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I don't think there is much reason to panic in food secure EU nations, but certainly, it's difficult to imagine countries like Hondurus, Venezuela, Sub-Saharan African states, not being hopelessly overcome given some of the problems they face at the best of times. Although given the Tories have undermined/underfunded/damaged state apparatus like health care, police, prisons, etc, which we now will be increasingly dependant on, perhaps a few chickens will be coming home to roost?
In my opinion, government should be giving reassurance to people and highlighting that food/fuel is not about to run out and that supply lines can be maintained. Having the daily rags like the Mail announcing 'troops to be put on the street' just creates panic. Government response so far seems contradictory and indecisive. We truly couldn't have had a worse time to be coming towards the end of a decade of Toryism. Maybe losing the last election was godsend for Labour as the impacts of Brexit/Pandemic could be felt for a decade.
Yet today all the shops I’ve just seen seemed as quiet as you’d expect on a Monday
Glad I don't live in Hampshire. Sounds like its rammed full of utter strokers who've had all sense of proportion surgically removed.
Other than one person with a trolley full of UHT milk and a sign at the checkout saying there was a limit on hand sanitiser I've been to the supermarket a couple of times in the last week and seen no evidence of that type of nonsense.
I don't know what people think is going to happen. The outcome of it all will just be a load of headless chicken morons with cupboards stuffed full of bog roll, UHT milk and enough pasta to feed an army.
Idiots!
Hey we are topping the charts in confirmed cases and Hampshire has a large percentage of tools like evrrywhere
mashr - it's clear you don't live in Lincoln.
Human locusts clearing shelves.
One couple of advanced age, both wearing gloves and large coats despite warm weather - trolley each; both filled with overflowing bags; shoe-horning contents into a v small car.
Madness.
I went to Tescos in my home town of Ludlow yesterday at 1530. I generally always go at that time because its normally dead, one or two tills open and a handful of people. Yesterday it was like christmas eve. Every till open, queues of 15 people at each one.
Its like the end of the world was coming.
WTF is wrong with these people!
I don’t know what people think is going to happen
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That is the problem, nobody knows what is going to happen. Lock down like other countries with people interpreting this as not allowed out to get any food. Sone clear communication would help massively I think.
And as for people coming together, that ship sailed in the 80's - everyone is in it for themselves now.
WTF is wrong with these people!
Nothing. The previous evening our government leaked rumours to a prominent journalist that the over-70s were going to be put under house arrest for 4 months. In those circumstances it's entirely logical and sensible to stock up.
In other news a report on the Guardian live feed says 40% of those in Spain who have been infected are hospitalised. Lets hope the official figures are wrong because I fkn hate hospitals.
I don’t think there is much reason to panic in food secure EU nations
What about the UK? Do you think we have food security?
WTF is wrong with these people!
Any one of them could be instructed to self isolate for a week at any point. If they usually shop just for the week, they need to get at least two weeks shop in (and they’re worried every one else will do so before them).
Government response so far seems contradictory and indecisive.
Youve just described the Health secretary's appearance on Andrew Marr yesterday
Scary reading. It only takes one...
https://graphics.reuters.com/CHINA-HEALTH-SOUTHKOREA-CLUSTERS/0100B5G33SB/index.html
In my opinion, government should be giving reassurance to people and highlighting that food/fuel is not about to run out and that supply lines can be maintained.
They have been as have he supermarkets but it’s been ignored or people didn’t seem to notice it.
In my opinion, government should be giving reassurance to people and highlighting that food/fuel is not about to run out and that supply lines can be maintained.
They have been saying this constantly. As have all the supermarkets. And theres absolutely **** all evidence that there is any risk to supply lines
The problem is that hysterical half-wits, who get their 'information' from Facebook don't want to listen and are busy catastrophising everything
The other problem is that Govt has lied and lied and lied to the point where no one trusts anything they ever say.
I'd say repeatedly roughing up the prime suspect is far more likely than writing any essays or completing any technical projects
sky beautifully clear today, a couple of military transports heading south but nothing flying north.
The other problem is that Govt has lied and lied and lied to the point where no one trusts anything they ever say.
So totally this.
If you get where you want and what you want by telling a pack of lies, disseminating fake news and undermining truth, then you cannot be surprised when you actually need actual trust and it just isn't there.
I've said this before but half the country are anti-Joris, despise him for his lies and don't trust him.
