‘Hands. Face. Space’ emphasises important elements of the guidance we want everybody to remember: wash your hands regularly, use a face covering when social distancing is not possible and try to keep your distance from those not in your household.
But not in pubs. Or classrooms.
Lots of interesting stuff on this week’s “More or Less” related to risk, testing, and contact tracing… and the numbers thrown around about them.
I can heartily recommend 'More or Less'. It is a magnificently unemotional take-down of this useless government's lies, half-truths, sneaky sotto voce caveats, bullshit and bluster.
The underlying narratives in this ongoing take-down are interesting too. Hatty Mancock is showing signs of becoming marginally more 'clever' by using barely audible caveats muttered as an aside. David Brent-esque moral cowardice in reality, of course.
But not in pubs. Or classrooms.
Or shagging mistresses.
But not in pubs. Or classrooms
That's the big problem right now. Or do we use government logic and all go to schools where we wont catch it.
Where, out of interest?
Milton Keynes, this is general admissions & covid
If everyone has been isolated for 6 months they might not have been exposed to a lot more than covid that could be catching up now
A cold winter & bad flu season combined with a 2nd 🌊 would be brutal (let's not mention a no deal Brexit crash out)
By contrast to Kimbers, my brother in law works in ICU in a big West Midlands hospital and says they're still at 25% of bed occupancy and have rarely been quieter. Said people are getting it but are recovering and aren't troubling intensive care.
He's oddly positive about the whole thing.
Comment I read in the Guardian today
Boris Johnson = Hands. Face. Waste of Space
Can anyone clarify the school rules / guidance on school outbreaks?
Seems a bit confusing..
In my daughters small Primary there are children in school with snotty noses.
There's a few kids off with coughs (not sure if a snotty nose and cough is grounds for a test?).
One class teacher has just gone home as his child has Covid symptoms (cough and temperature)..
At which point do classes or bubbles have to self isolate?
Can anyone clarify the school rules / guidance on school outbreaks?
Seems a bit confusing..
In short no. Its up to each school
Good article:
tests people are having to travel
For Greece, for travelers from specific high risk countries, you need a test certificate that includes your passport number. Would a standard NHS test have that? Unlikely I would have thought. If other countries had the same (reasonable) policy then there would be no tests “wasted “ on holidaymakers.
Been tough day so far, one of my sisters old friends died this morning after contracting covid19 during treatment for cancer and I dropped my brother and sister in law off at Heathrow so she can depart this world on Friday in Switzerland, which means my brother and nephew will be self isolating for 14days whilst grieving when they get back ☹️ not sure it can get much worse at the moment, at least our little wake for her on Friday night won't be restricted to 6 people.
That's terrible, Dickyboy. All the best.
Tough times in tough times Dickyboy. Really feel for you and yours. A hard year for you all.
That's a tough thing to read dickyboy, hope it all goes as smoothly as it can.
I like the way that the incompetence of the government announcements doesn't even register anymore now. Announcing a 6 person limit for Monday just means everyone will pour into the pubs this weekend for one last jolly, hardly a whiff of anyone saying it's stupid and should be done from tonight. We've got so used to this poor handling of everything it's now the norm, a very dangerous place to be.
Announcing a 6 person limit for Monday just means everyone will pour into the pubs this weekend for one last jolly
Sounds familiar...
I've now got visions in my head of Boris going "What did we do last time? Oh yes! It worked really well first time round so just do that again!" to his team and presuming he's taken care of Covid-19 again.
There's also serious speculation that Merthyr and the Rhondda Valleys could be the next places to go into lockdown in Wales. It really is playing out exactly the same as the first time round.
So reading the new rules, and I'm probably wrong, can I now have more than two other households round for dinner as long as there's no more than six of us? I.e. can I have my dad and sister over, who both live separately?
As much as I thought it was a good thing as a Scotland resident to allow the Scottish government to do their own thing when England was not getting it right it feels like the time for all nations to rationalise to the 'rule of 6' between now and spring (unless it has to be more draconian).
Who’s applying for a job as one of Boris’s new ‘Covid Marshalls’ then?
The head of the Police Federation was just asked on Five Live what powers these ‘Marshall’s’ would have.
His answer: “I haven’t got a clue. It’s the first we’ve heard about it”
So, like the world-beating test and trace app, we can add Covid Marshall’s to the growing list of things that definitely aren’t going to happen, then?
