[Closed] Why wont people vote green?

A short-termist, self-serving, unregulated banking system, uninterested in investing the health of the real economy, and obsessed with a self-serving bonus culture, a government deliberately stoking a housing bubble for short-term political gain. A complete disinterest in innovation or skills, and a race to the bottom in working conditions and wages. And this goes unchallenged by what is increasingly laughably referred to, apparently without irony, as 'the opposition'

Not only the opposition, the electorate as well. Too many self-interested people here these days, who will cling to this model and its diminishing returns to the bitter end in the belief they will be spared its unpleasant side effects, or at best be the last to go.

The human race has a habit of closing the barn door after the horse has bolted. This is going to be a bloody big horse.

The problem with the greens is they are all social lefties or that is the impression. There is no reason why a party could not be pro capitalism and still promote and legislate green laws. The two do not have to go hand in hand. They are too right on and I think this annoys a lot of people. The stupid thing is that there can't be that many people in the country would do not support an environmental policy or would not support environmental laws being brought in. So if they had other sensible policies that people agreed with then they would probably be in a very good place.

my very selective quote highlighted the important bit, - that they want a blanket ban on all GM crops!

Ill pick apart the entire piece later; its riddled with fallacies & inaccuracies, Im off to give my lab presentation at lunch, about using genome editing tools to 'genetically modify' liver cells in people who suffer from familial hypercholesterolaemia, you probably wouldnt like it

So, out of all the parties I can vote for, which one(s) will do something about population expansion ?

They will get my vote.

[i]Too many self-interested people[/i]

Thats my point, Binners can vote green/labour, cos it hurts them little, if at all.

[i]There is no reason why a party could not be pro capitalism and still promote and legislate green laws.[/i]

You'd like to think so, but lobbying is often used, imo, against the interest of the majority. Unfortunately !

Voting Green is like voting for monster loony party innit?

They are protest group Not politicians.

Everyone can write detail policies if that is the job/career.

I rather Green party become extreme eco warrior taking up arms ...

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that they want a blanket ban on all GM crops!

It doesn't say that though, does it. It specifically uses the word moratorium - that is, a temporary cessation, not a blanket ban - if it was a ban, then it would have said it. A moratorium doesn't preclude the use of it in the future.

I personally have nothing against genetic modification as a thing, and your absurd suggestion that I do is a tedious knee jerk reaction. As I said, the opposition to it is political, not scientific.

It's worth noting that on the agenda for the Autumn Conference is a proposal to re-write the above to read:

"Synopsis: Corporations use GM technology to control food markets. This motion strengthens regulations to counter this, as part of a pro-science and precautionary approach.

Delete FA420 part k.

Replace FA710 with the following:
Genetic engineering is a technology that may be beneficial as part of a sustainable agriculture industy. However, there are possible drawbacks and these must be balanced with the potential benefits. Genetic engineering will not solve the problems created by industrialised agriculture and it may add to them. Genetically modified organisms (GMOs) tend to secure large profits for a few multinational companies, rather than making farming easier or more efficient.

Replace FA720-FA721 with the following and renumber accordingly:

FA720 The Green Party will introduce regulation to ensure that GM crops can only be grown outside of a laboratory environment if they pass strict environmental and health tests. The relevant sections of the scientific community will be consulted in the process of creating this regulation.

FA721 We define GM food as any:
(a) that is genetically modified or includes ingredients from genetically modified crops; or
(b) that is from genetically modified animals; or
(c) that is from animals that have been fed genetically modified feed.
We recognise that some consumers do not wish to buy GM foods so will require all GM food products to be labelled as containing genetically modified ingredients.

FA722 One of the biggest problems with GM food, is the corporate control of the food market, enforced through patents. Our ban on patenting genes of living organisms (FA702 ) will help to counter this.

FA723 We will push for national and international regulation to require GM crops to be "open source" - that is, their genetic code and technical documents outlining engineering procedures will be open to public inspection, free of cost. This will enable wider analysis, peer-review and derivative research."

Which I will be supporting.

There is no reason why a party could not be pro capitalism and still promote and legislate green laws.

Woody - I think someone else had cottoned on to that one a while back….

