Or there's the Robbie Williams lyrics... similar but excusing his words as a cry for help... offering warmth and love as a response rather than reflecting the bitterness and anger. It's an idea. It's a song. Neither quite ring true to me, but hey.
You sir are obviously a man of rarefied and exquisite taste! I also regularly partake of that wonderful combination. (Try lemon curd instead of the jam for a tasty treat).i love cheese ham and jam sandwiches (other opinions may exist ;-p
As above, art and artists. Special rules unless they're actual active paedophiles. But then, Michael Jackson, so that fails. Who knows. I know if you examine almost any pop song about love and desire closely it starts to look wrong. Artists of all types have often been assholes - see Picasso etc. We like art, we don't necessarily have to like the artists.
He's still supported commercially (unlike, say, Azealia Banks who was dropped by her booking agency and festival line ups for racism).
Banks has been "cancelled" because it's been almost 15 years since she had a hit, because she keeps insulting a core part of her audience (gay men), and because she doesn't show up to the ****ing gigs half the time! I am not denying that women and black women in particular are more harshly treated than men like Morrissey, but in her specific case it's amazing she was able to string it out for so long.
R Kelly was "cancelled" by the criminal justice system - he was sentenced to 30 years in prison.
Chris Brown is still a major musical act. 🤷♂️ Dr Luke produced Katy Perry's last, "feminist" album.
I wondered what happened to Azealia Banks. She was really good. "212" is a banger (as the kidz say)
People like Morrissey because he tells the truth without fear or favour.Cancelling people like him is a form of Fascism and must be resisted.
'he tells the truth'?
He voices his dumbass opinions by the sound of it, opinions that sound closer to fascism ("sub-species"?) than anything that happened related to him finding out that his dumbass opinions are not doing much for his popularity (along with his waning creative output perhaps).
We have freedom of speech but we don't freedom from the consequences. Someone being able to say what they liked w/o any consequences from anybody would suggest others have their right to expression removed - and that is getting towards authoritarianism.
It's very easy to label Morrissey, and those who think like him as weapons grade bell ends and racists.
I believe Michael Jackson's monkey went to live on a farm...
He’s still there (as of last year anyway), in Florida, aged 42.
'It's very easy to label Morrissey, and those who think like him as weapons grade bell ends and racists.'
To be fair he has spoken his fair amount of odious , hate filled bile. You want us just to ignore it
'He says whatever he wants whenever he wants, true or not.
He hasn't been imprisoned or exiled or assassinated or sanctioned. He's just sold fewer records than he thinks he should have done and been invited to fewer parties.'
This I think is the best description of being 'cancelled' I have read
Moz for Prime Minister!
The naughty wee monkey is throwing his shit around again ^, I used to work with capuchins that would pelt me with their shit if I didn't give them a few peanuts before entering their cage to clean it, perhaps monkeycmonkeydo just needs fed?
Morrissey does look quite like Farage
You're the one for me, bigot, you're the one I really really want 😆
He's not cancelled, he's just unpopular, that's the key difference. I can't imagine why? 😉
To be fair I still listen to some wacko-jacko sometimes, but that's mostly as a sound test as the production quality on a lot of his music is top notch, so it's a good reference that's easily available.
The phrase "cancelled" seems to mostly be used by right wing whingers. Or hack comedians like Ricky Gervais who are struggling to remain relevant and just have a load of crappy jokes. It's not like Lenny Bruce in 1964 who was actually locked up.
Yep, lol, "I've been cancelled" whine whine wine...
No, you're just a dick, and nobody likes you.
You're the one for me, bigot, you're the one I really really want 😆
He's not cancelled, he's just unpopular, that's the key difference. I can't imagine why? 😉
To be fair I still listen to some wacko-jacko sometimes, but that's mostly as a sound test as the production quality on a lot of his music is top notch, so it's a good reference that's easily available.
Oh dear, one mans poison I guess 🥴😐
You're the one for me, bigot, you're the one I really really want
Short grifters of the world, unite and take over
Shiela take a bung
Russian Ruffians
Putin knows I'm available now
I think the jobs already taken, but that said, Steven Segal Vs Morrisey is a celebrity death match I'd pay a lot of money to watch!
I think there’s a broader conversation to be had about censorship in general. For example, on old twitter people would get banned for saying women don’t have a penis. I think that’s ridiculous, however I also think the argument is quite strong that as a private company twitter can choose to ban whoever it wants.
As another example we could take the conspiracy theory that Covid escaped from a lab. At the time it was completely off limits to say this on twitter. I don’t know the truth of it but I think it’s entirely reasonable to say that there’s at least some chance that it did. The same argument about it being a private company could be made but in this instance that’s not what happened. The twitter files released by Musk showed that the US government were getting involved and telling them to censor it, Zuckerberg has since said the same thing happened with facebook. To me this is incredibly sinister and completely unacceptable, no government should be able to control discourse in this way.
