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Amid all the news it may surprise folk to know that the number of unresolved cases (ie confirmed but not recovered or died) has been falling for the last week. Obviously there's no guarantee that it will continue as recent outbreaks could become another nucleus for spreading the illness, but it's a contrary position to the 'virus sweeps the world' narrative that lots of media outlets are pushing.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-cases/#active-cases
Ibuprofen were out of stock most places
IIRC there’s been a production problem for months but let’s blame the Coronavirus.
This may not be the correct thread but here goes anyway: I keep hearing adverts on the radio telling me the government and NHS are well prepared to combat coronavirus, why then have public health not had any bulletins or information on how to advise clients regarding coronavirus? This doesn't seem to back up the adverts.
This is a good article summing up the public health strategy at this point - delay the arrival of a full-scale outbreak and try to shore up the public health system to cope:
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/02/coronavirus-seems-unstoppable-what-should-world-do-now
The WHO does believe that the aggressive lockdown in Hubei has saved thousands of lives, but it's hard to say what will happen to that trend when they start letting folk head back to work.
"Data from the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention indicates a mortality rate closer to 0.1 per cent in a standard flu season in the US over the past decade."
From the independent so at least 10 times more deadly than normal flu from what I can see.
Perhaps a worldwide plague that decimates the global population is what the Earth needs to save itself from the human race. (And save the human race from itself). Plus I’ll be able to afford a house in the SE. I’m all for it tbh.
The effectiveness of decimation as a deterrent/punishment/motivational tool was that you didn't know if you were the unlucky one or the one digging the graves.
why then have public health not had any bulletins or information on how to advise clients regarding coronavirus? This doesn’t seem to back up the adverts.
I’ve had daily emails since the possible threat was recognised.
On a slightly more serious note (but still a first world problem), trip booked for April in Cervinia. Annual travel insurance expires and will be renewed on 29 March – looks like I might be without insurance if travel is stopped rolling eyes
Also supposed to be heading to Cervinia on April 3rd. I've only booked accommodation so far but unless they get it under control in the next few weeks (unlikely) then I'll be cancelling.
I'm not overly fussed but my missus is a T1 diabetic so she's high risk and I can't intentionally go into an outbreak zone and put her at risk on my return.
Fingers crossed it hasn't reached the French alps as a proper outbreak and we'll head there instead.
Well, done a bit of a "prep shop".
Local asda out of all own brand paracetamol and ibuprofen. No doubt not linked though. Got both from corner shop who is both cheap and doesn't mind how much paracetamol you buy. He also hand digital thermometers and face masks in stock.
Various antibac solutions bought too.
Food shop tomorrow which if not needed (I hope) can all go to local Food Bank. Win, win.
Then I'll just be watching and hoping like everyone else.
Petrol filling station last night, woman walking round pumps, looking confused,a fellow driver asks if she is ok, she says Yes, jus looking for disposable gloves, she then states she doesnt want to touch the pump handle because of corvid, she then goes into shop and demands some disposable gloves.
also just wait till it mutates again and becomes a computer virus,self isolating computers.
"London firms sending staff home amid coronavirus fears"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51643621
why then have public health not had any bulletins or information on how to advise clients regarding coronavirus? This doesn’t seem to back up the adverts.
I’ve had daily emails since the possible threat was recognised
Had a doctor phone consultation on Monday and was most definitely questioned about Coronavirus due to symptoms 🙂
(Probably not exactly really related to public health per se)
Various antibac solutions bought too.
Antibacterial products aren't going to do much against coronavirus.
Maximum 5 and very limited stocks locally eg just 2 in most stores locally
Antibacterial products aren’t going to do much against coronavirus.
Won't alcohol gels do the job? Genuine question btw.
Won’t alcohol gels do the job? Genuine question btw.
Yes hand sanitiser is recommended alcohol based.
Excellent, cheers Drac.
No problem.
Panic buying? No need. I’m <span style="font-size: 0.8rem;">just topping up my Brexit supplies as they’ll now not be needed until 2021. </span>
Amid all the news it may surprise folk to know that the number of unresolved cases (ie confirmed but not recovered or died) has been falling for the last week. Obviously there’s no guarantee that it will continue as recent outbreaks could become another nucleus for spreading the illness, but it’s a contrary position to the ‘virus sweeps the world’ narrative that lots of media outlets are pushing.
They keep revising their counting methodology though so it's hard to be sure what anything means (they were counting symptomatic patients as cases even if they later tested negative; now they're not, and initially they weren't either. Regardless which you prefer, that switching, added to their reportedly variably dependable testing kits and their "totalitarian state" mindset means I think we're still in the twighlight zone)
I think we’re still in the twighlight zone)
It's a point of view. I'm more interested in evidence from epidemiology and WHO experts who've been here before...
