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Why did you edit out this bit.....?
I know the buyer and have ridden with him quite a few times. A more straight-up guy you'll never meet. However, your rather dodgy sales practices mark you down as something else.RealMan - Member
I think what happened was he agreed to purchase them, paid for them, received them, then saw a better deal elsewhere so went over them with a magnifying glass trying to find a reason to demand a refund.
Haven't read the OP, or any of the replies.
Might be worth a look 😉
Well we can all draw our own conclusions when the photos are posted up can't we?
Ok, fine, had a quick scan of the thread.
Yes, maybe the way I said "these pics aren't mine" or whatever, was slightly vague, although surely it's obvious what I meant.
Had plenty of other people who asked for pictures and got them, and I was emailing quite a few people at the time, so I think I just got confused and thought the buyer had already seen pictures of them.
But as quite a few of you say, if the brakes are actually battered to pieces then I'm in the wrong, if they're not, the buyer is in the wrong. So I think my description is fairly irrelevant, just a side note, and I will make sure I'm crystal clear from now on.
That is, if the buyer hasn't destroyed my reputation completely with this thread.
If you think the brakes are really worth what you sold them for, offer a full refund and sell them again - but this time with actual photos?
You're doing quite a good job of that yourself.RealMan - Member
That is, if the buyer hasn't destroyed my reputation completely with this thread.
Realman -
Hopefully Jimmy will post the pics and then we will see where the truth lies. Or have you got pics to post?
^^^^^^^^ He speaketh sense. ^^^^^^
Or have you got pics to post?
this from tandem
Had plenty of other people who asked for pictures and got them
this from seller, means he has so a comparison of seller and buyer pics would resolve all I think
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and had made him an even higher partial refund offer, but never got a reply
The even higher £15 offer which you offered after saying you were tired of my insults? I did reply, so in case you really didn't see it:
From: James Hatfield (xyz@hotmail.co.uk)
Sent: 13 January 2012 12:31:33
To: Humby George (xyz@xyz.uk)Insults? I'm only stating facts. In that sense your original advert is the biggest insult.
All the best,
Jim
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paid for them, received them, then saw a better deal
Change that to paid for them, received them, then realised the goods didn't fit the description.
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saw a better deal elsewhere so went over them with a magnifying glass
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The actual marks the buyer is complaining about are nearly non-existent IMO.
[url= http://www.flickr.com/photos/74342282@N04/ ]Make your own minds up people.[/url]
first time on flickr, so hope the pics show.
EDIT: Goddamit I hate this shit. I feel like such a pedant, but FFS...
They are shagged, give the bloke his money back you ****
LOL - I've just seen the URL of the photo posted by the seller.[img] 
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Wow. They're pretty knackered.
Only just seen this. [b]Haven't read the OP, or any of the replies.[/b]
*cough* Bullshit *cough*
...oh and I cannot believe you ripped off the guy from Metallica.
That is, if the buyer hasn't destroyed my reputation completely with this thread
I gave you ample chance before this thread started and as I said all along, I've only stated facts.
Shagged.
Give the OP his money back and stop dissembling, if you really care about your reputation.
I don't know him well but jimmy strikes me as a straight up guy...and old/mature enough not to behave as realman suggests.
realman is IIRC quite young? Not as young as he looks in [i]that[/i] pic of course 😛
first time on flickr, so hope the pics show.
From the pics the most noticable things are.
1. Laminate floors always look crap.
2. Use reflectors or a light box to avoid harsh shadows.
3. They look well used and if this was the description used on which the price was based, then I'd be pissed off paying top dollar.
very very good condition, don't think they have any marks or real signs of wear on them anywhere
they may well be in good working condition, but they clearly have marks on them.
It now all comes down to price and how much RealMan values his reputation.
Got to love the internet.
shame the only thing that will happen to realman is he'll come back as realman2 or some other psuedonym, as he will now be added to most peoples shonky list
they look pretty ropey to be honest.
do the right thing real[s]man[/s]boy, accept that you are wrong, here's a chance to become a realman....... 😀
very very good condition, don't think they have
any marks or real signs of wear on them
anywhere
this is clearly not accurate. refund and proper apology required...
hmmm, I would have described them as "used in good condition, normal wear and tear"
Whilst having to sell them again is a pain, I do think it would be best to refund. You know what this forum is like and as a regular your reputation is worth more than a few quid. Alternatively refund to a satisfactory amount as the brakes still work and they will get more scratches. Check ebay and this forum for a fair price.
Look pretty much like what i would expect second hand tbh - caliper aside- ie wear and tear /signs of use
they do not look like this
very very good condition, don't think they have any marks or real signs of wear on them anywhere
Do the right thing RM and sort it
FWIW I like your presence on here but we all make mistakes. How you deal with it is how you will be judged IMHO.