I think there’s a broader conversation to be had about censorship in general. For example, on old twitter people would get banned for saying women don’t have a penis. I think that’s ridiculous, however I also think the argument is quite strong that as a private company twitter can choose to ban whoever it wants.
As another example we could take the conspiracy theory that Covid escaped from a lab. At the time it was completely off limits to say this on twitter. I don’t know the truth of it but I think it’s entirely reasonable to say that there’s at least some chance that it did. The same argument about it being a private company could be made but in this instance that’s not what happened. The twitter files released by Musk showed that the US government were getting involved and telling them to censor it, Zuckerberg has since said the same thing happened with facebook. To me this is incredibly sinister and completely unacceptable, no government should be able to control discourse in this way.
I see bonafide hate speech on face-ache and other social meeja all the time... almost exclusivley from uneducated, flag waving tommy robinson types. If I report it, I just get a standard 'doesn't breach guidelines, we won't remove it' reply.
But If I say I'll kill them for threatening to kill me and people like me, all of a sudden, I'm apparently the bad guy.
I think that's what's known as gas-lighting?
Freedom of speech for thee, but not for me?
It's all such a load of bollocks.
The twitter files released by Musk showed that the US government were getting involved and telling them to censor it, Zuckerberg has since said the same thing happened with facebook. To me this is incredibly sinister and completely unacceptable, no government should be able to control discourse in this way.
That's not exactly what happened. The Biden Administration was badgering Meta to moderate (which, absolutely, in this case meant delete) content under its own policies that was untrue AND harming COVID efforts. Zuckerberg caved because he doesn't actually care about media freedom (as a tech bro) and because he wanted to stay in with the government.
Now that the tables have turned and Zuckerberg wants to stay in with the Trump administration, he is doing a reverse ferret to make Biden look bad and make himself out to be a victim. (Side note: which US president has interfered more in media freedom - Biden or Trump? Every accusation is an admission).
The core problem here is not that the US president has sought to control media discourse - it's that so much of the media is now owned by people who don't give a shit about media freedom, won't band together to protect their own interests, and don't see any reason why their media assets shouldn't just be a mechanism for sucking up to today's President.
A lot of bands from the 80s and 90s that still tour do so on the tacit understanding that they won't play any of their new stuff - you even get 'one album' tours that really clearly state what exact nostalgia trip is on offer. Basically to tour successful bands need to be their own tribute act.
Depends very much on how much ongoing success bands from back then had/have. There are a number of bands who broke up back then, but reformed once the internal issues were resolved and carried on touring and recording, others from the very early 2000’s have been continually recording and touring, the ‘One Album’ tours often feature one particular album, then play a bunch of stuff from right across their catalogue.
Of course, some bands have had so many personnel changes that they’re little more than a tribute act, with only a tenuous connection to the original, like Thin Lizzy, or The Stranglers.
But Iron Maiden is forever.
But Iron Maiden is forever.
Oh yes 🤘
Many music genres come and go but Maiden fans are for life. And what a great bunch of people they are.
Ooh, monthters
Hurrah for Bubbles what a life he's led and stories he could tell if Dr Doolittle was here.
Compared to Morrissey I should have thought Iron Maiden are a load of rubbish.
Being in Iron Maiden must be brilliant. Honestly one of the greatest lives you can imagine.
Perennially successful, completely insulated from critical acclaim/fashion/most of modern life, spending your life with your mates, doing what you love doing over and over, knowing there'll always be a large audience somewhere in the world that will readily sustain it. Hats off.
Morrissey - I have nothing of substance to add. I will always love SPM deeply, however I just find him troubling now. What could have been. But he doesn't owe me anything.
Compared to Morrissey I should have thought Iron Maiden are a load of rubbish.
Well, there's a lot to unpick here.
As another example we could take the conspiracy theory that Covid escaped from a lab. At the time it was completely off limits to say this on twitter. I don’t know the truth of it but I think it’s entirely reasonable to say that there’s at least some chance that it did.
Well now. Perhaps
At the time it was completely off limits to say this on twitter.
because
we could take the conspiracy theory that Covid escaped from a lab... I don’t know the truth of it but I think it’s entirely reasonable to say that there’s at least some chance that it did.
Assuming for the sake of argument that claiming it was off-limits is true - and I don't remember whether it was or not - then this wouldn't be censorship so much as dissuading quarterwit conspiracy theorists from spreading dangerous lies (with a side order of racism) in the middle of a global pandemic.
Being in Iron Maiden must be brilliant. Honestly one of the greatest lives you can imagine.