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I don't know if it won him any votes, but it was part of the overall charm offensive to convince us all he wasn't part of 'the nasty party'. The trouble is that once elected, it turned to… to use his very phrase 'drop the green crap'

Both the main parties could be stressing their green credentials for all they're worth. Would you believe them? Because I bloody wouldn't. And that is what lies at the heart of most of the arguments here. Its the cynicism of mainstream politics, and their nonchalant attitude to outright deception and lies, when it comes to issues like this

I just hope the Green prty benefits from this disaffection instead of that idiot…

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genome editing tools to 'genetically modify' liver cells in people who suffer from familial hypercholesterolaemia

Sounds a bit "sciencey" to me.

Do you float, or sink?

chewkw - Member

Voting Green is like voting for monster loony party innit?

They are protest group Not politicians.

Everyone can write detail policies if that is the job/career.

I rather Green party become extreme eco warrior taking up arms ...

Absolute twaddle, as usual.

[quote=Trimix ]So, out of all the parties I can vote for, which one(s) will do something about population expansion ?
They will get my vote.

I believe there was a socialist party which had a solution, or was it a national party? A bit final though IMHO.

edit: oh and i don't like growth,-there I've said it growth, growth, growth thats all the others bang on about looks to me like we could all do with growing a little less.

Over a long enough period, the correct amount of growth is 0%.

"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function."

Solo - Member

Too many self-interested people

Thats my point, Binners can vote green/labour, cos it hurts them little, if at all.

What does that actually mean? I genuinely have no idea what you're blathering on about. Who is the 'them' you're referring too? Would you care to expand on what on earth it is you're failing to articulate. You're just like a random word generator, thats been infected with a virus from a right wing think-tank

UKIP is not a single issue party take for example its intent to privatise as much of the NHS as possible and to reduce benifits for all by a further 30% and to slash local authority spending further than all other parties.

It's easy to find what UKIP policies are - they're published in their daily newsletter, the one which gives away free lego.

Lifer - Member

chewkw - Member

Voting Green is like voting for monster loony party innit?

They are protest group Not politicians.

Everyone can write detail policies if that is the job/career.

I rather Green party become extreme eco warrior taking up arms ...

Absolute twaddle, as usual.

😆 As if Green is going to be in govt. How many MPs do they have in the Parliament? Why can't that number go up? [u][b]I see plenty of people backstabbing the Green? No?[/u]
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If they take up arms I will vote for them especially against those over fishing issues.

Can we vote for Cheekyw? His head would explode if he became a zombie maggot....

Greens regularly get my vote. I don't agree with their stance on nuclear energy but I understand it and accept that it's a POV based on discussion rather than the business interests of mega-corps

Just for Binners.

[i]Too many self-interested people

Thats my point, Binners can vote green/labour, cos it hurts [s]them[/s] [b]him / her[/b] little, if at all.[/i]

Now, please, calm down. You've had plenty of chances to address the fact that voting green/labour probably won't cause you much, if any hassle and so you think its ok to vote green/labour. This is obviously influencing who you choose to vote for. And this is my issue, people vote for their own interests, we've lost the sense of 'greater good' on a group/nation level mostly because there will never be consensus. Now, chill.

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[i]Can we vote for Cheekyw? His head would explode if he became a zombie maggot....[/i]
And there some folk are, wondering if I'm a random word generator ?
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Why do you (wrongly) assume that everyone votes purely and exclusively in the interests of themselves? And excludes any acknowledgement that you're voting for what kind of society we all have to live in? And that includes people worse off, and more disadvantaged than yourself?

Oh yeah… you're a Tory 🙄

So your a fan of tons of massively radioactive waste (I assume we're talking Uranium) that we have no idea how to store for 1000 years let alone tens of thousands. Yet reserves will only last about 85 years?

GM seed? Monsanto? Seed patenting that's only compatible with specific fertilizers etc?

Come on those aren't make of break issues are they?

Oh god, where do I start.

Stick it down a mine at a tectonic subduction zone.

And there's nothing wrong with GM, the sun genetically modifies things including people every day. Genetic modification is done in a controlled setting, the former is not.

that it's a POV based on discussion rather than the business interests of mega-corps

Don't mistake "discussion" for a pathological fear of anything 'da man' does.

mikewsmith - Member

Can we vote for Cheekyw? His head would explode if he became a zombie maggot....

