I'd never heard of them before but they seem to be some of the most obnoxious folk winding up the public ,the police, security filming folk but if anyone objects they then claim assault and phone the police for help
I didn't know you could film anyone's face and stick it on you tube
I hope there are none on here
I recently had some sponsored (WTF) videos shown to me of 'auditors' in action on facebook. Have since deleted the facebook app again...
I just don't get it - they seem to deliberately antagonise business operators to cause a row and accuse them of assault, even though on the couple of videos I saw they initiated an altercation. If they want to fly a drone over a site, are licensed and want to share the videos/report some form of non-compliance to the relevant body then fair play to them, but why they need to stand in plain sight and make a nuisance of themselves to create confrontation is beyond me, regardless of their legal rights, it's just effing stupid.
There's been a couple of threads on here about them.
They are "interesting" types that's for sure. Gifters in the main with a few genuinely believing they are doing some weird "public service."
There have indeed been a few previous threads:
https://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/auditors/
https://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/thoughts-about-the-auditing-videos-on-youtube/
Oh, op, check out Sovereign Citizens, they are a sub species of auditors. They too started in America and have a foothold over here now thanks to the batshittery of the 'net. They are pretty amazing to watch. In essence, they don't think laws apply to them due to the Magna Carta and whatever else they want to rope in to support their views. 😆
Sovereign citizens are six cans short of a six pack and highly entertaining. A lot of their perceived rights appear to be based on some archaic maritime traditions.
they seem to be some of the most obnoxious folk winding up the public ,the police, security filming folk but if anyone objects they then claim assault and phone the police for help
These are the wallopers who stroll onto private land to film and then get all "free man of the land" when security breathes on them, yes? I remember the previous thread.
One part Flat Earth, three parts "this will get me clicks, cha-ching." It's like that nutbag cyclist who spends his life goading motorists and then screaming out licence plate numbers when he finally gets the reaction he craves. It's monetised attention-seeking.
They are far right agitators and should be regarded as such.
Unfortunately their actions could cause acceptable freedoms like taking photographs in public to be reconsidered.
Like the rest of the far right, they just make life shittier for everyone.
The only thing you can do is if you know one personally, tell them.
I hope there are none on here
ISTR that on previous threads on this subject, a few have spoken up in defence of it. I wouldn't be surprised if we have a few on here. Or a least a few who think they are doing a good thing, even if they don't wave cameras at security guards themselves. The couple I had the misfortune to watch came across as arrogant, shit stirring bellends looking to provoke a response from people just trying to do their job, and crying like babies when they got one.
ISTR that on previous threads on this subject, a few have spoken up in defence of it. I wouldn’t be surprised if we have a few on here.
I'd be surprised if we didn't, we have everything else.
Conceptually I can get behind it, it is at least on paper guerrilla investigative journalism. Asking questions is good. Except, it's not, not really. It's antagonising low-paid workers into becoming the next Ronnie Pickering. It's cruel.
Round them up, dispose of them.
Delusional ignorant pathetic objects whi serve no useful purpose.
Ronnie Pickering
Who?
Who?
Ronnie Pickering.
They don't come across well but it is enjoyable to see little Hitler cops or security get schooled.
Why would you go out Ur way to antagonise someone while they go about their job…..sad individuals
Because people are inherently voyeuristic, and artificially manufacturing conflict pays top dollar.
See also: fury erupting every second Tuesday in the tabloids, or the opposite carriageway grinding to a halt after a vehicle collision.
cynic-alFree Member
They don’t come across well but it is enjoyable to see little Hitler cops or security get schooled.
Whilst I get what you mean, the trouble is that educating that cop on paragraph 4, subsection 3 of the right to enter a police compound as long as you are carrying a ferret under both arms, according to a law made in 1827... Stops that copper responding to a stabbing in the high street or a wife getting beaten up by her drunk husband back from a heavy night/day out.
They don’t come across well but it is enjoyable to see little Hitler cops or security get schooled.
I don't really think that "schooled" is the right word here. "Challenged" or "belittled" perhaps, degraded even. But these wallopers aren't in a position to be schooling anyone.
I've had occasional run-ins with your 'little Hitler' types over the years but the difference is, I didn't set out to actively seek it.
the trouble is that educating that cop on paragraph 4, subjection 3 of the right to enter a police compound as long as you are carrying a ferret under both arms, according to a law made in 1827…
... and probably isn't a law any more anyway. They're into "no free man..." Magna Carta territory here.
I've found over the years that the more someone screams "I know my rights!!" the less likely it is that they actually do.
… and probably isn’t a law any more anyway. They’re into “no free man…” Magna Carta territory here.
I’ve found over the years that the more someone screams “I know my rights!!” the less likely it is that they actually do.
I'm most definitely biased here with my lad being in the police!