If you are concerned about China's openness to report the real figures just look at the countries nearby who both have close relationships with China and were the early countries affected such as Taiwan, Thailand, Singapore, Japan and Hong Kong. The figures from these countries should get give you an idea on how much risk you are, in HK we have lost two so far, both were with existing health issues, Japans being a bit skewed as they decided to cloister them all together on a boat (though maybe this was a good lab test?). The biggest issues we have are the spurts of panic buying which usually last a few days before people realize that no, we have enough toilet paper, that and the almost religious zeal that face masks have taken on as the accessory of choice.
Most business are effected not by people falling down dead but simply not being able to work because of external restrictions barring the going into work, which is probably helping stop the spread in the long run. Its surprising (or probably not) to find out how many companies dont seem capable of surviving a 2-4 week run of minimal business turnover, that is going to the the biggest affect this epidemic has on the world, not the deaths but the stress test to businesses and the global economy in general.
stewartc - you make an interesting point about global supply chains and, by association, the reliance so many companies have on just-in-time deliveries.
Slick supply chains are great when you can control the variables but Covid-19 has been outside the control of logisticians so the system cannot cope.
How long until production and deliveries get back to near normal; then add in shipping time; containers and ships in the wrong places.
That's just based on product from China; if Covid-19 gets a real grip elsewhere the impacts on global trade, as you say, will be a challenge.
If you want a coronavirus conspiracy, there’s one going around that blames 5G phone technology!
http://www.radiationdangers.com/5g/is-the-coronavirus-actually-microwave-illness/
We’re really doomed.
“The Committee on Ethical Aspects of Pandemic Influenza developed Three Wise Men for that circumstance – everyone matters equally, but not everyone gets treatment equally – the goal is to minimise the harm the pandemic causes.”
He added: “We barely coped with a standard winter – which helpfully had an early flu spike, so everything didn’t hit at once – the idea that we can cope with a pandemic is nonsense.”
He explained his own hospital plans included cancelling elective operations for things like hip and knee surgeries while taking over theatres and recovery areas to put ventilated patients adding the trust would “drop staffing ratios as low as we dare”.
“If this is like the 2009 flu it’s going to be very bad. We’re in a worse position than we were then. If it’s worse than that we’re going to be in deep trouble.”
Do I need to break out the comical Ali meme again?
It's mildly amusing that the demographics most likely to die from this or get shafted by the government are the ones who mostly voted for brexit.
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If you want a coronavirus conspiracy, there’s one going around that blames 5G phone technology!
I made the mistake of looking at that. Pretty odd ball to say the least eh?.... But then I scrolled down to the comments section..... absolute bat s*** crazy stuff there.
I'm pretty despairing. The net was meant to disperse knowledge but a good chunk of it is just enjoy disposing of knowledge.
I’ve had daily emails since the possible threat was recognised
Maybe just Worcestershire then as they definitely have had nothing.
Our local "cheap shop" owned by a Chinese family and stocking Chinese products is running on a staff of one. The son of the owner (my friend Ye). The rest of the family - Ye's dad, his wife Lulu and his cousin, are all avoiding the public in the shop. The primary school aged son still goes to school. When Ye has to do something away from the shop, the shop closes.
On Spanish tv they showed that these types of shops in more densely populated areas were simply staying closed.
It’s mildly amusing that the demographics most likely to die from this or get shafted by the government are the ones who mostly voted for brexit
Mildly amusing for you to think that those who voted differently to you about EU/Brexit will die? If there such a thing as Karma then you best be worried. But congratulations on identifying yourself as a very special sort of nasty person.
Just suffered 10 minutes of some self-entitled tourist in Tenerife on the BBC describing the "hell" of being holed-up in a hotel for 2 weeks and how she'd rather be in "England" - I bet she wouldn't if she lived in Ironbridge?
If you want a coronavirus conspiracy, there’s one going around that blames 5G phone technology!
I can do better than that
https://twitter.com/Wirral_Innit/status/1228326646094192641?s=19
Hopefully this is an anomaly or an error in her first test but..
Maybe just Worcestershire then as they definitely have had nothing.
Has it become transmissible by water then?
On Spanish tv they showed that these types of shops in more densely populated areas were simply staying closed.
All open up here. There's a big one where I pick up junior from the school bus and it's been rammed with folk the last few days buying carnaval costumes.
There's a school in Buxton been closed for deep cleaning after a confirmed case there. That's getting quite close to home!
Might avoid the Buxton train line for a bit...
Has anyone found any decent (i.e. informed, scientific, not mental) twitter accounts to follow on covid 19?
Apparently 14% of chinese cases are redeveloping it (or more likely, becoming asymptomatic for a period before something triggers it again). Even more uncontainable!
From bbc:
Chinese health officials say that about 14% of people who had the coronavirus but recovered and were discharged from hospital have tested positive for the virus again.
