Agree BlindM rucking needs to be brought back. It is arguable (if you watch the earlier ruck that there were white shirts slow in getting out of the way (for white read green, blue and red in other matches) that teh Cian healy stamping would not have happened. English prop makes absolutly no attemptto roll away a bit of old school rucking, as opposed to stamping, would have sorted that.
It's now neccessary to ruck to make teh ref actually referee the prone no-rolling bodies.
Onehundred Healy was clearly a stamp, albeit not as bad as the BBC are making out IMO. But yes most teams are generally all over it now. Mr McCaw would certainly have a few more marks on him after most games!
Except for the fact that the Irish SH already had the ball in his hands when the stamping occurred, cole had no contact with the ball (and certainly not with his legs) and any attempt to roll out the ruck would have been obstructive.
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I was searching for info on Thomsons ban for stamping last autumn and found this article on rucking:Basically Cleary is saying that banning rucking was a mistake and it should still be allowed in order to stop players laying over the ball and slowing it down. I have to say I agree with him. There was nothing worse than knowing you ended up wrong side and the opposition pack were about to trundle over you. You certainly made and effort to get out of the way.
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Except Thomson has a look and [b]stamps[/b] on his head,foot and studs going forward that has always been illegal. I have been recycled more times that I can remember,oh the joy as you flop over and kill the other teams momentum...the fear as the tight five arrive at the breakdown... especially in the good old days before yellow cards. With my yellow jersey on; that wasn't rucking a player killing the ball,that was one deliberate targeted stamp.
I am all for proper rucking (grew up playing in its hey-day under the All Blacks and Scotland) but that was not rucking. The ball was on its way out and this has all the hallmarks of a deliberate and premeditated attempt to cause real harm to another player - look where the stamp was targeted? It has no place on the rugby field and deserves no justification.
Never really saw the Gatland mystique. Comes across merely as an awkward bu&&er and cant see how those comments help future teams/touring parties. Too early for a less-than-subtle attempt to unsettle the English pre-Cardiff, and even so he should have learned from Telfer's error.
I agree that rucking should be brought back....I wonder how McCaw's career would have panned out were it allowed! Then again I've never really played, can't say that I'd relish being on the receiving end of a slice of shoe pie.
To be fair to Gatland if you go the evening standard interview what he actually said is fair enough. He doesnt actually say he wont pick lots of english just that it causes more hype and annoys the aussirs.
True - so lets leave it that he is not the most media savvy guy in the world!!!
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I agree that rucking should be brought back....I wonder how McCaw's career would have panned out were it allowed! Then again I've never really played, can't say that I'd relish being on the receiving end of a slice of shoe pie.Posted 1 hour ago # Report-Post
Nothing like having your club shirt sticking to you in the bar afterwards,sign of good back row play. Worst are the Welsh, a London Welsh hooker once pointed out a boot print on my back in the showers and claimed ownership because one of his rear studs was missing 😀
Just watched the BBCs video and although the SH does have the ball in his hands Coles knee is blocking its path out. [url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/21435761 ]watch this at full screen at about 15seconds[/url] His leg is raised and it's a deliberate block.
Ref should have penalised Cole then reversed the pentalty and binned Healy.
Just to be clear Healy stamped on Cole. The article I posted on rucking is not trying to justify what Healy did. Just a related subject. onehundred I agree, his knee was definately in the way.
Oh i agree Healy dserved a red/his citing, but i would be surprised if a citing commision didn't look at the cicumstances.
It's the situation that is going to cause real problems. No rucking and bodies on wrong side not being penalised.
On a couple of occassions this weekend eth ref gave clear indications for a player to "hold" in open play, and yet did nothing when teh player didn't.
Sounds like you've played to a pretty high level duckman! I keep toying with the idea of going to my local club....at ten and a half stone and earning my money playing guitar I'll probably steer clear though!!
Always try and avoid welsh hookers in showers duckman.
Gatland update;
“I am extremely disappointed that anybody should try to misinterpret what I said and try to say that will count against English players, that’s absolute b-------,” Gatland told Telegraph Sport.
The media stirs it up again.........
I like gatland. Always have, and I also trust his judgement. Whatever the lions XV, ill be cheering them on.
The media stirs it up again.........
I like gatland. Always have, and I also trust his judgement. Whatever the lions XV, ill be cheering them on.
Perhaps he should engage Alastair Campbell's services, to be honest I would prefer a coach from one of the home unions. Maybe the media did stir it up a bit but he has history.
