Who would decide what is and isn’t offensive then ?
In this case it was the judiciary, seems like a fairly reasonable arbiter
INRAT
As many others I suspect. Freedom of speech is about people saying things you dont like. I may or may not be offended but I dont think it is a criminal matter. If people make crude remarks/jokes then feel free to ignore. You dont have a right not to be offended.
In this case it was the judiciary, seems like a fairly reasonable [s]arbiter[/s] [b]banter[/b]
FTFY
Freedom of speech is about people saying things you dont like.
That's great, if you're American. We don't have freedom of speech in this country. Few countries do.
Bad dog!
Looking at the youtube like/dislike ratio you really have to wonder about the small number of offended. Its like its their occupation, they could almost be professional at it.
I don't know the full context.
It's clearly offensive, but I don't think that should be illegal. A lot of humour is offensive.
The fact that he thought it was appropriate to meet with the EDL guy I think might be telling of his true feelings on the matter. But on the other hand, prosecuting for this will feed the "free speech is only for the lefty minorities" bullshit that EDL, Britain First etc. keep coming out with.
Buuut then again, if this guy is a massive racist/anti semetic, and does a video repeatedly saying "gas the jews" and posts it on youtube, and perhaps in the context of other incidents where the Police have interacted with the guy, it might be justified.
If it is just a case of the joke (which is in poor taste) and the fact he's making money out of it, are we going to see Frankie Boyle prosecuted? He's made a lot of jokes in incredibly poor taste, most of which I find amusing, but many find only offensive. And some suggestive of illegal acts.
It's not difficult Freedom of speech is not an absolute right in the UK, conditions on it are detailed in ECHR. Much as the libertards may get in a huff, making offensive communications is illegal in the UK and matey boy has been tried and convicted by an independent judiciary who said "It is self-evident that the material is antisemitic."
That’s great, if you’re American. We don’t have freedom of speech in this country. Few countries do.
All countries have "limitations" on free speech, your point seems a red herring.
All countries have “limitations” on free speech, your point seems a red herring.
Having the limitation set at whether offence is taken is such that<span style="font-size: 0.8rem;"> an American wouldn't recognise its as free speech, and many people do seem to talk about freedom of speech in American terms. </span>
if it IS just a prank on his girlfriend, why does he then feel compelled to film & broadcast it to the world, giggling like a naughty schoolboy
Cos that's how many people roll these days - 24 hour rolling You've Been Framed. Likelikelikelikelike.
I haven't watched the video or read any press articles about it so can't be offended and might well be wrong.
But, it does seem a bit weird to me that someone wants to play a prank on his girlfriend by teaching her dog to do something on a particular command, and then chooses that particular symbol and that particular command? Why not teach the dog to shit on the carpet whenever someone says 'strawberry milkshake'.
I don't see this as being a freedom of speech 'honest i'm joking' thing, just a blatantly being racist for racist sake thing, which is usually done to incite hatred, which I think is illegal.
But, it does seem a bit weird to me that someone wants to play a prank on his girlfriend by teaching her dog to do something on a particular command, and then chooses that particular symbol and that particular command? Why not teach the dog to shit on the carpet whenever someone says ‘strawberry milkshake’.
You might want to watch the video then. For context. The dog was the cutest thing in the world that his girlfriend loved. He turned it into a Nazi, the most repellent thing he could think of. That's the joke.
I don't think there was any danger of the dog actually gassing any jews.
Much as the libertards
Are you trolling or are you unaware of your hypocrisy?
Potentially imprisoning this man for a joke, is a joke. It sets a very dangerous precedent.
Frankie Boyle needs to watch his back, Jerry Sadowitz should probably go into hiding (I believe his people have form 😉 ).
You might want to watch the video then. For context. The dog was the cutest thing in the world that his girlfriend loved. He turned it into a Nazi, the most repellent thing he could think of. That’s the joke.
Sounds hilarious....
Sounds hilarious….
If that's the benchmark then Miranda Hart needs to join Frankie Boyle in hiding.
its interesting to note which contributors seems most intent on freedom of speech. We should start a thread on Jihadi free speech and campaigns for sharia law to see their true feelings on free speech
Free speech is not without limits [ nor is it in america ]and a court has ruled it offensive.
I have not seen the video but its bad taste and meeting with the EDL suggests he is off the far right and might just like that sort of thing rather than it just be a joke.
I have not seen the video but...
I'm amazed you're not fully behind him if you think he's an antisemite.
Only a complete moron would be amazed that i am not supporting a racist being racist
its interesting to note which contributors seems most intent on freedom of speech. We should start a thread on Jihadi free speech and campaigns for sharia law to see their true feelings on free speech
Committing violence, and inciting people to commit violent acts are real crimes with real victims. I'm not sure campaigning for a law based on a religion that the vast majority of the population don't follow is ever going to get legs.
