[Closed] Wireless festival idiots v a brave Bobby!

Britain is a shit hole, it is becoming a chav infested pit, with the majority having no respect for anyone nevermind the police.

It is the same as it always has been, the false utopia you dream of never existed, from chavy yorkshiremen going abroad causing trouble, grabbing womens arses in bars, mods and rockers fighting in seaside resorts in the 60's, the rise of the criminal gangs in ww11 that became the later crime families, all major uk cities have had gang problems since industrialisation, and I dare say life wasn't so free of violence before that.

We are probably living in one of the safest most crime free periods of history, but media fuelled scaremongering and false dreams of a past only found in romance novels has created a greater fear than ever and a gradual erosion of the freedoms won in the post war years.

the bobby was doing his job. there was a great chance of him getting a good hiding, or worse for doing his job.
this is wrong, but it is a fact in Britain today that this happens.
it did not happen in the past, there was a very good reason for this.
most older people will seem to remember capital punishment being a pretty good deterrent againt breaking the law.

it did not happen in the past

I don't think it is possible to be any further from the truth.

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Meanwhile in America where they have capital punishment
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Britain is a shit hole, it is becoming a chav infested pit, with the majority having no respect for anyone nevermind the police.

This. The vast majority of posters on here have never even seen a proper scumbag or had any dealings with one.

and there were no scumbags in the past because they were all scared of the gallows??

How did he end up in that situation solo in the first place, where's the other dude? Or do they get sent out solo now?

the bobby was doing his job. there was a great chance of him getting a good hiding, or worse for doing his job.
this is wrong, but it is a fact in Britain today that this happens.
it did not happen in the past, there was a very good reason for this..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_police_officers_killed_in_the_line_of_duty

List starts in 1900.

most older people will seem to remember capital punishment being a pretty good deterrent againt breaking the law.

At no time in British history would a sentence of capital punishment have been imposed for entering a music festival without a ticket.

Britain is a shit hole, it is becoming a chav infested pit, with the majority having no respect for anyone nevermind the police.

Utter, utter bollocks I'm afraid. We live in one of the safest countries in the world. There's many countries around the world where the rule of law only applies if you have money to pay the police. People saying stuff like this need to take a serious reality check and remember how lucky we all are.

And I've worked in plenty of rough areas with plenty of 'scumbags' and young offenders etc.

grum, we lived in a safer one in the past. and I am old enough to remember it.

Northwind, most forces have had a singlecrewing policy for years now. It's much cheaper.

which one ton? The list of police deaths doesn't really back that up, the violent riots of the past doesn't, history doesn't.

The chance of you being involved in violent crime is low, there are huge numbers of places round the world where you would be less safe.

Perhaps you are choosing what you want to remember, then suggesting arming the police as a way to stop it and executing people? Would that make you safer or just make you think you were.

mikewsmith.....where do you live?

ton - Member
I think the woman would have stabbed him if the police had not arrived.

Britain is a shit hole, it is becoming a chav infested pit, with the majority having no respect for anyone nevermind the police.
if you follow the law you have nothing to worry about....if you don't, you should face the consequences.

grum, we lived in a safer one in the past. and I am old enough to remember it.

Ah those violence-free days just 20 short years ago...

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seosamh77

have you ever met me?

Live in Tasmania, before then Lakes, Outskirts of Rochdale, Glasgow, Liverpool Suburbs, all over the east mids, Coventry. It's not perfect but there has been violent crime and disorder for a long time. Riots, gangs and the rest it's not new.

grahams, those charts are balls. what year did they start, and what year did capital punishment stop.
go away with you silly charts...pppfff

timidwheeler - Member

Northwind, most forces have had a singlecrewing policy for years now. It's much cheaper.

Yeah, but in this situation? I can't remember ever seeing a solo officer at a festival except on information/outreach points.

mikewsmith....mmm I thought you were a ex pat. say's a fair bit that doesn't it.

Number of police killed in america 2014 - 623
Number of police killed in the uk 2014 - erm no easily googleable stats. I suspect the answer is 0.

