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So, allegedly.....
4 week lockdown in England from 1 second past midnight on Thursday.
Pubs and Restaurants to close....takeaway allowed.
No overnight stays away from home allowed unless for work.
No mixing of households indoors.
Education to stay open.
From December 2nd, Tier 1 - 3 will be reintroduced depending on how your local area is doing.
That's from Peston's twitter.....it's more detailed than my summary though!
“If we have a vaccine” we vaccinate everyone, there’s no reason to stop at “over 70s”. Scarcity is an issue of course but unless it’s something really exotic or shortlived could be overcome.
From everything I've read there is no plan to vaccinate everyone. If you are under 50 without known health issues and and not in nhs or healthcare you ain't getting a dose
I've already voice my feelings on this earlier in thread but struggling to understand rational.
If it doesn't stop you getting it, only reduces symptoms then I can kind of understand why you wouldn't give it to folk whom would get mild symptoms. But If that's the case why give it to healthcare workers? It's either a dangerous desease for healthy folks or it's not. And it clearly is given the stories of long covid.
And if it prevents transmission surely it's an absolute no brainer everyone gets a dose to drive the r number down. Not just health care workers to prevent them spreading amongst the vunerable.
It goes without saying that vunerable groups, health care workers, the elderly etc should absolutely all be in line for it before a healthy young adult however
So... unrestricted mixing and “normal” life means doubling of cases every 9 days or so, right?
If that is the case, can someone explain to me exactly why the fsck the lockdown is coming into effect in another 5 days? Why is here a delay? Why not do it from tonight?
If that is the case, can someone explain to me exactly why the fsck the lockdown is coming into effect in another 5 days?
We haven’t been given a day yet but it’s so business and individuals can make plans.
Anything mentioned on"shielding"?
From everything I’ve read there is no plan to vaccinate everyone.
Correct as that’s not how vaccines work, the idea is vaccinate a high percentage which helps reduce the risk of spread.
From everything I’ve read there is no plan to vaccinate everyone. If you are under 50 without known health issues and and not in nhs or healthcare you ain’t getting a dose
I’m sure I read that the science is that you’re meant to vaccinate the spreader first so they stop infecting people rather than the vulnerable who may or may not catch it.
Indeed … carehome workers, other professional carers and medical staff first … then the vulnerable and their households. But this is “tomorrow’s problem”… and it’s a much better problem than today’s problem… and that is that stricter social distancing measures are being introduced… late… and it could well be a tall ask to get the public to go along with them, given how things are being handled by the… er… let’s avoid a fruitier word… “government”.
Considering the prevalence of long covid, I hope the plan to vaccinate certain groups is only the initial plan.
We haven’t been given a day yet but it’s so business and individuals can make plans.
Thursday is being reported, following a Parliamentary vote
The thing about letting it run through the general population is that that is causing a huge logistics issue for the general running of society.
I get a regular email from Northern Rail operations and the latest one was mainly a description of how difficult it is to run services when there’s a constant proportion of your staff off sick (although not evenly distributed around the service - meaning that some ticket offices have had to close briefly). The people not available to work (sick or required to self-isolate) means that it’s harder to run the required training to keep everyone’s skills up to date - all the more so because staff have to be organised into training bubbles. I rarely feel sorry for Northern but it sounds complicated and difficult.
Similarly, my neighbour works at a north Manchester hospital which can’t admit new patients. It’s not full, it’s just that wards are constantly being closed for deep cleaning whenever someone turns out to be covid positive. The logistics burden is massive (and can’t be avoided - you can’t ignore it just like you couldn’t ignore MRSA and other superbugs that were acquired within a hospital setting).
Reports are coming through that the university and teacher's unions have dropped a bombshell demand that all teaching moves online if any national lockdown is pout in place, hence why the press conference is delayed.
4pm
5pm
6pm?
Depends when Boris is sober. I'm going to watch the F1 qualy highlights then catch up afterwards.
delayed until 6:30
I’ll take 7pm in the sweepstake.
I’m sure they have a grip on things.
The fridge has a time lock.
That's going to annoy the masses, might affect strictly
Delay, dither, disappear.
Would we even be surprised if some photographer snapped him leaving by the back door in false glasses and moustache. 😂
He is having to figure out guidlines that let him go and visit his mistress
4pm
5pm6pm?
Dither and delay
Dither, delay, latibulate.
EDIT: okay, the version with full alliteration is better, I just wanted to give the Dent a nod.
Shower. Of. Shit!
Well C4 News were going to delay the F1 for the presser but they've got fed up and just said they'll tell us more tomorrow evening 😂
Will Boris have appeared by then?
I'd rather the entire government left by the back door in body bags, kinda apt given the sheer incompetence that has caused the utterly needless deaths of tens of thousands.
Could be bigger changes to furlough to make restrictions work. Or Boris has buckled under a berating from the back bench and another policy swerve is on the go.
FFS I’ve just been looking at our local area maps and realised that they are green up to 100 cases per 100,000. Making that look like it’s perfectly ok. It’s a comfortable blue up 400 / 100,000.
