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[Closed] why can't we criticise religions or religious people without getting grief

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I don't consider religionists 'fruityloop' but I find it very hard to understand them. Still, if they want to believe in the christian/muslim/chinese/hindu/aztec/martian gods then that's their business. Just leave me out of their faith until I come calling (the number of times I have been 'invited' to go the 'Alpha course' [read: very poor brainwashing attempt]....).

While others would consider me a hard-core atheist I believe I am omni-agnostic. You cannot prove a negative (i.e. there is/are *no* god(s)) so there must be an infinitesimally small chance that any of them exist. Therein lies the rub - it is *any* of them. Zeus/Apollo/Flying Spaghetti Monster/Invisible Pink Unicorn/Christian god/Muslim god/Hindu gods. I believe in them all to exactly the same extent!

Which bring up something else - a person of religion X, while themselves consider themselves of faith, are usually much more vehemently atheist about god Y, which isn't in their pantheon. Odd that.

One more interesting thing is the concept of the devil/beezulbub etc. You could argue that the abrahamic faiths are not really a monotheistic faith but a duo-theistic faith with the 'good' god being 'god' and the evil god being 'the devil'. Still, the devil isn't discussed much in the bible but so much is made of it. Stick, I guess as opposed to the carrot of 'heaven' (which could bring us into the 'pure-land' view of some buddhist branches but lets not go there!).


 
Posted : 14/04/2009 8:50 pm
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I thought I'd underline that line, coming from a Christian. [:lol:]

very droll. 😳

Because the ultimate goal of these religions is to have everyone "under their wing" whether we like it or not.

see, that seems to be a common misconception. Not sure where you get the idea that Christianity supports conscription.


 
Posted : 14/04/2009 8:55 pm
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see, that seems to be a common misconception. Not sure where you get the idea that Christianity supports conscription.

To be fair, activeDuty:

From google -

Results 1 - 10 of about 1,220,000 for evangelical church. (0.22 seconds)

I know someone in an evangelical church. Scary. From 'evangelicalchurch.org' (the top hit on google):

The Evangelical Church is a movement of "Harvest-focused, Holiness-fueled" churches committed to establishing healthy multiplying churches that proclaim the Gospel of free and full salvation from all sin for all people. It is our intent to fulfill the Great Commission of Jesus Christ to make disciples of all nations.

I don't see this as a misconception. Could you tell me how this is not true? I thought the 1990s were to be the decade of evangelicalism according to the Archbishop of Canterbury at the time?

And don't start on the 'Jesus Army'. If he existed and was a nice bloke he would be rotating in his grave at a high speed with that bunch...


 
Posted : 14/04/2009 9:02 pm
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[i]Because religious people can't see that they are fruityloop, so they get angry when we try to tell them.[/i]
Sorry to disappoint you, but they don't. Most just tend to laugh when they read childish silly things like that.

Perhaps you could show me on here where someone putting forward a pro-religious point of view (I'm staying neutral) has shown any sort of anger or hatred? On the other hand I could show you umpteen comments like "child abusers" and "******* retards" that rather make me think all the hatred is coming from one side. I do feel very sorry for you if you really hate folk that much. That's genuine, I'm not being sarcastic.


 
Posted : 14/04/2009 9:26 pm
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see, that seems to be a common misconception. Not sure where you get the idea that Christianity supports conscription.

Conscription, an appropriate word because if you are born in this country you are technically governed by Christian beliefs, traditions and of course their influence in the political system. The only reason you are getting so many bishops etc speaking out recently is because their influence is on the wane.

And having once been of the Christian Ilk, I understand the methods and means completely.


 
Posted : 14/04/2009 9:39 pm
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There's an awful lot of intolerance going on in this thread.

If someone's beliefs don't chime with yours (whatever they might be) but don't harm you either (and I have been on the receiving end of some pretty (to me) harmful so-called Christian beliefs), can't you just live and let live?

It won't hurt you...


 
Posted : 14/04/2009 11:06 pm
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[i]"If someone's beliefs don't chime with yours (whatever they might be) but don't harm you either " ..[/i]

Ah, but we have to fund them as well! What of Radio 4's outstandingly irritating Christianity dirge on Thought For The Day? - And last week we were also told of the £30M of taxpayers money spent on Hospital Chaplains.

If there were tax on the Church forcing them to fund a daily athiest BBC sermon and Humanist hospital psychiatrist, they might soon kick up a fuss!


 
Posted : 14/04/2009 11:31 pm
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we have to fund them as well! What of Radio 4's outstandingly irritating Christianity dirge on Thought For The Day?

I expect you will find, if you interogate the statistisc closely, that some license payers are in fact religeous.


 
Posted : 14/04/2009 11:47 pm
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And last week we were also told of the £30M of taxpayers money spent on Hospital Chaplains

Ditto taxpayers/sick people


 
Posted : 14/04/2009 11:49 pm
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I expect you will find ....... that some license payers are in fact religious.

Really ?

Well they better not show their faces here.

God help them if they do.


 
Posted : 14/04/2009 11:50 pm
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Ernie; like anyone would dream of showing their faces in Croydon.

Now that is a truly Godforsaken place...


 
Posted : 15/04/2009 12:54 am
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Because religious people can't see that they are fruityloop, so they get angry when we try to tell them. Despite all that bollocks being about forgiveness, and all that. **** retards.

Brilliantly done LOL!

I've sinned but a sacrifice should sort it out with God.


 
Posted : 15/04/2009 1:01 am
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Cant be bothered reading this whole thread, but am amused by the notion of lies and supersition being forced on youngsters not old enough to know better as "child abuse".
Will those postulating this view be telling their kids "santa's not real. Don't you dare believe in him!!" or will they be happily "abusing" their children with this lie come Christmastime?


 
Posted : 15/04/2009 1:09 am
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Atheists; they don't like it up 'em!

Nor do those who believe in a religion. Thats why they would prefer that there are laws to protect them from criticism.

Without freedom of speech there is no freedom.


 
Posted : 15/04/2009 1:41 am
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No, the UN Resolution (If people would actually read it propply), is about stopping people from spreading falsehoods and untruths about religions, NOT stopping people from having the right to free speech.

Read it propply. Do yerself a favour. Learn something... 🙄


 
Posted : 15/04/2009 1:55 am
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I knew you would bite. Its too easy.

I tell you what, I'll Learn something 🙄 if you drop the mockney spelling.


 
Posted : 15/04/2009 2:01 am
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I've also decided what I'm going to learn.

Guitar.


 
Posted : 15/04/2009 2:02 am
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Put up, or shut up.

RudeBoy's Law don't extend to you... 😉


 
Posted : 15/04/2009 2:03 am
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I'd like to learn Spainish, actually. If the local Council adult education service could sort itself out enough to run a course for more than 3 weeks...

Good luck with the guitar. I considered it once, but I'm just not patient enough.


 
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