I think I now liken coppers to being the justice rubbish of being GP's, they need to have a good working knowledge of everything but for the minutae of law you get referred to a specialist. Which is a senior officer, CPS or a magistrate I suppose.
I know I could never do his job, they have to deal with some types of people a lot of the time that I've spent my whole life avoiding whenever possible. It's not for me.
I think the best way to deal with them is to walk up, ask what they're about, and when they explain say, yeah ok, turn around and walk away.
With nobody bothering to pay them any attention they'll get bored and leave before too long. They are seeking attention, and the best way to combat that is not to give them any.
Much like those who go to art galleries and glue themselves to the floor/wall.
Herd the public out, close the doors and switch off the lights, leaving them alone in the dark.
dyna-tiFull Member
I think the best way to deal with them is to walk up, ask what they’re about, and when they explain say, yeah ok, turn around and walk away.
Yep, totally agree. Where my lad is stationed they are told not to engage with them other than where there is a statutory need. My lad hasn't had the pleasure of meeting any but his station has been visited in the past apparently.
It's a funny old world. The thing is, I totally agree that cops need to be held accountable (who wouldn't?) but this isn't in the same universe as doing that.
BoardinBobFull Member
Any “auditor’ needs their hard drive checked and put on a watch list
See, that's where I have difficulty. I think these auditors are dicks but I also don't want a police state. I think the best thing to do is ignore them.
’m most definitely biased here with my lad being in the police!
I think I now liken coppers to being the justice rubbish of being GP’s, they need to have a good working knowledge of everything but for the minutae of law you get referred to a specialist. Which is a senior officer, CPS or a magistrate I suppose.
Indeed.
I wouldn't expect your average copper to know the law beyond what's expected of them day-to-day. That's not to undermine the role, rather it's not their job.
I watched one of these fly-on-the-wall Police Interceptors shows earlier today. One of the patrols felt the collar of a ne'er-do-well and then radioed back to the office to check on the details of where they stood ahead of arrest and investigation. The system works as intended.
They don’t come across well but it is enjoyable to see little Hitler cops or security get schooled.
The ones I've seen are as thick as mince and in no position to 'school' anyone. Bullying and antagonising people trying to earn an honest crust, often for not much more than minimum wage, just to get YouTube likes. Pretty shitty behaviour imo.
Oh dear. A bit of balance.
For every walloping dick swallower, there's usual a thick thug in blue happy to overreach his/her/its authority because they think they're the omnipotent, omnipresent invokers of the LAW.
I agree some of the 'auditors' come over as complete tosseurs but they're usually equally matched by the paramilitary dick heads that swarm like wasps at the mere hint of a teenage boy with a camera phone.
I also think the coppers are usually a pretty good match for their 'clients' differentiated only by the uniform...
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More please – feed my guilty pleasure…
Do Not Feed The Troll?
As I said, I've had 'differences of opinion' with those in positions of power or pseudo-power. But to tar everyone in uniform as a "thick thug" makes you no better those thugs you denigrate.
At the end of the day they're just people, you're going to get good ones and bad ones. I've had good and bad roofers, good and bad GPs, good and bad shop assistants, good and bad technical support... etc etc. Neither the police nor private security types are immune from this.
Oi! I'm not a troll. How very dare you...
Yeah I know I'm generalising but it seems, the infantry seem to be manned mostly by the thickos. Clearly if you're expected to jump in every Saturday night, too much critical thinking capacity can be a bad thing.
As for good and bad. I'm less inclined to be understanding with our 'boys in blue'. When you get a bad roofer, it might look a bit shit or leak. Get a bad copper and you could be bashed up, inside, raped or even dead - under the colour of law. I expect much, much more from the people Policing me than say my Postman or Milkman.
boblo
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Oh dear. A bit of balance.For every walloping dick swallower, there’s usual a thick thug in blue happy to overreach his/her/its authority because they think they’re the omnipotent, omnipresent invokers of the LAW.
On a personal level I'm most definitely biased as I said but I'm not blind. When my son mentioned the career move I was ambivalent. We had many a chat about the police and still do.
I remember chatting about the fact he would likely have to rub shoulders with cops that he would really question as to why they joined up. Such if life in any career but given the specifics of this job it could be far more problematic.
We also chatted about how it would change his life in unexpected ways. People could potentially intensity dislike him or even his Mrs/ kid because of his job, no matter how good it fair he was at it. I also reminded him of the obvious, that a large part of his job would be telling people they can't do something they want to do or have already done. People just don't like that. Many times that person will be extremely emotional or drunk/ drugged and hence are not thinking clearly. There'll also be occasions when he will see death or the abject cruelty humankind is capable of, particularly to the weak or vulnerable. I suppose I didn't/dont want the job to change him though I acknowledge it would and possibly must to some degree or he would be left scarred by what he would see.
I'm waffling on but I know a few of his cohort, all been in the force only a year, all in their teens/20's and they've already seen things that would make me question my career choice instantly.