Look at the map for Germany - areas are red when cases go over 50 per 100,000. It’s like we’ve only created a sense of urgency when we’re already knee deep in ordure.
Where my family lives it went over 50 cases per 100,000 and everything non-essential will be shut as of Monday (no pubs, no restaurants, no ‘just serve a plate of chips with that pint and it’ll banish covid). I’m not sure whether it’s enough - are they behind us on the same curve or tracking for their second wave to be similarly less severe than ours as their first one was - but I guess it will be instructive.
Everyday there are fifty to a hundred thousand more people who will be asking themselves why they need to do all this lockdown stuff.
Correct as that’s not how vaccines work, the idea is vaccinate a high percentage which helps reduce the risk of spread.
So if the idea is to vaccinate to reduce the spread then why not do everyone if they want it, like some other countries are planning to do? What am I missing?
My mum is in high risk category. She doesn't have a carer, the person she is by far most likely to get it from just now and in near future is me. And if no-one under 50 gets a a vacine then realistically transmission rates will continue to be high amongst that demographic in future, and inevitably I'll get it at some point. Unless you are telling me that by vaccinating all the old and vunerable that's going to reduce spread in rest of population? Sounds far more likely that has soon as a vaccine is available and we come out of lockdown for a final time it'll rip through the under 50s like wildfire.
If I was vaccinated I'd have much less chance of passing it on to my mum. And if all my mates were vaccinated then id have far less chance of getting it in first place. I see no logic in not vaccinating as many as possible if there is enough to go round (what happened to the 200 million doses we bought)
Given everything associated with our government's handling of this has been an almighty clusterxxx please excuse me for questioning their strategy for deploying a vaccine, especially given it seems at odds with what other countries are planning.
And all that is before we even touch upon the fact that all evidence points to fact covid still presents a danger to the under 50s, even if the risk is smaller.
To be fair, this press conference is about 6 weeks late anyway
I'm amazed how they can be this disorganised and have no plan, after 8 months...
I know Boris is useless...but this is something else
tpbiker
Full MemberFrom everything I’ve read there is no plan to vaccinate everyone. If you are under 50 without known health issues and and not in nhs or healthcare you ain’t getting a dose
Initially, sure, but that's not enough to actually provide herd immunity. It's going to be the biggest logistical challenge in the world, for a long time after a vaccine is proven, so it'll take time to vercome scarcity- but of course it can and should be done For it to be worth doing as more than just a limited protection- ie, to beat the disease rather than just protecting a subgroup of people- it has to go out to the huge majority. And sadly that's looking more and more like it means "everyone who wants it", because there'll be so many refusers.
(and I feel like we have to bear in mind that this is a country that's government thinks it's OK for kids to go hungry, and a world where we don't even provide clean water to everyone. Just imagine the tabloids in a few years time "Cancel their benefits! And their vaccines!" "Now they're giving JAILBIRDS immunity! What next?" And in the states, people are complaining about giving covid healthcare to undocumented immigrants, even though the entire reason to do so is to reduce the spread, not to protect the immigrants)
Understand I didn't literally mean "everyone" just no "over 70s", it will have to be widespread- the point isn't just to protect the few that need it most, it's to stop the thing from reproducing and you do that with very high immunity. There's always people who can't or won't take it and that's why the cast will need to be wider than it might otherwise be. Which realistically in the current stupid climate is probably going to mean making it available to all.
They're just leaking bits and pieces in the usual drip, drip, drip way.
Same old shite.
Looks like I will be back to being exposed to lots of staff/students in school (in close corridors and classrooms) but won't be able to meet 2 mates outside to ride. FFS.
Apparently Johnson was visiting a Zanussi factory this afternoon and now no-one can find him.
Came across this site - https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid which graphs "excess deaths", England and Wales don't come out of the comparison particularly well for the first wave/lockdown period. Not sure if TiRed has a view on that.
A government that dithered and delayed on the second lockdown after dithering and delaying on the first lockdown is now dithering and delaying on the press conference to announce an end to the dither and delay on lockdown.
David Schneider
The press conference has been delayed because a turd is proving resistant to polish, a pig is refusing to wear lipstick & a Prime Minister is at war with observable reality.
James O'Brien
Sweepstake -
I'll take no lockdown,
Introduction of tier 4a+ everywhere,
You have to have a starter with your meal,
Announcement at midnight,
To come into force a fortnight from the day after last Wednesday.
I’m amazed how they can be this disorganised and have no plan, after 8 months…
Nine months plus, if you go for the case of missing COBRA meetings.
Full lockdown
Apart from schools
And apart from essential businesses
Companies can choose to be essential businesses
Oh and hunting, the parliament bar and Dominic Cummings are obviously exempt
Suggestion it is delayed due to this:
https://twitter.com/NEUnion/status/1322586657535700992
Nine months plus, if you go for the case of missing COBRA meetings
It just amazes me. If I run a meeting without an agenda I get chewed out. How can a government work on whims?
Suggestion it is delayed due to this:
https://twitter.com/NEUnion/status/1322586657535700992/blockquote >Gone?
Mentioned that at the top of this page, the unions have had enough and are throwing their weight around so that their members don't burn out or die.