Wales - upto 30 outdoors - that's 20 an 30 something Manchester residents off to N Wales coast for a spot of camping from now on. Like most others I'm a bit baffled why they are going for another Big Boris Blowout weekend approach again.
can I now have more than two other households round for dinner as long as there’s no more than six of us?
Yes. You and five mates can have a party in your house. Two families of four can not meet up to walk in the hills. I'm sure it makes sense to someone.
EDIT: not "now", but from Monday
**** me what a day, my other sisters sister in law has just discovered her partner dead, he'd shot himself, her husband died 20yrs ago, 10days after trying to rescue their daughter from a house fire (but she was safe in the back garden). So much tragedy for one family right now ☹️
So you can only be in groups of six but still sit in the pub and go to a football match or do organised sport. Seems to be saying you can be in big groups if your not friends or family. As far as i'm concerned the government had very little credibility before covid and they now have absolutely zero credibility.
Dickyboy, that is very scary. Don’t know what to say.
Bloody hell Dickyboy! Look after yourself, brother. That’s terrible. So sorry to hear 🙁
Thanks Kelvin, my sister married into a family of 11 kids I've lost count of how many have died in tragic circumstances and its all getting too much today, thankfully I have a big loving family and friends here but my sisters are in Australia & Zambia ☹️
I can see where the next out breaks are going to be.
Dropped eldest at uni.
Visitors just wandering the halls corridors, including family of 5.
No lounges allowed due to cv19, but the smaller kitchens are of course open, so guess where they are all crowding into? Including last night's party of 30+ Rumor is of a big party on Friday, it's Freshers after all.
Masks supposed to be worn in corridors of halls and all uni areas. No-one was wearing them in halls, and the uni bar no one has them on either.
Although there's a few sanitiser points in entrances, both in sons hall were empty, and have been since Monday.
So that's a thousand+ freshers from around the UK, on one site alone.
How long before eldest calls to say he is ill?
😟
Dicky, that's terrible. Take care of yourself and your family.
Be strong.
Thinking of you.
Dickyboy, puts a lot of other people's issues into perspective. Keep posting, stay sane, you know youll get nothing but support here.
Matt, unfortunately I think you will be right. My 16 year old goes into halls in Manchester this weekend (she's at ballet school but they live with university students). It was quiet last weekend when dropped her stuff off but not looking forward to this weekend. Luckily the halls seem to be 3 flats groups on each floor instead of lots long corridors so hopefully there won't be too much interaction if they don't want to.
I can see where the next out breaks are going to be.
Dropped eldest at uni.
From a friend who teaches at a uni in California
"The other universities have been a nightmare though so everyone's nervous. My neighbor just sent their son to Iowa State University where students and staff tested 24% positive last week "
My 16 year old goes into halls in Manchester this weekend (she’s at ballet school but they live with university students).
(〇o〇；) yep, definitely nothing to concern a father in that statement! What could possibly go wrong!
Maybe the cunning plan is all students to infect each other whilst only interacting with fellow young people?
Hands face space er moonshot.
If all else fails imaginate something 🙁
Maybe the cunning plan is all students to infect each other whilst only interacting with fellow young people?
There’s an argument that if you can keep them all together and minimise outside contact that’d work.
Sadly, I suspect at least 1/3 will go home most weekends.
Thanks @kelvin seems crazy that they're tightening stuff up but now people can do that! Works in my favour though I guess.
Hands face space er moonshot.
If all else fails imaginate something
Unicorn testing army! On hoverboards!
Yesterday's Gov press conference seemed solid to me. The solutions aren't going to be simple as can be seen across the world. Slacken rules one area tighten them elsewhere and repeat indefinitely.
Hands face space er moonshot.
If all else fails imaginate something
Unicorn testing army! On hoverboards!
This seems ripe for adaptation by the 2012/W1A team.
Clear guidelines to me. Just keep your distance and don't run off to the beach or a busy pub when you simply dont need to.
The problem I'm facing is people keep walking up to me and looking offended when I back away. Might have to start reporting people to hr at work who are not following very simple rules.
Clear guidelines to me. Just keep your distance and don’t run off to the beach or a busy pub when you simply dont need to.
but if you do, only do it in a specific and limited way.
Sadly, I suspect at least 1/3 will go home most weekends.
Indeed, or Glentress with the MTB club on Saturday, in multiple cars and minibus, who honestly aren't meeting up as a group...
