Nope, that's not what I'm saying, what I'm saying is that amongst it, anti-semites and neo-nazis are present and that it's useful to be wary of the way in which some of the 'criticism'
Yeah, I think we know what you're saying. I haven't a bollocking clue what your point is though?
Are you saying we should stop criticising the Zionist expansionist state because a crowd of fringe nutters are jumping on our holier than thou bandwagon?
I will never forget the bravery of Mordechai Vanunu[b]Nor will many other people, your point is caller?[/b]
I was hoping you'd ask me what my point was........thank you 8)
Mordechai Vanunu is back in the news this week. Well actually he isn't...... [i]that's the point[/i] - he should be.
Because he is one of Israel's leading dissidents and the Israeli government have just thrown him back in prison.
But he doesn't make the headlines and the TV news because the agenda is set by the US and Israel. And it is unacceptable to say or report bad things about Israel........the Jews suffered terribly under the Nazis - doncha know ? People who criticise Israel are anti-Semitic and racist.
If Mordechai Vanunu was a leading Iranian dissident and had just been thrown back into prison by the Iranian authorities, then he would probably have made top billing on BBC news. But then criticising the Iranians isn't racist, you see.
If course the irony of all this is that it is the Palestinians, if anyone, who are the victims of racism - not the Israelis.
If only the Palestinians spoke with that Harvard educated accent which Israeli government spokesmen invariably seem to have ...... instead of making those strange rasping foreign sounds.
If only the Palestinians looked more like Europeans, just like Israelis invariably seem to do, instead of looking like the pure Semites which they actually are.
If only the Palestinians didn't look so much like dirty Arabs........then perhaps, we might feel more sympathetic towards them about having their lands stolen.
Far more of the anti-Palestinian sentiments smack of racism than the anti-Israeli ones.
Anyone seen this video on the news of Israelis celebrating the attack, outside the Turkish embassy in Tel Aviv?
Thats terrible what a thing to celebrate that country really has some evil people.
tyger - Memberernie, not meaning to put gasoline on the fire, so to speak, but just how many times have you been to Israel or Gaza?
I've been waiting for you to appear on this thread tyger.........where you been geezer ❓
Although I have to confess that it was hardly worth the wait ........is that ^^^ really the best you could come up with ? 😕
No mate, I've never been to Gaza, why's that ? Do people with strong Palestinian sympathies like me end up being pro-Israeli after visiting Gaza ?
Of course the irony of your suggestion is that the Israeli authorities probably wouldn't let me into Gaza. Certainly it is practically impossible for foreign politicians, humanitarian workers, human rights inspectors, and even the UN, to be allowed onto Gaza.
And I can't think why.............it's not like it's a concentration camp ......... is it ? 😕
I'll tell you of one person who has been to Gaza though, that's Richard Falk.
Richard Falk is an American professor of international law at Princeton University. He has been to Gaza as United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights and United Nations Special Rapporteur.
And even though he is a UN official, the Israelis have expelled him and banned him......what other country would do that sort of thing eh ?
But anyway, let me tell you what conclusion the American professor of international law, United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights, and United Nations Special Rapporteur came to. Well funnily enough, it's the same as me, ie, that the Israelis use Nazi-style tactics.
And I'll tell you something else that's funny. Richard Falk is a Jew. And a proper Jew too.......he even looks like one, as this photo shows :
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Here is some of the stuff he has had to say :
[i][b]"There is little doubt that the Nazi Holocaust was as close to unconditional evil as has been revealed throughout the entire bloody history of the human species.
Against this background, it is especially painful for me, as an American Jew, to feel compelled to portray the ongoing and intensifying abuse of the Palestinian people by Israel through a reliance on such an inflammatory metaphor as ‘holocaust.’
Is it an irresponsible overstatement to associate the treatment of Palestinians with this criminalized Nazi record of collective atrocity? I think not. The recent developments in Gaza are especially disturbing because they express so vividly a deliberate intention on the part of Israel and its allies to subject an entire human community to life-endangering conditions of utmost cruelty.
It is helpful to recall that the liberal democracies of Europe paid homage to Hitler at the 1936 Olympic Games, and then turned away tens of thousands of Jewish refugees fleeing Nazi Germany. I am not suggesting that the comparison should be viewed as literal, but to insist that a pattern of criminality associated with Israeli policies in Gaza has actually been supported by the leading democracies of the 21st century."[/b][/i]
Read more here :
[url= http://www.transnational.org/Area_MiddleEast/2007/Falk_PalestineGenocide.html ]Slouching toward a
Palestinian Holocaust[/url]
I haven't a bollocking clue what your point is though?
My point is that Israel has acted disgustingly but I'm not about to pretend that it is the only political entity in the region which is despicable however easy it is to lose sight of that in light of Israel's actions. And that's the problem with both the actions and the reactions, we live in a simplified age of good guys and bad guys - public reaction is valued more highly than analysis. So, yes, an emotional and empathic response is only right and unavoidable but we see 'opinion' shaped by this knee-jerk reaction: Israel acts horribly so *it is all their fault*. It's not. They carry a large part of the blame and Israel is governed by a vile regime but, then, so is the Palestinian Legislative Council.
My point? A bit of balance. I'm anti-Israel but then I'malso hearing alarming noises emerging in the 'outrage'. Few things are as clearcut and simple as they're being presented.
