[Closed] Whey Protein

No tips but I've been using whey protein isolate (chocolate mint from myprotein) for recovery after hard training sessions over two hours. Does seem to stop me eating everything in sight.

I've been using it after rides as an easy recovery drink (myprotein as well).
Also use it as meal replacement for breakfast and lunch a couple of times a week when I work from home with fruit for snacks and then a proper dinner.

Hora , what are you using it for? Recovery? Fuel? Meal replacement? I use it before and after gym training and after bike rides

One spoon/c330ml of goats milk before ride. Same after.

Might do the same at the gym too. Wouldnt replace meal (s).

Hora , what are you using it for? Recovery? Fuel? Meal replacement?

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Thats the colour of my new frame.

Binners - try it. It'll stop me and you looking like two Cumberland Sausages in clothes 😉

Anyone using this/tips?

Don't expect magic from it, it's just protein.

I think thats a look that rather suits us though. And I also love getting in off a night ride and consuming my own bodyweight in cheese on toast. It'd just feel wrong if I didn't 😀

It's good for recovery methinks .. Of course there are other ways to recover , but either way , better recovery means longer rides more often .

It can help build muscle if you do resistance training .

Can give you savage farts though. Pluses and minuses

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Myprotein the best place? I paid 9.50 for 1kg

you can mix it with pretty much anything. I make smoothies with carrots and fruit added. Do not go to mad with it though in one portion as it can be pretty strong stuff - in terms of protein amounts. I like the basic stuff.

Does that not become 2kg, when its bulked up though?

Myprotein the best place? I paid 9.50 for 1kg

That's pretty much going rate from internet sellers IME.

FWIW I've used discount supplements a lot of times.

Do not go to mad with it though in one portion as it can be pretty strong stuff

What? It's just protein.

Yes myprotein is still best. Get 5kg and it comes in a massive box with PROTEIN written on the side. Wonderful stuff

Most of the places I looked online recommended myprotein as the cheapest. I bought 2.5kg for about £35 delivered. Mixes well.

As per the earlier thread I tried some up to help me through a series of big rides without much chance to get proper food in between, worked well and all the competitive cyclist to know seem to use some kind of recovery drink.

You should have some carbs with it to help recovery though. The main benefit for me is stopping me eating everything else which is usually pies and biscuits and speedier recovery so none of that post ride sofa surfing.

If you want look like that lady up there /\ I think you'll need creatine too, I'm a bit pas that bit did try a pre ride boaster which gave me the emergency squits.

What? It's just protein.

Exactly, it's just protein, and like anything else if you have too much of it it ends up causing harm. That rule should be applied to everything and protein is no exception.

and like anything else if you have too much of it it ends up causing harm.

Twice a week is ok though? (Just for rides). I'm still eating a balanced diet with veg. So not a food substitute. I can imagine if you have too much protein and nothing else your liver and/or kidneys might not be happy

No of course not. But there is nothing miraculous about protein which means that you can eat limitless quantities of it without it ever causing you harm.

Apart from cheeseboards. It is not possible to eat too much cheeseboard.

But there is nothing miraculous about protein which means that you can eat limitless quantities of it without it ever causing you harm

Oh go on then. How does protein cause you harm?

For the sake of simplicity, can we assume, that our hypothetical average man who is consuming 'too much' protein doesn't have renal disease?

I thought you just wee-wee excess proteins.

I just ate some chicken....

Oh go on then. How does protein cause you harm?

Do your own homework.

Otherwise assume that protein is unique and unlike anything else you can't have too much of it.

And btw it wasn't "protein causes harm" it was too much protein may cause harm.

Oh go on then. How does protein cause you harm?

A google shows that even nhs's own website doesn't think protein is dangerous.

From some of the pro-weight sites etc etc. It seems you do need protein if you are doing weights/exercise to prevent your body eating muscle to feed the ramp up in protein required.

I think the bad part comes if you substitute good/balanced meals with 'shakes' (IMO)

Do your own homework

All right then.

The few studies done that have shown links between high protein and reduced kidney function, have exclusively correlated high [i]animal[/i] protein with reduced kidney function.

Not dairy protein, or plant protein.

That's just AFAIK. Quite happy to be proven wrong by some of your homework. Etc.

It is not possible to eat too much cheeseboard.

Quite so!

This dude obviously thought protein was harmful

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I hear good things about [url= http://www.myprotein.com/sports-nutrition/hemp-protein/10529338.html ]hemp protein[/url] for the lactose intolerant.

Quite happy to be proven wrong by some of your homework.

It isn't important enough to me to want to prove you wrong 🙂

I've had this conversation with my GP and it's generally accepted that everything in excess is potentially bad for you, whether it's, sugar, water, vitamins, carrots, whatever. Sometimes in ways that are known and sometimes in ways which have yet to be fully understood. But if you reject this approach then fine - it's your prerogative.