@drericding
Has some interesting insights. Did put a full link on, but it embedded his entire tweet history onto the page.
Just suffered 10 minutes of some self-entitled tourist in Tenerife on the BBC describing the “hell” of being holed-up in a hotel for 2 weeks and how she’d rather be in “England” – I bet she wouldn’t if she lived in Ironbridge?
Was that the one wearing sunglasses 3x too big for her head having a rant about how the government should be dropping everything to charter her a flight home?
A good article here
https://medium.com/@pullnews/the-coronavirus-may-be-more-serious-than-we-think-b590e35ab6fc
The net was meant to disperse knowledge but a good chunk of it is just enjoy disposing of knowledge.
Some boggling conspiracies doing the rounds on the usual anti-science/tinfoil-hat subs in Reddit. So far I've stumbled on variations of:
- It's all fake. Paid actors to keep you scared, lower the over-inflated stock market and push the Big Pharma vaccine propaganda
- It's real but is a bioweapon released by "the elite" to lower the world population
- It's actually transmitted in Corona beer, who recently moved production from Mexico to China. They called it coronavirus to make this claim seem silly.
- China released this in retaliation for Trump winning the trade war with them
- It's God's divine punishment for LGBTQ/liberals/atheists/whatever
Make's sense. I mean it couldn't possibly just be a virus that evolved, because evolution isn't real. Right? 🙄
I was wondering about that the other day - just because you've recovered, doesn't necessarily mean you aren't carrying the virus any more.
Thanks Martinhutch - looks good
Checked out your beard safety yet?
So I've just shared a lift with someone at work who was wearing a kungfu panda face mask. I guess it was only a matter of time before they became a fashion accessory.
oh christ maybe we are all going to die... Hang on. No gray. Gray's okay?
Wouldn’t want to be Geoff from Byker Grove....
i see they've renamed the hitler as the "toothbrush"
I guess it was only a matter of time before they became a fashion accessory.
That boat sailed around the same time as galileo
Checked out your beard safety yet?
About 15 years ago.
theres a run on the sale of dettol! is there an aldi/lidl stw certified equivalent ?
It's down to smart vaccines activated by 5g...
https://twitter.com/twlldun/status/1232346216656244741
I've had a very minor tickly throat for the last ~30 hours and I've felt a bit fatigued despite tapering off the cycling over the last week. Have I got COVID 19, or is it just Cat AIDS?
Sadly I can't self-isolate from work in the short term, as I'm not due in until Tues, but it might play havoc with my indoor cycling from another storm blowing through over the weekend. 🙁
@PrinceJohn no surprise that the person posting that impressively bizarre conspiracy also identifies as a Trump supporter (from their profile pic and the fact it goes on to praise Trump for creating Space Force to combat this "weaponized technology")
Or...
maybe they are completely sane and just pretend to be a nutter Trump supporter to undermine his genuine support base. Maybe that's the real conspiracy...
or is it just Cat AIDS?
Do you realise how few documented cases there are of a real person contracting and recovering from cat AIDS? There are no human survivors of FIV, not one, that makes your 5g activated weaponised bat cold look like a bit of a sniffle in comparison.
several people in our office not have full blown flu and are still coming in.
Looks like its survival of the fittest.
Mildly amusing for you to think that those who voted differently to you about EU/Brexit will die? If there such a thing as Karma then you best be worried. But congratulations on identifying yourself as a very special sort of nasty person
I’m sure the decade of austerity and extra 350 million a week for the NHS will save them.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hZ6Ciuaalx0
That conspiracy theory sounds similar to the story of Kingsman: The Secret Service
some serious selling on the worlds stock markets looking like 4.5% fall in the FTSE by the close.
UAE Tour Cancelled with immediate effect
It’s down to smart vaccines activated by 5g…
Now you know what Lord Flasheart's been up to.
I made the mistake of looking at that. Pretty odd ball to say the least eh?…. But then I scrolled down to the comments section….. absolute bat s crazy stuff there.
I didn’t get that far, I read the opening piece, and had to stop, my brains were starting to leak out of my ears. Plus I’d likely want to throw things at the *wits who perpetuate that sort of garbage.
More on the UAE
klunk - we're well into 'correction' territory now on both FTSE and wall street.
I posted about this somewhere up there ^^^; market falls can take on a life of their own and become self-perpetuating. If we don't see an upturn by mid next week I think we're looking at a prolonged dose of economic pain; having said that, there will be share buying opportunities - timing will be all.
Also posted about pressures on global supply chains - it's not just running out of components etc, it's ships and containers being in the wrong places and that will take time to sort. This will expose the fragility of just-in-time and, maybe, bring product/component manufacturing closer to home (unlikely because of higher prices) or lead to increased stockholding (just in case - unlikely) or nothing will change (very likely).
So, we have just in time or just in case options; just too late is the missing component.
