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I guess it won't be too much of a surprise to most given the recent stories around Zarah Sultana leaving the Labour party but it looks like Jeremy has finally broken ground on announcing their new political party.
Or at least the intention to form a new party which may or may not be called Your Party.
Seems like this could be a fairly positive move, assuming we get a chance to put proportional representation into the government elections at some point.
The Deluded Magic Money Tree Party. Bit long, i suppose.
Announcing your launch, promptly unannouncing it, immediately dividing into 2 rival factions, despite only having only 2MPs, briefing against each other, 6 weeks silence then reanouncing your launch, but with no name?
Great start!
To quote Malcolm Tucker:
Oh… Laurel and Hardy… nice of you to finally join us. Did you have trouble getting the piano up the the stairs? 😂
I thought the new party was called Fruit and Nut?
The Deluded Magic Money Tree Party.
Laurel and Hardy
Ah, the schoolyard name-calling, so much more fun than boring grownup politics !
weeks silence then reanouncing your launch, but with no name?
And no policies either ! What sort of political party has no policies?!?!
Honestly I've got milk in the fridge that will age better than yourparty
Well at least Richard Burgan now has somewhere to go, bless him.
If he’s not jumped ship before the end of the week then this new party, such as it is, really is stillborn
well, i guess all the "labour" left supporters, who have been apoplectic since labour actually won power, can now re-align to a party with no hope of ever winning anything.
will the right and the media let him blow his bubble much before they burst it?
The one you keep telling us is leading all the polls?
Sorry, couldn't resist.
No need to apologise but your point isn't clear. Reform UK has been leading every opinion poll since mid-April, what is the connection with this party that doesn't even have a name yet? They haven't got policies either?
so much more fun than boring grownup politics !
That ship sailed long ago.
can now re-align to a party with no hope of ever winning anything.
Well you could do that by just aligning with the Labour Party, so that wasn't something which was lacking.
Is there anyone who honestly believes that the Labour Party stands any chance of winning the next general election, and any of the elections between now and then?
Actually on reflection there probably is.......no one should underestimate the level of denial of the reality of the political situation in the UK, especially among centrists.
Can't help but think Sultana and Corbyn are a terrible combination. She's young, ambitious and likes being the centre of attention, he's an old idealist with not much of an ego who doesn't want the responsiblity of leadership. Hardly a surprise they're clashing, and they've probably got very different ideas about what this party should do and how it should operate. There's definitely space for a left-populist anti-establishment party, but I doubt this is it. At best it'll win the votes of the politically engaged leftwing working class but there's not many of them, and all the liberal middle class lefties are already voting for the Green Party.
My bet - disappear into obscurity in 5 years having first made sure we do not get a labour government next time. Much like all other groups that have split off labour over the years.l
So the right wing nutters can join reform and the left wing nutters can join this rabble. I guess it gives the loony left a home to go to and leave the Labour Party to get on with governing for the next 4 years
so how many parties of the far left does that make it? SWP are still going IIRC, this lot, Scottish socialist party, workers party, trade union and socialist party, 3 at least calling themselves communist parties numerous socialist parties and various other rag tag groups
Splitters!
Hardly a surprise they're clashing
I haven't really seen any evidence of that. Zarah Sultana is not a particularly experienced politician so a level of naivety is to be expected, are perhaps misinterpreting that? I have no doubt that the new party will attract people with a lot of political experience.
So the right wing nutters can join reform and the left wing nutters can join this rabble. I guess it gives the loony left a home to go to
What a great time to be a centrist !
What could possibly go wrong ?!?!
I have no doubt that the new party will attract people with a lot of political experience.
Not of actually acheiving anything. Just a load of talking. All mouth and trousers
My bet - disappear into obscurity in 5 years having first made sure we do not get a labour government next time.
Nah Starmer will deserve all the credit for that along with the self professed grown ups who think that chasing the reform vote with "island of strangers" and the epping thugs are "upset for legitimate reasons" is a good tactic.
If there was ever a time we needed PR it's now, or very soon.
