry Adams chaired an army council meeting? 😆

There’s links all over the shop between both, to deny that is ridiculous, but to continually associate one with their armed wing and to completely omit the other’s, is utterly disingenuous.

For the purposes of peace and talks, both should be referred to as separate entities from their armed counterparts. You just show your bias if you refer to one as a whole and not the other.

Scud – and I’ve already answered you, they were the elected government, and they were talking to both sides.

Why no continual reference to DUP/UDA, DUP/UVF?

Because DUP weren’t tied to UDA or UVF, they were tied to Ulster Resistance

Can you tell me the last time Gerry Adams chaired an army council meeting?

Depends if you believe the former Irish Justice minister

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/feb/21/northernireland.northernireland

Because DUP weren’t tied to UDA or UVF

Utter nonsense, absolute bollocks.
And that’s a matter of public record too.

Fwiw, I’ll just let you keep posting your nasty, twisted opinions without engaging from here on in.

It would seem you’re prepared to say anything for attention.
Go and speak to someone and get some help.

@ninfan

They were collaborators.

https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/adam-ramsay/so-who-are-dup

ninfan – Member
Why no continual reference to DUP/UDA, DUP/UVF?
Because DUP weren’t tied to UDA or UVF, they were tied to Ulster Resistance

sure! 😆

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/orange-order-portadown-northern-ireland-dup-use-banned-drumcree-march-negotiations-with-theresa-may-a7785026.html?cmpid=facebook-post

ninfan – Member
Scud – and I’ve already answered you, they were the elected government, and they were talking to both sides.

And OK to launder money for the IRA?

ninfan……

it didnt work b4 the election, it wont work now

Next ninfan will be telling us the UDA are alright since they weren’t proscribed until 1992! 😆

way to take the focus off the topic. 🙄
edit: sorry, I’ll expand. the troubles – we all hope ( i presume ) = history.
con/dup – GFA and ongoing corruption allegations =/= history.

http://metro.co.uk/2017/06/11/labour-tried-to-do-deals-with-the-dup-last-time-there-was-a-hung-parliament-6701733/amp/

😆

Ninfan – see Kimbers’ post

Anyone else wondering, if the DUP are such objectionable ****, why do they have more MPs than anyone else in NI?

http://metro.co.uk/2017/06/11/labour-tried-to-do-deals-with-the-dup-last-time-there-was-a-hung-parliament-6701733/amp/

It wasn’t right then and it’s not right now.

Ninfan – see Kimbers’ post

Quiet, mouth, we’re on a roll here.

https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/2839

Gordon is doing whatever he can to hold on to power. Shaun, for his part, is working on an economic package for Northern Ireland to win support from the DUP and other parties for Labour—a package to be proposed in the Queen’s Speech.

😆

@chakaping.

If you look at where the seats are situated, SF’s are boarder seats and DUP are Northern. SF republican and DUP unionist.

This is why we can’t have nice threads 🙁

So what happens if agreement can’t be reached and Queens speech is not just delayed but cancelled? what exactly are the next steps?

I see a lot of talk of ‘pruning’ the manifesto in order to seek agreement and deals, but doesn’t this undermine the already slim majority?
If the Conservatives only just ‘won’ presumably thats becasue the people that voted for them supported their policy/manifesto, so to renege on that undermines their own win doesn’t that effectively nullify that majority? (in principle if not in action)

Anyone else wondering, if the DUP are such objectionable ****, why do they have more MPs than anyone else in NI?

Sectarian headcount.

Trimble’s (more moderate in some ways) UUP fell apart after the Orange Order withdrew its support when it looked like peace was on the cards. Orangemen eh? Who’d have thought it? Jeffrey Donaldson’s (who has written in glowing terms of his time spent working for Enoch Powell, another of Zulu-Eleven’s heroes) defection to the DUP didn’t help either.

chakaping – Member
Anyone else wondering, if the DUP are such objectionable ****, why do they have more MPs than anyone else in NI?

You could say the same about the Tories on this side of the water, or any other majority party, ever.
😉

Demographics.

And despite their abhorent views they have SOME sensible policies.