My point is that in all the vitriol directed at Israel is a vein of racial hatred which is galvanised by recent events (check out the Stormfront, Davidicke forums and so on to see what I mean) and which
My point is that in all the vitriol directed at Israel is a vein of racial hatred......
That really is unadulterated crap.
People of all races and colours (including Jews) throughout the world, have been united in their condemnation of Israel.
In fact, this incident has indisputably broken down ethic and racial barriers. One quick simple example, on the humanitarian aid flotilla which left Cyprus, there were Greek and Turkish captains.
Yes, two nationalities and sworn enemies which have gone to war over Cyprus. And yet, the captain from Muslim Turkey and the captain from Christian Greece were united and determined in their mission to ship humanitarian relief to the people of Gaza.
And btw, the Irish Prime Minister has warned Israel of "the most serious consequences" if the Israelis injure any Irish citizens on-board the MV Rachel Corrie.
The only actual racists in this tragic story are the Zionists.
And it really is unbelievable that should claim condemnation of Israel plays into the hands of Neo-Nazis. The Austrian, Dutch, and British far right for example, have little time for Israel, they are far too busy vilifying and spreading hatred against Muslims.
In fact, the BNP doesn't even bother to mention the incident on their front page, have a look :
Not that I would give a monkeys if they did........the BNPs opinions do not dictate my moral judgement.
BTW, I typed in the words "Gaza" and "Israel" into the BNP's search function and got : "Your search yielded no results" Do they really care that little ? 😕
However, I won't deny that the American neo-Nazis are so backward that they still mainly talk about "****s and Jews". But so what ? That is hardly a justification for keeping quiet about the barbaric treatment of the Palestinian people at the hands of the Israelis [i]ffs[/i]
ernie_lynch: "People of all races and colours (including Jews) throughout the world, have been united in their condemnation of Israel."
What a load of shite! 😆
They are more likely to be seen as a bunch of trouble makers sticking their dirty noses into others business deliberately to create tension. They are so self-centred (delusion) to the point of willingness to scarify their children, babies, and some old people (ya the old man who shouted victory) in the name of being seen as "victims"
BBC is such a joke that people in the other part of the world started to question their credibility each time Israel was involved. Well, no credit really since it's one sided most of the time.
"In fact, this incident has indisputably broken down ethic and racial barriers. One quick simple example, on the humanitarian aid flotilla which left Cyprus, there were Greek and Turkish captains."
LOL! I see skeleton in your closet.
Turks govt = wipe the Kurds to Kingdom Come. Yea right ... vile govt.
Oh ya ... some of the activists on the "messy cruise" are from countries in South East Asia that continue to persecute people on religion, race, gender and sexual preferences. Worst still these people cannot even stop abusing their own minority yet they cry foul so loudly wanting to be seen as "whiter than white". Vile ... such a vile bunch of low lives ... Equal rights? Human rights? You must be an ape man to think they give a damn ...yet, on this particular trip they are "brothers & sisters" ... vile, vile, vile.
"The only actual racists in this tragic story are the Zionists."
Unfortunately no. What the world has just witnessed is a bunch vile political and religiously twisted minded no good that try to create tension by using babies, old people etc, to breach the blockage.
I say torpedo them ... that will learn them vile twisted minds.
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No need to go in to prehistory and try to right every wrong, to understand this situation - don't attack people who aren't attacking you. Simples.
chewkw;are you on the glue?
I'm not sure he needs glue, or if does he's on it almost all the time.
Anyway, this thread has been ernie at his absolute best. Chapeau.
I usually LIKE Ernie's posts,he is in fine form.(Talks poo about Iraq ever being a democracy mind :wink:)
DrJ - MemberNo need to go in to prehistory and try to right every wrong, to understand this situation - don't attack people who aren't attacking you. Simples.
Or they can go through proper channel/port and let the Israeli army/police search the ship for weapons. But do they want that? Obviously not because that means no more media attention or "me victim, you aggressor" ...
duckman - Memberchewkw;are you on the glue?
LOL! No, wish I was so I could numb myself enjoying the bias one sided views but somehow I think those on the "mercy/messy cruise" are on some sort of illegal high ...
BigDummy - MemberI'm not sure he needs glue, or if does he's on it almost all the time.
Anyway, this thread has been ernie at his absolute best. Chapeau.
Who needs glue when you have bias one sided affair eh!
Yes, ernie at his best with his funny outlook of the world. Really enjoy reading his stuff. He is a very good entertainer.
😆 <- glue moi?
So why has Israel seized all mobile phones, memory cards and cameras etc from people on the ships if they've got nothing to hide?
grum - Member
So why has Israel seized all mobile phones, memory cards and cameras etc from people on the ships if they've got nothing to hide?
Simple they are telling lies and are trying to hide the truth.
DrJ - Member"No need to go in to prehistory and try to right every wrong, to understand this situation - don't attack people who aren't attacking you. Simples. "
Or they can go through proper channel/port and let the Israeli army/police search the ship for weapons. But do they want that? Obviously not because that means no more media attention or "me victim, you aggressor" ...
The ship was searched many times for weapons, and the flotilla agreed that it should be searched again by a neutral organisation. Of course they wanted media attention, but they probably weren't expecting to be shot or beaten and kidnapped.
Note that, contrary to the claims of the USraeli side, the cargo has NOT been transferred from Ashdod to Gaza. The usual horrible lies.
I love a bit of light hearted banter now and then!