Following on from this…

Anyone ridden both the PA and the 456 enough to be able to describe how the ride compares?

For the purposes of discussion, assume the fork to be a Pike

Just buy either, im sure you will be happy.

*in a morning grump*

I've ridden both and prefer the PA hence thats why i own one. Both good frames and they both do the long(ish) fork thing very well. The PA just edges it for me though as it has a more playful feel to it compared to the 456. If it's any help with frame sizing then i'm 5ft 11" and ride a 17", run it with 70mm stem and it's spot on for both climbing and looning.

EDIT – comments made based on the mkII PA. I understand the mkIII PA has the same geometry but the back end is supposedly a little stiffer and not as comfy to ride, cannot verify this though as not ridden a mkIII.

Really struggled with chainsuck on a 456 made me get rid of it nice ride when it worked though