Advice noted A-A. Tom, it was 15/20 odd years ago, Welsh were crap then,if A-A- will allow me to be so bold... They were just over the back from us so we viewed that as our derby, sharing a ground with Richmond kind of meant that you knew most of them.
Gatland is a winner...but it would have been nice to have a Brit/Irish coach.
Some would say the are still crap.
Not at all, they are crap [i]again[/i]
3 weeks for Healey and 7 for Moriarty... ****ing joke imo.
For those that missed it
That isn't a tackle by Moriarty, its a judo throw, te-guruma to be precise.
Not a nice thing to see being done out of the dojo and although it was reasonably executed if it had'nt gone as well he could have broken the 9's neck, 7 weeks seems fair to me.
3 weeks for Healy feels a bit soft as that was a deliberate stamp.
You know the Healy stamp reminds me of Jamie Joseph, did he do time for that? Also,at club level it is games NOT weeks you are banned for.Healy should have got 4-6 tbh, but having sat on panels at prem club level in Scotland it kind of goes on precedent. Example; When A-A broke the restraining order and was found inside Gav's bedroom wearing nothing but baby oil and a winning smile,sentencing was based on previous treatment of stalkers. Eg, restraining order tightened/compulsory medical help for A-A.
Same goes for rugby, if there is a tarrif,then it is hard to go out on a limb.
The restraining order has expired and the medication isnt working!!!
I think that is fair given that Cole was wrong side, no damage was done and Healy doesn't have form. The 6N committee set a precedent in the autumn with Thomson.
Example; When A-A broke the restraining order and was found inside Gav's bedroom wearing nothing but baby oil and a winning smile
I just did a little sick in my mouth. Not going to sleep for weeks...
Cole slowing the ball down, got a stomp no problem with that personally. Healy was a bit headless all match. Meh they are forwards arent they meant to be big and tough. The Judo throw deserves what he gets.
Have you seen the Tindall clearing out of the Northampton player after Cowan does his knee. Wow Bosh have it 😆
I just did a little sick in my mouth. Not going to sleep for weeks...
if you ask nicely I'll email you the pics!!
Goode is redefining the art of full-back play.
****ing hell another one, didnt Ashton redefine wing play last year
Just saw this lurking on the rugbydump near the tindal clearout
The new Gethin
That was a cracking try and some finish to out gas a full back and a centre!
The forward pass stumped them 😀
Can't get onto video sites from work but..WP Nel scored a cracking props try for Edinburgh against Leinster i think in January.
From 30m, a dummy a step a turn of pace and some prop power to finish, it is arguably the highlight of Edinburghs season!
Them tying their own shoelaces was the highlight up until that point and even then most fumbled and knocked on.
Dragons v Glasgow on scrum v online now I think....can't get it on my nexus. Will it be worth getting my laptop out for? I'm imagining that it will be a dire game!
Glasgow game is not bad actually, couple of tries already and some decent play from both sides.
Super rugby season starts this weekend if you aren't getting enough rugby at present.
Scarlets Munster tomorrow on S4C so available outside Wales. Any way Scarlets can win?
Try fest for Glasgow and a thumping for Dragons, still 5 minutes to go. Its on welsh BBC2 if you can get that online.
Glasgow destroying dragons at present 53-3 in Wales.
Glasgow scoring good tries but dragons look awful.
Edit: beaten to it
I haven't watched the Dragon this season but a struggle wouldn't be a surprise given the number of players who left/ are injured. Who are the leading lights in the Dragons squad this season?
Watched the Ospreys and Ulster on iplayer today and Pinaar was awesome yet again. Certainly not his best game but such a talent. Do Ulster play with 3 centres and let Ruan cover 9 and 10 combined? 😀
Given the fact that the bulk of the Glasgow squad are on Scotland duty it really shows the depth that we now have. Very very happy right now 🙂
Very good result for Glasgow away from home, keeps the pressure on Ulster who were poor again tonight. Even though they stumbled to s bonus point win they were sloppy at the breakdown and not accurate enough in attack.
Dan Pienaar was good last week and certainly can cover both positions very well.
Interesting fact, Ulster used their 46th different player for the season tonight, 41 of which are Irish qualified. Hopefully this bodes well for the future
My comment about Pinaar against the Ospreys was more that Ulster didn't appear to play with a fly half 😀 It was just Ruan completely running the show for Ulster to the extent of appearing to be at both 9 and 10... does he have a brother? 😀