You should watch the video, and subsequent videos where he explains aspects of the prosecution.
This was a show trial from the start.
Small point of order; Robinson left the EDL in 2013.
I don’t think there was any danger of the dog actually gassing any jews.
If there was then the dog would be in court with an attempted genocide charge. That is not what is happening here...
I have not seen the video but its bad taste and meeting with the EDL suggests he is off the far right and might just like that sort of thing rather than it just be a joke.
Why even comment and form an opinion of something you haven't even seen? You're just confirming your professionally offended persona. You'd need to be a complete moron to jump into a topic like this and make assertions about something you admit to not even having seen.
It's this kind of bullshit that propels the likes of the EDL. It gives them just enough room to wiggle their way into a situation to gain some publicity off the back of it.
You should watch the ...subsequent videos where he explains aspects of the prosecution.
Does he explain the aspect where the independent judiciary described the material he communicated as self evidently anti-Semitic?
The same independent judiciary who never get anything wrong?
independent judiciary
Nice sound bite.
What you actually mean is one person.
You do seem to be moving away from the fact that a man is facing gaol time for telling a ****ing joke.
The same independent judiciary who never get anything wrong?
For reference, this from the same judiciary individual,
https://www.cumbernauld-news.co.uk/news/crime/paedophile-shearer-spared-jail-time-1-4597351
Nice sound bite.
What you actually mean is one person.
I think you will find its a statement of fact, yes one person, independent of the PF who will also have assessed the evidence and decided it met the threshold for prosecution.
CF I've knicked people with far larger and worse hauls; Dave the man with the massive collection of baby rape photos and vids that made me throw up, who've got non-custodials. That press report doesn't have the classification of the images so it's not possible to say if the sentencing guidelines have been ignored but it sounds as though the sentence is in line with sentence guidelines so a bit of a non-point
Lets hope the appeal proves him wrong.
Committing violence, and inciting people to commit violent acts are real crimes with real victims.
true and the gassing of the jews was a holocaust . Whats your point?
Has anybody actually considered the possibility that the Pug might just be a massive racist Nazi bastard?
true and the gassing of the jews was a holocaust . Whats your point?
That making a joke does not cause violence, does not incite others to cause violence and does not murder six million Jews.
Watched the videos yet, or are we just exercising one's right to be a semi-professional argumentalist?
Has anybody actually considered the possibility that the Pug might just be a massive racist Nazi bastard?
See new evidence here:
😀
Furred Reich, innit?
are we just exercising one’s right to be a semi-professional argumentalist?
I assumed we were just having a discussion but i did appreciate the irony in you typing that. Cheers for the laugh.
Freedom of speech is about people saying things you dont like
Maybe that's where the confusion lies? People thinking that they must be offensive otherwise they're wasting their freedom of speech?
😀 bravo Flashy. That’s made my evening.
I assumed we were just having a discussion but i did appreciate the irony in you typing that. Cheers for the laugh.
I was just making the wild assumption that it would be easier to discuss the subject matter if you were aware of the subject matter.
Crazy, I know Junkyard.
Most good humour borders on the offensive.
I have severe misgivings about laws trying to suppress "thought crimes" and this is not far off it.
IIRC in the 1930s the royal family taught their kids to do funny Hitler salutes, and this doesn't look much different in scope.
At the start of video the guy explains that he's trying to get the cute dog to do the most offensive thing he can think of. I mean, having to explain your jokes is basic fail, but he goes ahead anyway. He could've maybe chosen a different command, but you can and should be able to make jokes about the holocaust.
IIRC in the 1930s the royal family taught their kids to do funny Hitler salutes, and this doesn’t look much different in scope.
To be fair, there were probably a few historical events involving Hitler shortly afterwards which might change the context.
Anyhow, now he's decided to get involved with Alex Jones and Infowars, the diagnosis is confirmed that he is a premier league douche who could use some time in lock-up.
Dog dressed in nazis uniform doing salute is funny.
Doing it to Gas the jews is not funny. At all.
He could’ve maybe chosen a different command, but you can and should be able to make jokes about the holocaust.
Why did the command need to be related to the Holocaust at all? Would a simple Heil Hitler have been less funny? (If you think the command 'Gas the Jews' is funny?)
I can't hold it any longer...
COUNT ****ULA
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"Does he explain the aspect where the independent judiciary described the material he communicated as self evidently anti-Semitic?"
That seems to miss the point completely? History books communicate material which is self evidently anti-semitic, Schindler's List communucates material which is self evidently anti-semitic, the news communucates material which is self evidently anti-semitic.
Watched some of the guy's other videos the other night, the one where he targets an alt-right guy and trolls him enough to get him banned doesn't suggest he's a nazi himself, to me. Don't think he's very funny, for the most part, but that's "dank" for you.
NSFW. Very sweary.
Provides my somethingion whilst avoiding the swear filter.