I wonder how many investors are beginning to panic and sell shares; this will depress the markets further.
The economic impact will far outweigh the physical. Went for a post lunch box stroll around Jordan yesterday, its a old school section of Kowloon near my office full of street markets and 'mom and pop' small shops. The street markets were still running as people need to buy their veggies but id say around 60% of the shops were all shuttered up.
Cathay Pacific are asking their own staff to take unpaid leave (management are of course not stating if they are volunteering as well) and although the majority of shops near my home are open its all on skeleton staff. Eventually these companies will not be able to afford to keep staff out of shops.
Home delivery services from the local supermarkets are now difficult to book, they are not stopping this service, its just take up is causing big delays in using the service.
As Frank mentions above about some gaining through this, shares in tech companies in the collaboration space are on the up as well as those making masks etc though I would sell my shares in any pleasure cruise companies if you have them (this is good as they are terrible polluters anyway).
One interesting part is, for me anyway as I work in the tech/project side of a large multinational, is how we are running with remote staffing and how the technology is bearing up with minimal disruption bar of course actually getting people in to do the work (well, China and Japan at present, India and Australia seem to be ticking along). The same can be said for a lot of my friends who work in the education here, they all seem to be handling the technology enabling remote teaching really well and most report that they are not getting the riding time they thought they could because they are still working, sadly for me also.
Also, being British and a little introverted, its a bit of a godsend having a plausible excuse for not going out to meet people for lunch, dinner, drinks etc and I for one welcome our new 5G/Chemtrail overlords.
Interesting watch.... Release date was over a year ago....
UAE tour cancelled after 2 Italian riders tested positive
> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/27/chris-froome-facing-coronavirus-test-after-uae-tour-is-cancelled <
It seems like part of the containment plan is to get us through winter in the hope that warmer spring weather will reduce the likelihood of person to person transmission. Therefore wouldn't it be better to make Froome, Cavendish etc sit outside by the pool all day rather than in an overly air-conditioned UAE hotel room??
Listening to the news this morning you'd think it was a zombie apocalypse. I really can't help but think this is a massive overreaction. The vast majority of people show little signs when they have the illness so how do they know it's not already wide spread?
The potential economic damage with such a knee jerk global response is far more concerning.
I'd just open the gates and let the thing run it's course.
several people in our office not have full blown flu and are still coming in
have they really? or have they just got colds? in my experience if you really have flu, you can't go anywhere
I’d just open the gates and let the thing run it’s course.
I think it's common practice to start such a statement with "I am not an epidemiologist but..."
I’d just open the gates and let the thing run it’s course.
Great idea. So let's say 60% of the population get it, so around 40 million in UK. Of that 40 million 2 percent are ill and need hospitalization, respirators etc,. and 1% of them die.
800,000 extra people in hospital (that won't be possible due to space, lack of equipment etc,.)
400,000 extra people dying (not great if you are one of them)
I think it’s common practice to start such a statement with “I am not an epidemiologist but…”
Your point is?
have they really? or have they just got colds? in my experience if you really have flu, you can’t go anywhere
All depends what type of flu. I have had flu in the past where I struggled to get out of bed for a week whereas Covid19 seems much milder (fever and cough) and not quite so incapacitating for many people.
in my experience if you really have flu, you can’t go anywhere
My experience as well. Had it once about 20yrs ago and lost about 3 weeks of my life. If you can get to the bathroom unaided you probably haven't got "Flu"!
But it's not flu kerley, that's sort of the point and the problem.
Any who, covid nearly caused me to crash this morning. Jeremy Hunt being interviewed on R4 "we're a mature democracy and I think we can count on the cooperation of the public..." WTAF I appreciate he can't say "we're doomed as the public are largely idiots on their own and get more stupid the bigger the herd" live on national radio but crikey, he may as well have said "sod you all, I'm a lizard so can't catch it anyway and I'm off to live on the moon."
Great idea. So let’s say 60% of the population get it, so around 40 million in UK. Of that 40 million 2 percent are ill and need hospitalization, respirators etc,. and 1% of them die.
800,000 extra people in hospital (that won’t be possible due to space, lack of equipment etc,.)
400,000 extra people dying (not great if you are one of them)
So instead, you economically bring the country to it's knees. Sorry, but I'm a realist and accept that sooner or later a pandemic will sweep the globe. Given the global population it's only a matter of time.
Where could the US patient who hasn't had any confirmed exposure have got it from?
Maybe a MAGA hat is a better bet than a face mask?
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/us/politics/coronavirus-us-whistleblower.html
So instead, you economically bring the country to it’s knees.
And you don't think 60% of the population being ill, 500,000 extra deaths to deal with, hospitals not able to operate etc,. will bring the country to it knees via another route?
You are not a realist, you are just somebody who puts the economy higher in the order of priority than peoples well being...