Shame Starmer and his cronies hate the idea isnt it? Since after all if we had PR they couldnt try the "who else will they vote for" bollocks.
I have no doubt that the new party will attract people with a lot of political experience.
Not of actually acheiving anything. Just a load of talking. All mouth and trousers
So you have decided that this political party in the making won't achieve anything after already accusing them of being responsible for the fact that Labour won't be winning the next general election. That's quite something!
If they are going to have that much effect on UK politics the Labour Party better start taking the alleged threat they pose very seriously.
A bit like how Starmer now appears to be taking the threat posed by Reform UK quite seriously.
Oh dear, what is a centrist supposed to do in such a situation........ become bigoted and racist and lurch to the right, or lurch to the left and become all inclusive?? Such a predicament!
Btw I don't understand your reference to trousers, what do you mean by "all trousers"?
This is the statement released today by the two interim leaders
Our movement is made up of people of all faiths and none. The great dividers want you to think that the problems in our society are caused by migrants or refugees. They're not. They are caused by an economic system that protects the interests of corporations and billionaires. It is ordinary people who create the wealth and it is ordinary people who have the power to put it back where it belongs.
It's time for a new kind of political party. One that is rooted in our communities, trade unions and social movements. One that builds power in all regions and nations. One that belongs to you.
Sign up at www.yourparty.uk to be part of the founding process, leading to an inaugural conference. At this conference, you will decide the party's direction, the model of leadership and the policies that are needed to transform society. That is how we build a democratic movement that can take on the rich and powerful - and win.
Real change is coming.
Is there anyone who honestly believes that the Labour Party stands any chance of winning the next general election, and any of the elections between now and then?
If the Internet is to be believed (I know, I know) it seems highly unlikely. Every third post anywhere that allows comments is "well, what do you expect with this government?" It's like complaining you've got herpes whilst conveniently ignoring your previous 15 years of leprosy. I'd bet good money that this thread will go the same way, the usual suspects will channel their Inner Binner as soon as the word 'Corbyn' is mentioned.
Starmer is a car crash of a politician but really, who else would you have in charge? Ed Davey? Garage is gaining traction (again, we still haven't learned) because his "bloke from down the pub" persona is, in fact, a bloke down the pub whereas Starmer is as about as charismatic as matt undercoat. Prior to this we had Sunak whose idea of demonstrating being a Man Of The People was to stage a photo opportunity on a garage forecourt, presumably thinking that what this country really needed was a man whose aides could help him tell the difference between diesel and unleaded.
Reform UK will win next time around, by a landslide. 100% guaranteed. If you added up all the red, yellow and blue voters together Reform would probably still win because currently everyone hates Labour, everyone hates the Tories and no-one overly cares about the Lib Dems; meanwhile, reform sounds like a good idea doesn't it.
Let's face it. It's a cult of personality with no currently viable alternative, and whilst a viable alternative is probably exactly what British politics needs right now "thank **** Corbyn is back" said precisely no-one. How far back in time do we have to go to reach the last popular Prime Minister, the 1970s? We're in luck if so because that's exactly where we're headed.
Is there anyone who honestly believes that the Labour Party stands any chance of winning the next general election, and any of the elections between now and then?
I think we've all seen how quickly things can turn around in politics.
Actually on reflection there probably is.......no one should underestimate the level of denial of the reality of the political situation in the UK, especially among centrists.
How do you define "centrists" and what's your issue with them?
Shame Starmer and his cronies hate the idea [of PR] isnt it?
It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. In many (most? all?) recent cases the party in power probably wouldn't be there if we had PR. So they're hardly going to vote in favour of it (ie, against their own self-interests) regardless of what colour rosette they're wearing. They should of course - was it Churchill who said something like "country before party"? - but they won't.
How far back in time do we have to go to reach the last popular Prime Minister, the 1970s?
Between 1997 and 2001, before the thing that he did that makes everyone forget the good stuff that he did...
"thank **** Corbyn is back" said precisely no-one.
Except for the soon to be franchised youth
But whilst Labour remain clearly the most popular party amongst this age group, the most popular politician was Jeremy Corbyn.