My head would get bigger but not explode but others would especially those that keep saying how good Green are but turn their back on them the moment they are asked to vote for them. 😆

So I decided to google the Green Party leader to see if she was abit of crumpet. Maybe we can take a leaf out of Mr Bunga Bunga's book and elect eye candy:

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Natalie whatshername is not even British. If You Kip find out about this Farrage will stumble over his words again.

Is that a cross on her neck?

So she's a religious nutbag and anti-science.

Who'd have guessed. Oh the predictability.

hora - Member
So I decided to google the Green Party leader to see if she was abit of crumpet.

then

Who'd have guessed. Oh the predictability.

Tom_W1987 - Member

Is that a cross on her neck?

That's an Egyptian cross.

When they spend soo much time on tv sprouting political-speak (crap) why can't they look good in bikini's and titillate?

So she's just a hippy then, as she probably isn't coptic.

Shame.

[i]Don't mistake "discussion" for a pathological fear of anything 'da man' does.[/i]

'Da man' has so far revealed himself to be a selfish shyster. Any one that is actively sticking 'it' to him is alright by me

'Da man' has so far revealed himself to be a selfish shyster. Any one that is actively sticking 'it' to him is alright by me

Except the science behind 'da man' is quite often right. Scientists do science and then it's used by corportations - if it makes them money. If it doesn't or it opposes their own viewpoint, then they will often attempt to discredit it. Much like the environmental movement, which is full of people with a bad case of confirmation bias - both sides have their own selfish motives.

Funnily enough it's mostly non-scientists who have an irrational fear of radiation.

Tell that to Marie Curie.

Tell that to Marie Curie.

Marie Curie died in 1934. What year is it again?

You should be more worried about being killed by a mutant H5N1 virus.... but that's okay I guess...because it's uhhhh....natural man.

Outsmarted again. 🙁

[quote=Tom_W1987 ]Is that a cross on her neck?

The girl in hora's pic isn't head of the Green Party - I presume given who she actually is and what hora wrote that he's aware of that, but didn't feel the need to enlighten.

No shes a Bunga Bunga party MP

Radiation
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It's only scary if you choose not to understand it, my work life (including the most radioactive building in the world) kept getting beaten by X Rays.

Sod you Hora, I googled that at work.

[i]Why do you (wrongly) assume[/i]
a) Prove it !

b) you're actually making some very wrong assumptions, in your own posts. Which, amusingly, you appear to have failed to spot.
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[i]Oh yeah… you're a Tory[/i]
😆 Nice try binners, but not voting Green/Labour, doesn't make me a voter for the conservatives. Well, not to anyone who isn't a rabid lefty.
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I just google imaged "Bunga Bunga party MP"

Oh heellloooooooo 8)

😆 I might not have heard of Noemi Letizia before googling, but I did know what Bunga Bunga referred to!

I thought a Bunga Bunga Party was an event rather than a political grouping, where letcherous old goats did unspeakable things to underage girls? Like the BBC in the 70's

The Scottish Green Party supports Scottish Independence. - See more at: http://www.scottishgreens.org.uk/independence/#sthash.EzS5UzVM.dpuf

Their other policies are irrelevant.
I wouldn't vote for them.

Funnily enough it's mostly non-scientists who have an irrational fear of radiation.

Got a BmedSci, an MSc, an RSS Graduate Diploma in Statistics and my undergraduate laboratory project involved a big **** off radiation gun/thingy. I think I'm alright and I feel completely qualified to make that sweeping statement.

Cool ^^^ A chart, you've got to love a chart.

All I can manage is a meter...

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Get it ?

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Only just spotted the edit -

You should be more worried about being killed by a mutant H5N1 virus.... but that's okay I guess...because it's uhhhh....natural man.

[i]It's only scary if you choose not to understand it [/i]

I understand that when it does go horribly wrong, the consequences are pretty eventful...

Usually in ancient or badly designed reactors...

[i]Usually in ancient or badly designed reactors... [/i]

I think the problem is that sooner or later they all become ancient and that the bad designs tend not to be spotted until after it's all gone pear shaped...

undergraduate laboratory project involved a big **** off radiation gun/thingy.

So some here don't want to do anything to reduce contamination of our environment by agriculture, industry and the energy sector even though [url= http://french-revolution-2.blog.fr/2012/01/05/cancer-la-catastrophe-silencieuse-12341851/ ]we're killing ourselves.[/url] Our kids are twice as likely to get cancer at any given age as we were.