Number of people killed by the police in the america 2014 - 1,029 (with a few weeks to go)
Number of people killed by the polic in the uk 2014 - 1.

Aye lets militarise society, it works so well elsewhere.

go away with you silly charts...pppfff

Yeah, Graham. You chart-****er. We're going to decide this based on one angry old man's hunches and possibly a poll in the Daily Express.

😉

ton - Member
seosamh77
have you ever met me?

Nope. But your bird brain ideas are fairly prevalent on here.

The fear of crime's totally unconnected to the actual rate of crime. Why is it we're so down on some forms of terrorism but so open to the sort that happens in the media?

Remember, DON'T GO OUTSIDE.

anger is not a thing I possess bigdummy.

yeah I moved, it had nothing to do with your paranoid fear of crime and rose tinted specs. I remember the good old days of IRA bomb threats and the actual real bombs that went off. The pics above of riots happened, the police in the wikipedia link all died.

we lived in a safer one in the past. and I am old enough to remember it... what year did capital punishment stop.

Last executions were 1964. Exactly how old are you ton??

Ton, I'm sorry to drop this on you but Heartbeat isn't real.

graham, I remember a safer past, not the last execution. I don't think I said that I did.

thestabiliser - Member

Ton, I'm sorry to drop this on you but Heartbeat isn't real.

bastid....you have knocked me off my train of thought.....proper pmsl.

graham, I remember a safer past, not the last execution. I don't think I said that I did.

A "safer past" which you claimed was due to capital punishment, which was abolished in 1965.

ton - Member
graham, I remember a safer past,

Hell even growing up in the 80s and 90s I have a very real sense that the uk(or atleast glasgow) is a much safer place these days than it was.

no a safer past because people were afraid of breaking the law and the fallout from it. because police were respected.

ask you parents or grand parents, they may have the same rose tinted glasses as myself.

Where do you think I get stories from the 60s and 70s from?

Fact is as I showed with my american stats is that arming the police is lunacy. you'll just arm the criminals (much much further) and things will get much worse..

It was safer right - no arguments
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our views and opinions differ. life is such.
I for one have nothing to fear from a armed police force or a return of capital punishment. some people do I suppose, for some reason or another.

At no time in British history would a sentence of capital punishment have been imposed for entering a music festival without a ticket.

Some may have been deported to Australia for attempting to do that during the London stint of Handels celebrated 1784 tour?

ask you parents or grand parents, they may have the same rose tinted glasses as myself.

Yeah I'll be sure to ask my mum, who grew up in the Gorbals in Glasgow, home of the infamous [url= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasgow_razor_gangs ]Glasgow razor gangs[/url]. 🙄

some people do I suppose, for some reason or another.

[i]I for one have nothing to fear from a armed police force or a return of capital punishment. some people do [/i]

me neither but I worry for the people who, through no fault of their own, end up having to fear armed police or capital punishment.

There's enough evidence of armed police shooting the wrong people and the criminal justice system giving death sentences to the wrong person that I don't think that either armed police or the death sentence solves any problems in a way that I find acceptable and, for some, it ends in their unnecessary death.

no a safer past because people were afraid of breaking the law and the fallout from it. because police were respected.

Was it safer when you and your football hooligan mates smashed up a bar, or when your buddy sexually assaulted a women? You didn't seem afraid of braking the law then, why apply different standards now?

I for one have nothing to fear from a armed police force or a return of capital punishment. some people do I suppose, for some reason or another.

You appear totally disconnected from you own past actions and what you know propose.

ton - Member
our views and opinions differ. life is such.
I for one have nothing to fear from a armed police force or a return of capital punishment. some people do I suppose, for some reason or another.

Aye like jean charles de menenzes.

Guilty of wearing a ipod. Magic, let's have more of that kinda justice.

msp, because I became a better person and turned over a new leaf.

also, I was in the bar, not with the leeds fans, I don't like or do football. I was on a stag do.

Aye like jean charles de menenzes.

aye, or Keith Blakelock.