Both of you learn a lesson - make sure the person has pics and all this could have been avoided
They certainly are not "shagged" or "ropey" they are just used, if you ride a bike stuff looks like that.
Not good at all. I'd be really pissed.
Jimmy - suggest you keep an eye on his postings for a while and post a link to this thread when he offers things for sale
There's a lot to be said for posting positive feedback when we get excellent service from a seller, and the opposite applies.
To me they are in good used condition. A bit both ways perhaps but for the price and description I would be disappointed to get those.
Both of you learn a lesson - make sure the person has pics and all this could have been avoided
Wise words indeed.
Clear cut. Give the chap his money back. Now.
Nothing lost, just resell them.
It looks like a clear case of dishonesty otherwise.
The brakes aren't as described, simple as that.
Refund
tails - Member
They certainly are not "shagged" or "ropey" they are just used, if you ride a bike stuff looks like that
That may be true but they most certainly are not:
very very good condition, don't think they have any marks or real signs of wear on them anywhere
The seller has embroidered the truth and the buyer made the schoolboy error of not getting pics of the real goods.
Either compromise or refund. I'd be looking for a refund.
1) realman. A Real Man would just do the right thing, if you do then you can easily come back from this. Everyone makes mistakes, it's how you put them right that counts.
2) To others I don't think you should take this as a typical example of classifieds behaviour. I've bought and sold a reasonable amount of stuff on here and never ever been burned. I just had a lovely experience with nedrapier, and I think the general behaviour on here is exceptional. Don't be put off.
exactly what boblo said. theyre not in that bad condition, why say they were almost new?
Full refund including postage.
To others I don't think you should take this as a typical example of classifieds behaviour.
Agreed, and I haven't thanked enough people for things bought in the past - I will do from now on.
Tails, they are not as described though. I keep my stuff mint and if sell anything on here photo every mark so the buyer knows what they are getting. If i bought based on realmans description I'd be well p1ssed off. Buyer has been naive, not my pics says to me this is what they looked like when I bought them used 6 months ago, but poor form by real man to use such pics and then argue on description.
Full refund, ebay, and OP doesn't paypal gift in future.
I think these are in similar condition
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Avid-Elixir-cr-Brakes-Grey-/260930265489
and on that basis realman owns the buyer 50 quid or full refund.
Gimme an r [b]R[/b]
Gimme an e [b]E[/b]
Gimme an f [b]F[/b]
Gimme a u [b]U[/b]
Gimme an n [b]N[/b]
Gimme a d [b]D[/b]
realman - give Jimmy his money back and restore peoples confidence in you selling and the classified's! I sell and buy stuff from here and rarely have a bad experience. Otherwise its karma time!
It’s fair to say that RealMan hasn’t covered himself in glory with this transaction.
Best thing to do would be for him to make proper reparation, along with a donation to the classifieds forum. Once that’s been done all should put it down to experience and move on.
Hopefully this thread doesn’t descend into a hate fest for people to get all third party righteous and indignant over.
What's that spell?
[b][u]REFUND[/u][/b]
Do the decent thing fella. I'm pretty slack about such things but even I wouldn't describe those as very very good condition.
I would describe them as well used.
Realman, give the guy his money back.
Can I get a [i]Refund[/i]?
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Bo Selecta I tell thee!
I think this thread is quite funny. But then, I'm not involved, so I would. 😆
Best thing to do would be for him to make proper reparation, along with a donation to the classifieds forum. Once that’s been done all should put it down to experience and move on.
I think the best thing to do would be for everyone else to butt out as it's got flip all to do with them, and they're not helping the situation in any way, only inflaming things further. Speshly Onion.
One thing that hazunt bin ascertained, is, and this is really quite important, is:
Beyond some relatively minor cosmetic marks as far as we can tell, do the brakes actually function properly?
behave, Effin'and this is really quite important, is:Beyond some relatively minor cosmetic marks as far as we can tell, do the brakes actually function properly?
That's not "really quite important" in this situation - that is a fundamental requirement and ANY honest seller should state if something isn't fully functional
It's about description "very very good condition, no marks or signs of wear" That is very important to some people, either just for looks or else as a sign of the level of use (and care) they've had.
do the brakes actually function properly?
Kinda irrelevant as my whole point is that they don't fit the description in the advert. Speaking of which, I noticed this:
I think my description is fairly irrelevant
How would the description in an advert ever be irrelevant? *continues to amaze me*
Plus, they have not been fitted to a bike yet to be tested. I wouldn't want to scratch them now, would I?
Elfinsafety - Member
Can I get a Refund?Bo Selecta I blah blah blah
OK, thanks for that.
What has been established?
Front and rear for sale, these ones
No they are not.