I've had low level negative experience with police over the decades but when you *really* need one, they are the only people you want to see.
Anyway, I'm not defending a whole institution, just one mid 20's lad that's at work till late tonight and he's a good'un.👍
boblo
Yeah I know I’m generalising but it seems, the infantry seem to be manned mostly by the thickos.
My lad would not claim to be Einstein but he doesn't meet many Leonardo's on a Saturday evening either.
Though some of them are artists. 😉😁
@poopscoop I know I'm generalising and you're right, there are good uns and despite everything, you want them around when it all goes shit shaped. I'm sure yours is one if the good guys so apologies if he got swept up into my generalisation.
Hopefully your lad will be bright eyed and bushy tailed after another 5 years in the job and not get infected with the institutional cynicism that seems to pervade after a bit of exposure. It must be really difficult to keep going and resist when surrounded by people who have given in.
<edit> Let's not forget, some of the infantry are transitional. Your lad at 1 year may be on his way to better things. I was thinking more of the PC after 20 years service than people at the start of their careers.
Canary in the coal mine
The auto sores are, frequently, utter penises - bit being a penis isn’t illegal in our country, and you only need to see a couple of videos to see how poorly many police officers cope with someone standing their ground and refusing to give their information when not legally obliged to do so.
The number of police overreactions, unlawful arrests, or just incidents of police officers trying to bullshit their way through interactions with the public are quite startling…. And once you realise that if they are getting the law/ their powers so badly wrong these interactions, they are almost certainly doing just as poor a job when dealing with normal members of the public, thrn you realise what every experienced copper has been saying for years - “job’s f***ed…”
boblo
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@pooscoop I know I’m generalising and you’re right, there are good uns and despite everything, you want them around when it all goes shit shaped. I’m sure yours is one if the good guys so apologies if he got swept up into my generalisation.Hopefully your lad will be bright eyed and bushy tailed after another 5 years in the job and not get infected with the institutional cynicism that seems to pervade after a bit of exposure. It must be really difficult to keep going and resist when surrounded by people who have given in.
Genuinely, not an ounce of offence taken.
As you allude to, I do worry about him, physically of course but the emotional toll too.
For reasons I wont go into, a nasty piece of work had a large input into his earlier life. I lost many, many nights sleep over the effect it would have on him as I was powerless to remove this influence from his life.
I needn't have worried as it turned out, I can say with absolute cold, hard analytical lack of favour that he's got a good and kind heart.
So now, I worry about that at night in bed, his new career!
Yah' can't bloody win. 😁
@poopscoop "Stops that copper responding..." - the copper is the one wasting taxpayers money here, once they know their limits they'll have more time for more important work - who knows how much more time they wasting on similar stuff presently? (I'm no expert, but have been stopped for basically wearing a hoodie).
I watched one of these fly-on-the-wall Police Interceptors shows ...
Seriously @Cougar, one piece of a TV programme means everything is ok?
But to tar everyone in uniform as a “thick thug"
You've just called auditors all sorts of things
Well this has taken a turn. They’re not auditors, they are content creators. They are out to piss people off and get views, comments and subscribers. Best ignored or mocked.
Seriously @Cougar, one piece of a TV programme means everything is ok?
I didn't say that at all. Rather I presented an anecdote in isolation. Draw or leap to your own conclusions as you see fit.
You’ve just called auditors all sorts of things
Well, I called them one thing and I've yet to see evidence to the contrary. Do you have reason to believe that there are "auditors" who aren't being deliberately antagonistic in order to stir up lucrative clickbait YT content?
You said
The system works as intended.
That's an "anecdote in isolation"?
Neither of us have watched all the auditor videos going. In your opinion they are wallopers etc. Videos I've seen have them doing perfectly legal things then getting challenged by cops who have no professional basis to do so from what I can see (usually way more than one) and standing up to them. Sure they can get a bit arsey, who wouldn't understand that given the level of uniformed intimidation?
Equally I've not met any of them, don't know their stories etc, so I'm not getting into name calling. Sorry but you are being hypocritical here
cynic-al
Free Member
@poopscoop “Stops that copper responding…” – the copper is the one wasting taxpayers money here, once they know their limits they’ll have more time for more important work – who knows how much more time they wasting on similar stuff presently?
Who knows eh?
You said
The system works as intended.
That’s an “anecdote in isolation”?
I said "one of the patrols..." Maybe I should have said "the system works as intended in that particular case." But, naively, I wasn't expecting such a degree of pointless pedantry.
Neither of us have watched all the auditor videos going. In your opinion they are wallopers etc.
Of course. But how many do we have to watch before we're into the realms of "beyond reasonable doubt"? Do we have to watch two thousand Flat Earth videos in the hope that 2001 might be the doozy which blows it all open?
Do you have a non-walloper auditor video to offer as a counterpoint?
Wannabe journalists that even the Daily Mail wouldn't care to entertain.