Personally I very much doubt that Corbyn wants to remain co-leader and it is only a provisional role whilst the party decides both its structures and long-term leadership.
If they opt for a party leader in conventional form in UK politics it will be my first disappointment, although I doubt that they will.
Except for the soon to be franchised youth
Makes sense I suppose, they're probably too young to have paid much attention to the absolute lambasting / smear campaign the gutter press launched against him last time around.
I had seen the poll which put the potential new left-wing party on 10% of the vote, which is fairly impressive for a party which hasn't even been formed, but I hadn't seen this more recent one which put them level pegging with Labour at 15%
https://www.lbc.co.uk/politics/uk-politics/corbyn-sultana-party-labour-polling/
Perhaps the centrists should do the decent thing and not split the anti-right wing vote ?
They had their chance, and blew it, now is perhaps the time to step aside and let others tackle the growing hard-right threat which they clearly have been unable to contain.
Is there anyone who honestly believes that the Labour Party stands any chance of winning the next general election, and any of the elections between now and then?
yes - quite likely they will be the largest party in my view - so long as this bunch do not split off the left vote
all mouth and trousers = all talk and no action
What makes this grouping anything more than another hard left faction?
It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. In many (most? all?) recent cases the party in power probably wouldn't be there if we had PR.
Thats not the scottish experience
It's ****ing enraging to hear all these self-styled Leftists saying "well, if there was PR then 'real' left parties would be wildly successful". We've had PR in Scotland and Wales and Northern Ireland and London for over 20 years, and that's not how it's panned out. But these people are just as Anglocentric as Farage so they have no knowledge or interrdt in such things...
Sort of - first scottish parliament we had 6 Scottish socialist party MSPs and they actually achieved something in forcing an end to warrant sales. However they descended into factionalism ( with a side helping of a sex scandal) and none have been elected since.
As I pointed out above - this new party is just another leftist faction. If they actually combined perhaps they could acheive something
What makes this grouping anything more than another hard left faction?
Well for a start Jeremy Corbyn isn't hard left. Have you been reading the Daily Mail again TJ?
And secondly it has no structures, no policies, and not even a name, so it is kind of difficult to pass judgement on them.
The only known certainty about them is that they are attempting to make pitch on the left of the UK political spectrum, an area which is sparsely populated compared to the rather overcrowded right of the UK political spectrum, so on that basis I wish them well.
Ill place a bet now ( pastry based)
1) that this party do not get more than half a dozen MPS and probably none
2) that they take enough votes off labour and the greens to ensure a right wing government next time
Well for a start Jeremy Corbyn isn't hard left. Have you been reading the Daily Mail again TJ?
good point minus the insult 🙂
they are attempting to make pitch on the left of the UK political spectrum, an area which is sparsely populated compared to the rather overcrowded right of the UK political spectrum, so on that basis I wish them well.
Errmmm -= I just listed a dozen political parties in that space 🙂 thats the problem.
Corbyn continues in his life-long project to sabotage the UK left and the European project.
Well, a man's got to have a hobby
Well I for one like Jezza and his style of politics, the only time I voted labour was when he was leader, I wish him and his new party all the best.
It's ****ing enraging to hear all these self-styled Leftists saying "well, if there was PR then 'real' left parties would be wildly successful".
I would suggest then you dont go all daily ****ing mail inventing shit to get outraged about.
Its fascinating how whenever PR is mentioned there is a bunch of people who just spew out this sort of simplistic bollocks.
2) that they take enough votes off labour and the greens to ensure a right wing government next time
Nope thats going to be purely down to Starmer and his right wing government. Perhaps he shouldnt purge the left whilst appeasing the hard right?
Radical concept for a labour leader I know but even Blair managed it.
Radical concept for a labour leader I know but even Blair managed it.
Blair took the labour party rightwards at least as much as Starmer has and in some ways more.
After 6 weeks of discussion they stilll don’t have a name. What’s the smart money on? The Popular Front? The Peoples Front? The Popular Peoples Front?