A large proportion of the pro-Joris lot love him for the fact that he is prepared to lie and cheat to do the things they want him to do. But they still wouldn't give him their own hard-earned for a second hand motor.
Then along comes an apolitical crisis that needs trust and lo and behold.....lack of trust.
Q to the E to the D.
Glad I don’t live in Hampshire. Sounds like its rammed full of utter strokers who’ve had all sense of proportion surgically removed.
I live in Hampshire, I am a known stroker 🤠
However, I don't shop in Tesco I shop in Waitrose (because it's closer) and apart from the normal moronic attitudes we have down this way contrary to belief there is food on the shelves.
Well that’s my brother advised to go into isolation because of his medical history.
Everyone watching the 4.30 presser when our glorious leader will reassure and mobilise the country in a fight to the death against the evil virus? He's probably watching this right now.
You can almost feel the fabric of society starting to unravel this morning.
FFS, hope you at least stocked up on Cornettos.
FFS, hope you at least stocked up on Cornettos.
Do youuuu want anything from the shop?
Just been to the supermarket. No bog roll or [pasta and one or two other shelves looking a bit bare. Weird!
What could our government do about a temporary economic contraction? Part2:
https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1239506183569977344?s=21
I’ve been ethically stockpiling by getting a little extra each week since January. Also betted against the FTSE 100 and 250 a while back.
Don’t know why you guys are shocked people are stockpiling.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FYgprocMOcg
Prisoners dilemma isn’t it
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner%27s_dilemma
Tesco, havant, Hampshire
Sunday 0930. Queue to get in the doors.
Queue to get on escalators
Trolleys full of bog roll, shelves emptied in minutes, ditto rice, pasta tinned goods
Some lines rationed to 1 per customer so couples were using a trolly and basket to get more
Big queues at the checkouts
People almost running round the shop. Buying hand soap, packs of mince pasta sauces
Noticeable air of tension and if anyone sneezed heads spun round like owls
8 miles down the road in Chichester on Friday night everything totally normal. Pasta shelves low on stock but pasta still available, ditto toilet rolls.
A few miles the other way and I was out and about in Portsmouth/Fareham on Staurday and Sunday and, again, everything looked normal around the supermarkets I passed. I would certainly have noticed queues out the door.
All seems very normal to me at the moment. (I'm sure that will change when we reach the point Spain and Italy are at, but currently no problems.)
Virgin Atlantic putting staff on 8 weeks unpaid leave. Very community spirited of Mr Branson the multibillionaire. What a ****!
It gets better. Billionaire Richard, who lives on his own island so pays no UK tax, has requested a multi-billion pound government (so taxpayer funded) bailout for Virgin Airlines which is presently under investigation by HMRC for tax avoidance
Just to prove Boris doesn't have the market cornered in high risk lunacy strategy how about no UK tax no UK bailout.
And back in the real world because that would be madness. A lot of people isolated with their world imploding is going require a whole new level of be nice to each other. Hopefully there is some form of national well being thinking on the go.
Been on the booze whilst WFH oap? 😂
A lot of people isolated with their world imploding is going require a whole new level of be nice to each other.
Unless you already hold a surfeit of cash/bogroll/linguine, that is.
Which is kind of saying the same thing in a slightly different context.
Well, yes, I think the UK would be considered a food secure nation, in that shortages, starvation, etc. are just unheard of. We can print our own money and use it to buy products and raw materials in a way many other nations can't. We have a highly developed economy which includes a resilient transport network. As a large economy, the government has a LOT of spending power before things start to nosedive. Of all the countries in the world, the UK should be one of the first to recover and the last to go under. What will be worrying is how the pandemic affects key industries like petroleum, agriculture, etc in months to come.
Mrs Immaterial just had a call from Immaterial major's school nurse saying they were sending him home as he had a persistent dry cough.
She asked the nurse if he'd used his asthma inhaler- the nurse didn't know. She asked if he had to self-isolate for seven days, and was told to follow the government guidelines. She also asked if WE had to self-isolate, and was again told to follow the government guidelines.
I will be slightly pissed off if the four of us have to stay at home because my eldest son has decided he wants to skip a week of school by not treating a mild asthma attack (he's inherited my crappy lungs).
More importantly, I'm also not sure if we all have to isolate, or if only he has to stay inside and the Mrs and I can alternate days at home looking after him. We won't know until tomorrow, I guess...