EDIT : I use whey protein shakes after exercise myself. And last week I bought a box of Promax protein bars in Costco to take on long rides as they seemed good value. So yeah, I use whey protein as a supplement.

I've had this conversation with my GP and it's generally accepted that everything in excess is potentially bad for you, whether it's, sugar, water, vitamins, carrots, whatever.

Well yes you can take the scenario to an extreme, but I think the better question is 'how much' is too much?

10% of your 'required' calories? 20%? 50%? 100%? 200%?

I hear good things about hemp protein

I hear it's good for the joints.

Sorry, it's the whey I tell 'em.

I have a protein shake most days. I'm trying to build muscle and find it hard to get enough in what i normally ewt without the shake. I have it mixed with water and either for breakfast or after exercise to stop me inhaling everything else in sight. My protein chocolate peanut butter flavour is amazing. It also helps with the sweet cravings, and at only 98 calories/20g protein it's a much better alternative than a sugary bottle of chocolate milk.

I've had this conversation with my GP

GP's are great but they aren't specialists in different fields...

This is a new one on me - excuse the nutritional ignorance. I've used Torq recovery powder and in the absence of that (ie more often) a bottle of Yazoo or other UHT milkshake after big rides.

I've got a bad habit of demolishing biscuits or crisps while preparing a meal (or waiting for someone else to) after a day of exercise or physical work. Have just been thinking about what I could use to stave off that hunger and was thinking about just piling into bread and butter. Is some whey protein mix a good substitute?

Whats wrong with a mountain of cheese on toast then?

I'm not sure of the exact nutritional value of Worcester Sauce, but I'm sure that helps too

simons_nicolai-uk - I had a bacon butty yesterday morning at 5am. Did my Peaks ride and ate a falafel wrap in the afternoon. Tea at 7pm. I just forgot to eat much.

Normally post ride its jump into the car, drive home and an hour after that the stuffing the face begins onwards (snacks/lunch etc).

The protein is good 😀

look I can do googled links too

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22753620

Whats wrong with a mountain of cheese on toast then?

Too much cheese on the toast is bad.

The balance has to be carefully struck so the cheese depth allows for successful cooking through to the lowest cheese level.

If it doesn't, you have raw cheese at the base of your creation, which is a texture disaster.

Too much time given to heat through the excess cheese, and it drips everywhere, resulting in wastage, unless you're forward thinking and have placed a layer of bacon at the bottom of the grill tray.

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A relatively high protein intake does seem to help if you have a full on training regime, I think that is fairly well accepted. Whey is handy. It can be handy when you are in kcal defecit.
But most people get a lot of protein, and need to look at how much hard effort they really do. Most people will can recover from a few mtb rides a week without the need for any special help. An extra hour of sleep will help more.
I never really noticed any difference when I was training around 20hrs a week, but I never had a low protein diet anyway. Maybe around 1.5g/kg?

An extra hour of sleep will help more.

completely agree with this

makes much bigger difference to my recovery and training than anything else

This ^

For me, sleep hydration & carbs make the difference with a heavy training load. I don't supplement protein, even on a vegan diet. After a big day, a recovery shake and then a normal meal is enough, but rest is the key.

The people sitting around me at work must wonder what on earth I'm viewing the web in my lunch break - first Jodie Marsh coated in Creosote and Arnie in his speedos.

Oh yes I'm sure that is about mountain bikes...

* best Eric Morecombe accent *

Shouldn't this read "Whe Hey Protein"

😆

An extra hour of sleep will help more.
completely agree with this

makes much bigger difference to my recovery and training than anything else

So sitting up for hours when you get back in from night riding, washing down your cheese on toast with beer isn't the best for you then? Who knew? 😉

binners messers Schwarzenegger and Stallone used 'additional' chemical help not cheese 😀

Extra sleep doesn't help. After a big day out in the Lakes I'd be asleep by 7pm through to 6, still felt like crap for a day afterwards.

Too much sleep then!

it's a much better alternative than a sugary bottle of chocolate milk.

actually, chocolate milk has been shown to be generally all round awesome

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I suspect that most people dont actually need the extra sugar in chocolate milk for "recovery" so surely better off having something without it and a lot more protein?

I suspect that most people dont actually need the extra sugar in chocolate milk for "recovery" so surely better off having something without it and a lot more protein?

Isn't the point of protein in recovery drinks that it helps - for reasons that aren't fully understood - your body to absorb the carbohydrate more efficiently. What you're actually trying to do is replenish the blood/muscle glycogen reserves which get depleted during intense activity. So actually in recovery terms, the sugar is what need, the protein just helps you absorb it better.