Perennially successful, completely insulated from critical acclaim/fashion/most of modern life, spending your life with your mates, doing what you love doing over and over, knowing there'll always be a large audience somewhere in the world that will readily sustain it. Hats off.
apart from the fact that bruce is a bit of a Brexit ****
Being in Iron Maiden must be brilliant. Honestly one of the greatest lives you can imagine.
Perennially successful, completely insulated from critical acclaim/fashion/most of modern life, spending your life with your mates, doing what you love doing over and over, knowing there'll always be a large audience somewhere in the world that will readily sustain it. Hats off.
I suppose the only downside is having to hear Iron Maiden every day.
Perennially successful, completely insulated from critical acclaim/fashion/most of modern life, spending your life with your mates, doing what you love doing over and over
Unlike the fans, I'm not sure groupies still go for the old hasbeens
Being in Iron Maiden must be brilliant. Honestly one of the greatest lives you can imagine.
Perennially successful, completely insulated from critical acclaim/fashion/most of modern life, spending your life with your mates, doing what you love doing over and over, knowing there'll always be a large audience somewhere in the world that will readily sustain it. Hats off.
This. Some of the happiest guys in the music biz probably, alongside the GLC.
The core problem here is not that the US president has sought to control media discourse - it's that so much of the media is now owned by people who don't give a shit about media freedom
Possibly needs a separate thread. There are two bits to this.
The media being owned by people who dont give a shit about "press freedom" is a time honoured tradition. There are a long line of owners whose interest in the press is about their influence on people in power and so will happily bend a knee in response for their other interests being favoured.
For the tech companies it is fascinating how fast they bend eg people praise Apple for standing up to the UK and US governments but ignore how they bend the knee to the Chinese.
It seems to mostly be based on a mix of market share/profitability and a calculation of how much influence the public has as to whether standing up for the public is done or not.
As long as the people actually have some influence/power then the tech giants will valiantly stand up for us. However if it tilts against us eg when we will need the protection the most its "good luck god speed".
There are a long line of owners whose interest in the press is about their influence on people in power and so will happily bend a knee in response for their other interests being favoured.
For example...?
I would cancel him for the awful Smiths drivel. Other opinions exist.
Awful then. And hasn't aged well, awful now.
That he doesn't like bacon just doubles down on him being a bell end.
I suppose the only downside is having to hear Iron Maiden every day.
Earlier in the thread I was trying to figure out if I even knew a Morrisey song... yeah, turns out Dagenham Dave was him.
Now i'm trying to work out if I know any Iron Maiden songs. Nope. I know there's a beer with their name on... is their music as bland as that?
the between-songs narrative is a classic tour-de-Moz. He stumbles from self-hype to castigating “jealous bitches” and his customary bete noire, the cancel culture that has so thoroughly deplatformed him that he has no choice but to stand on a big platform and tell 20,000 fans all about it.
Good review. Didn't know he had written a Notre Dame truther song.
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2026/mar/01/morrissey-review-classic-smiths-songs-gb-news-o2-arena
Didn't know he had written a Notre Dame truther song.
It’s much better than the makeup is a lie song… until you pay close attention to the words. He does love a bit of anti-Islam conspiracy theory these days.
“concerned about the safety of all communities, but the one that’s at risk now is my own”
I guess he means people living in hotels in countries they weren’t born in?
So a review of Morrissey but not realy a review of the performance. Who would have thought the Guardian😃
Helped by some of the previous comments I can guess people don't get cancelled if enough people like how a song sounds. I guess mainly free child free individuals though.
The crowd looked like a Green party/STW convention and all appeared to be finding it easy to get past the “Racism” and enjoy the music.
Now i'm trying to work out if I know any Iron Maiden songs. Nope. I know there's a beer with their name on... is their music as bland as that?
I wouldn’t say bland, it’s a perfectly good beer, but my music tastes started in the 60’s, early 70’s, with Beatles, Stones, Simon & Garfuncle, King Crimson, Yes, Genesis, Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, Black Sabbath, and by the time of the new wave of British Heavy Metal rolled around, I was already thinking they were just trying a bit too hard, like all the American hair metal acts. Mudhoney, Faith No More, and Soundgarden, with some Metallica thrown in are much more to my tastes. YMMD 🤷🏼♂️
At the risk of tangenting,
I like Maiden but they're kinda the opposite of "greater than the sum of their parts" and you'd never think "wow, I wish this album was longer." As much as I enjoy Steve Harris I think on balance I'd rather be listening to his daughter.
@alexandersupertramp did you miss this?
The Smiths songs seem beamed in from another timeline altogether. The night’s first, A Rush and a Push and the Land Is Ours, takes on a psychedelic grandeur, while the elegiac I Know It’s Over is accompanied by images of his late mother. But the moment is lost in the flat live arrangement, his mighty croon single-handedly dragging the band up the ballad’s emotional peaks.
So a review of The Guardian but not really a review of the article.