Mike, for me...that was amazeballs, as I'm the type that would accidentally release a zombie virus from a cat 4 lab.

Our kids are twice as likely to get cancer at any given age as we were.

Our kids are twice as likely to get cancer at any given age as we were.

On the plus side they are less likely to die of Polio, infection, diphtheria, measles, smallpox, tetanus, typhoid, TB or a whole host of other diseases.

What is the rest of the World doing about these issues?

[i]Except the science behind 'da man' is quite often right[/i]

I don't have an issue with science, I have an issue with 'how science is deployed in making Mega-corp fantastically wealthy beyond the dreams if avarice whilst paying lip service to regulation and spending as little as possible on safety and whilst at the same time as making loud proclamations about the benefit to mankind of their beneficence, the actual object of the exercise is to enrich their coffers....with scant regard to the consequences of their actions That'll be what I have an issue with.

What is the rest of the World doing about these issues?

BTW Binners, I'm more left than you'd think. I just realised the failings of human nature when it comes to the pull of power, greed and gain.

johndoh - Member

If you read the content of their manifesto it sounds like they will do everything to make life perfect - cheaper transport and energy, create more jobs, increase the minimum wage, build 'truly' affordable housing, scrap the welfare cap, scrap university tuition fees.

Sounds perfect.

No suggestion of how they will do all this save for capping bankers' bonuses and scrapping the HS2 rail link. That ain't gonna pay for all those changes.

It really is a testament to success of Thatcherism and neoliberal agenda that some people genuinely believe that the seventh wealthiest nation on earth cannot afford to have affordable transport and energy, anything other than mass unemployment, a decent minimum wage, affordable housing, rent caps instead of welfare caps, and free university education.

And yet funnily enough the seventh wealthiest nation on earth has however a limitless supply of money available when it comes to paying for foreign wars. And there is of course there is a bottomless money pit to pay for updating our weapons of mass destruction, which we are constantly assured we will never need.

So there you have it - don't vote for change instead be content with some of the highest public transport costs in the world, over two million unemployed, crap minimum wages which have to be subsidized, exorbitant housing costs, exorbitant rents which aren't covered by housing benefits, and tertiary education which leaves young people with massive debts before they have even embarked on their chosen careers.

And btw before the days of the neoliberal consensus of the Tories, New Labour, and the Lib Dems, the UK had cheap transport and utilities costs, full employment, higher wages, affordable housing, a universal welfare state, and free university education. Funny that.

chewkw - Member

Voting Green is like voting for monster loony party innit?

Says the man who very sensibly votes UKIP.

BTW Binners, I'm more left than you'd think.

In a frankly weirdly contradictory way, I always think of you as a sort of Jewish Goebbels 😀

ernie_lynch - Member

"chewkw - Member

Voting Green is like voting for monster loony party innit?"

Says the man who very sensibly votes UKIP.

Loving the 'UKIP Carnival' in Croydon this afternoon. Farcical.

I don't have an issue with science, I have an issue with 'how science is deployed in making Mega-corp fantastically wealthy beyond the dreams if avarice whilst paying lip service to regulation and spending as little as possible on safety and whilst at the same time as making loud proclamations about the benefit to mankind of their beneficence, the actual object of the exercise is to enrich their coffers....with scant regard to the consequences of their actions That'll be what I have an issue with.

You bore me.

It's people like you that thwart the intentions of biology and make the future a horrible dystopia where people die from diseases that would otherwise have been cured long ago. For some inconceivable reason, people like you hate genetic engineering, cloning, weapon testing on prisoners of war and fun in general. You can't clone humans. You can't genetically engineer your kid to have super strength. You can't kidnap people, remove their stomach, and sew their esophagus to their duodenum. Where will it end?

P.S. Without lots of money from the private sector, we wouldn't be able to do our work. Considering the public will never want to spend the money to fund science 100 percent publicly. So personally, I quite like GSK and all the other evil corporations (apart from the hiding of unpublished results).

Sod it. You can't argue with idiots so why bother?

seems im a little at odds with their immigration views and their nuclear views, but the rest of the manifesto seems sensibleish

immigration we have little of control of within EU anyway and i cant see that improving (in my view) for the foreseeable.

nuclear - i dont see them having the casting vote.