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Unheard of yes, except if/when the prisoner dilemma starts kicking in at national level, Europe remembers we brexited and they decide to limit food exports.
Well, yes, I think the UK would be considered a food secure nation, in that shortages, starvation, etc. are just unheard of. We can print our own money and use it to buy products and raw materials in a way many other nations can’t. We have a highly developed economy which includes a resilient transport network.
... for now.
Imagine where we'd be if the virus had broken at this point next year instead.
Have we done Virus Bingo yet? Just checking rather than feed the exponential explosion of virus threads in the forum.
I'm offering up the following:
Hello I'm Isolating - says it all really
Back to roulette - finished isolation, not tested and back in the line
It's me - a definite case
Hello from the rabbit hole - I'm a freshly minted armchair psychologist, virologist, epidemiologist...
It's the day job - the job is medical, virus, dealing with this shit for the rest of us
I'm drafted - it's not the day job but now it is in major way in some way shape or form
Pay it forward - you've been helped or are helping someone
In the event of the zombie apocalypse - done the serious conversation about life, death and family
Ring master - your trying to keep the whole rabbit hole under control
Letting it go - actually put minor beefs with people behind you
Hi how are you - checking up on those you haven't seen or heard of / generally lost contact with
Well that's original - repeating something already covered by someone else
any more...
… for now.
The economic consequences for both supply and demand are mind-boggling. It's ok though, because the UK govt are offering a whole 30bn to keep things going. Sounds a lot until you realise the fed has just injected 700bn in the US economy, the germans have promised 500bn to keep businesses running, with similar levels of support from Denmark, Norway and others. Anyone know what France, Spain and Italy are doing? If the UK doesn't do something massive soon the whole economy could collapse. 2008 is going to look like childs play compared to this.
Schengen area going into lockdown, no travel in from outside/the UK.
Meanwhile we let 3000 Italian football fans come over.
Yes Brexit, good god what a mess. A terrible time to have pissed off/insulted/messed about our neighbours. Maybe the ozzies can post us some shrimps.
Anyone know if this is just the schengen area been locked down? Media reports stating that it will be 26 countries so Ireland as well. I wonder how that’s going to work out.
Definitely, the level of incomptency/stupidity in this government will worsen the crisis. I've never seen such a bunch of lightweights. They are hopelessly out of their depth. Brown created $850 billion to bail out the banks, to put 30 billion in perspective. I expect they'll have to announce a massive stimulus package soon - but unlike Norway, it will probably be used to shore up the markets and protect investors, etc.
Been on the booze whilst WFH oap? 😂
Nah, just a greater outbreak of random than normal.
This is what you get from 4 days, imagine how out there it's going to be in another couple.
If it gets a smile or a bit of thought it's done it's job.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/14/coronavirus-vaccine-delays-brexit-ema-expensive
Brexit, the gift that keeps giving.
Potential game changer alert?
Is that the herd immunity via infection theory totally ****ed?
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/japan-coronavirus-test-positive-recover-a9404056.html
Could be poor immune memory. Could also be a number of other things that caused it, compromised immune system/latent infection with the virus hiding away.
No one is entirely sure right now. Either way Boris’ plan was daft for the same reason.
Is that the herd immunity via infection theory totally ****ed?
No, as is the case for all these viral things, it can mutate a little each time it passes on. You likely wont get the same one back again; but as he was on a cruise ship and then hospital, likely contracted versions of the virus that were many "generations" different.
No it’s not just about mutation, it’s also about how well the immune system reacts and creates immunological memory. Different viruses, disease and the individuals themselves elicit different long term responses.
It then depends on the immune function of the patient, maybe they are immunocompromised. Or maybe one of the tests after they “recovered” was a false negative.
Etc etc etc etc etc
Well, let's hope it wasn't a binary infect-recover-infect scenario....
Brexit, the gift that keeps giving.
Taking.
Brexit thread is that way —->
Yes, the stupidity of Brexit will be amplified over the coming weeks and months to the point where it may actually kill off one of the main demographics which voted for it - not that this pleases me in the slightest.
So we are not allowed to discuss how brexit might effect the coronavirus response, in the coronavirus thread?
Shall we start discussing the coronavirus in the brexit thread then?
Or are we going to find that the two cannot be discussed together because someone might get a little upset and throw their toys out the pram and demand bannings?
So another 171 cases in UK today but no news on deaths. Does this mean no new deaths or we ain't telling you now?