That's how I've generally understood it anyway, though of course I may be wrong. I think there's some evidence to show that protein helps to suppress food cravings/appetite/stops you feeling 'empty', but that's a different thing, though I guess if you're prone to pigging out maybe a useful one.

Anyway, if it works for you.

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Extra sleep doesn't help. After a big day out in the Lakes I'd be asleep by 7pm through to 6, still felt like crap for a day afterwards

Is that lack of protein or lack of training though? If I go out on an eight hour walk I'll be crippled for a couple of days afterwards. This isn't protein deficiency, it's because I don't often go on eight hour walks!

How hard do you need to be exercising for 'extra' protein to be a necessary part of your day?

I dont agree with sprinkling it on your cornflakes when your not training but if its before and/or after a 3hour ride or big gym session why not?

If it helps you push yourself/recover better then surely a good thing.

I love these adverts from LA Muscle TV for their whey protein.

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I dont agree with sprinkling it on your cornflakes when your not training but if its before and/or after a 3hour ride or big gym session why not?

If it helps you push yourself/recover better then surely a good thing.

Why would consuming protein before a three-hour ride help you? What's the science behind it?

How hard do you need to be exercising for 'extra' protein to be a necessary part of your day?

I don't think we are necessarily talking about 'extra' protein. Protein delivered in the 15-30 minute post-exercise window enhances muscle recovery. And in the case of whey protein (mixed with water) it is absorbed faster than other proteins. As I understand it.

protein shakes are also very useful for getting some good recovery food within half an hour or say an hour of finishing a long ride or say an event or big day out, where you may not eat something decent until much later when you get home otherwise.

The packaging usually states how many scoops too use. Or just roughly work out how much per per kg of body weight etc too use etc from an online guide and the label.

don't worry there's nothing wrong with it, it's just as with carbs etc, I suspect eating a lot more than your body requires may add fat, just like anything else really...

Protein wont add fat. BWD- Try it a few times?

If you're an average Yurpean, you're already consuming double the daily requirement. Studies have shown high protein diets, especially from animal products, to be linked with nasty diseases. But whatever works for you...

Here in Spain, it's said that 9 out of 10 kids are eating too much protein and it's leading to an obesity epidemic.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/10676877/High-protein-diet-as-bad-for-health-as-smoking.html

Bob the nhs website focuses on your link as I mentioned earlier in this thread

www.nhs.uk/news/2014/03March/Pages/high-protein-diet-may-be-harmful-for-middle-aged.aspx

BTW I dont have a meat rich diet. Whey protein isnt animal is it...as also mentioned ^. Mine says suitable for veggies on the tub.

Whey protein isnt animal

Well it doesn't grow on trees, little miss muffet.

Animal aka body parts (fats or meat) humpty dumpty

Edit. Oops.

I always find a pint of milk works for me!
Protein and carbs!

Milk is good as it has all the essential stuff in it. However casein is absorbed at a much slower rate than whey on its own. And I believe the reason protein shake manufacturers suggest that a shake is made with water rather than milk is because with water it will be absorbed quicker.

That Telegraph article is classic media guff. Sensational headline steadily watered down until it's someone says it's actually not true but so far down the story it won't get read.

In other words you had to read to the end to find the bit you wanted to be correct. I suspect the truth, as always, is somewhere in between.

What's noticible is the change in government guidelines on protein intake, at least here. Eg. the food pyramids they put up in schools have changed insomuch as the "traditional" protein sources barely figure compared to the old versions.

Didn't "want" it to be anything just pointing that the actual story does not support the headline as is often the case with newspaper articles.

when working out protein intake, use guides on protein after the particular activity your undertaking rather than just general information 'for the average adult so many grams per day etc'. The recommendations on the label or often stated are also likely to be for body building purposes which imho may be more than required for cycling. So the question is then, is it worth using for recovery from cycling. I would say sometimes - yes ( imho )

I use this - sometimes replacing breakfast, or before and after a ride/after a gym session, but not every day. Seems to make a difference with muscle growth and actual strength on a ride/gym session, but that could be a placebo effect. Not sure how it affects recovery though, as sometimes I feel ok, sometimes I'm wasted anyway. It does play havoc with my guts sometimes though...

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I use shakes post rides, it's either that or gorge on 20 muffins the second I get through the door.

I used to just drink chocolate milk, but I'm not hugely sure it's much cheaper. I've got a big 2.5kg MyProtein pack at the moment and it lasts for ages.

I've got the mocha flavour, as it was on sale. It gives me mocha smelling wee for a few hours, I'd use it for that alone.

too much protein and you'll probably end up with piles, be thirsty with possible kidney and liver issues. Symptoms will be exacerbated with a low carb diet due to the effect of ketones

you shouldn't need to take supplements if you are eating properly.

on the plus side you might get foamy urine due to the excess protein being excreted lol