How about, practical effects of Brexit on UK response to coronavirus go here, vs the ideological stuff which goes on t'other one?
Now that the 'WHO' have recommended to "test...test...test every single possible case" will our government finally agree to full testing and if so dya think they have a contingency plan of how they will do this to put into place?, personally I've got pretty much ****-all faith left in the government of johnson & chums.
The wording is also changing it is now 'most' fatalities have been in individuals with serious underlying health issues.
How long until the 'serious' is surreptitiously omitted?
Not all had declared underlying medical conditions, so I'd say right at the start of the infection in the UK.
Town centre in Hampshire was noticeably quiet with less cars about too with the exception of number of very elderly crawling along in their cars and heading towards the supermarket. Wife's 88 YO step-mum (housebound with numerous chronic conditions) saying she's going to go outside and 'catch it' and get over it whilst being told she won't get hospitalised and suffer a long and painful death...
We agreed to sell the house just over a week-ago and plan to self-build in Scotland - survey this week but whether we'll get screwed-over on price or our move will get delayed will have to wait and see. If going ahead, I really need to get up to Scotland to sort a few things out next week - at least the roads will be quieter!
Just had to cancel a couple of meetings. Work from home until further say. Its hitting home now.
Listening to johnson, even if his script had been written by the medicos and scientists, inspires zero confidence.
Every time he opens his mouth he demonstrates he has no leadership ability at all and has no intellectual depth.
The 500 number exclusion in Scotland was well explained, or so I thought.
This is so inappropriate but I'm giggling at the facial and body movements of the sign language transcriber on the BBC coverage of johnsons spiel.
I'm going to hell aren't i?
Johnson saying 'I' all the time, Vallance saying 'we'.
Anyway, since my daughter has a cough, that's me home for 14 days.
Work from home.
No pubs.
No mass gatherings.
Whole house isolation for 14 days.
No lockdown for the elderly.
Johnson just doesn't have the gravitas for this job. The Chief Scientific Advisor is making a far, far better job of it, as is the Chief Medical Officer.
Johnson's communication is awful. He needs to be clear like mrmonkfinger - not waffle.
Also - testing is being ramped up.
WHO test test test and test people in contact with those tested.
Boris dont go to the pub!
Work from home.
No pubs.
No mass gatherings.
Whole house isolation for 14 days.
No lockdown for the elderly.Johnson just doesn’t have the gravitas for this job. The Chief Scientific Advisor is making a far, far better job of it, as is the Chief Medical Officer.
Thats because 1, they are knowledgeable people and 2, they dont tell untruths, half truths, and outright lies for a living. Not one govt politician has given a straight answer that I've heard. Now is not the time for avoidance and bull****
WHO test test test and test people in contact with those tested.
Boris dont go to the pub!
Yeah you didn’t listen to the medical officer who answered the question.
So wait theres still an argument about when to close schools?
surely this was decided weeks ago
is there a strategy or not?
Every answer johnson gives further re-inforces my comment ^^^.
Short on facts, long on waffle.
His limitations are being exposed ruthlessly and that will continue every time he's in the spotlight.
There is a strategy yes - wait until it's needed, don't close them before.
A key argument against closing schools is that it'll stop thousands of key workers from being able to go to work. Selective closing for kids of non-essential workers would be better.
My 2 year old granddaughter is more articulate than that clown.
My sis-in-law is a teacher in France and they're being told to prepare for closures of schools for most pupils, apart from children of essential workers (medical, police, fire...) - which seems a reasonable approach
There's been some talk of PHE taking in lab volounteers, it's being organised by some PHE staff on twitter in various regions. Colindale openly started recruiting but must have been inundated as they have taken the ad down now.
Errrr, French schools have been shut since saturday and there's no return date. Madame is a teacher and all she's had to do is put up some lessons on the Net, but as the network is saturated with parents trying to access their kids' lessons I would imagine most are playing computer games.
Hospital workers are sorting themselves out according to France Info and there have been no staff shortages so far due to doctors or nurses staying home to look after kids.
Selective closing for kids of non-essential workers would be better.
+1
Cant believe that's not been done.
There’s been some talk of PHE taking in lab volounteers, it’s being organised by some PHE staff on twitter in various regions.
Let me know if you hear any more as I'd do it.
Does it still count as travel if you are on a bike and go round in a big circle and end up back where you started?
And I’ll be on my own. And it’s very necessary to me. Anyone? **** it’s going to be a long few months.