I guess the Majorcan locals who have been protesting about tourists may get their wish.
Off topic, but why are they protesting? I thought the tourists kept the economy afloat?
Before we all start buying loads of PVC sheeting and gaffer tape, this article illustrates where things are at present, globally:
The slowing rate of new cases, deaths etc in mainland China offers hope. Any idea why this is? Containment, mis-reporting, weather??
For context, according to Brake.org.uk 5 people a day die in traffic accidents in the UK i.e. So about 300+ this year.
For context, according to Brake.org.uk 5 people a day die in traffic accidents in the UK i.e. So about 300+ this year
the number is nearer to 1800 and has remained steady for many years
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5 a day = 300!
There's been a surge in Laptop prices via our reseller channel. I didn't see the connection at first, I'm moaning to my rep about pricing, he says "it's Coronavirus ain't it!" I thought he was taking the piss, but of course I'm trying to source piles of them for clients who are stock-piling expecting large numbers of staff needing to self-isolate and work from home, as is everyone else.
Between that and the flooding we had here last month, I can't remember ever being so busy.
So about 300+ this year
probably means 300+ so far this year.
**** know about the link but its a article on Bloomberg's website today.
300 being 60 odd days so far this year at 5 per day? So 1825 per year. Do you lot want to see full working out as well?
5 a day = 300!
I think they’re talking about fruit and veg.
Containment, mis-reporting, weather??
Could be all three, who knows.
Could be that China has changed its tactics from attempted containment to limiting economic fallout, its all a PR game for the CCP - it’s all about the optics, be seen do be doing something, then once the economy gets hit to hard play it down - the CCP are even trying to redirect public anger by blaming the west for the disease now.
Again, we don’t know anything truly concrete. We will know once we’ve seen how it spreads in Europe and America.
The WHO seems to believe them, but we know that it’s not out of the realms of possibility for a authoritarian country to be able to present a good image to visitors whilst corruption is rampant in the background.
This article slowpuncher.
probably means 300+ so far this year.
I took it to mean that.
It'll be interesting to see if Italy's action of closing schools has any effect, or will it just delay the spread by a few weeks.
Fairly happy to hear Matt Hancock stating that once this is over, we need to look at improving people’s health in work and encouraging employers to care more about their workers health.
Whether that translates to a genuine caring Tory policy or a psychotic Cummings “**** the poor anD ill, force them back into work” type policy remains to be seen.
https://catholicherald.co.uk/lourdes-shrine-closes-healing-pools-as-precaution-against-coronavirus/
Like WOW.... can't the pope or a bishop just bless it or something? Why would they close the only known and medically proven cure now?
Ironically enough doesn’t this nursery rhyme owe it’s origins to everyone dropping dead during the black plague? 🤣
You must of read that on the side of a bus.
Laptop refresh at work has been curtailed to provide people who normally come into the office with a laptop...
Have we any evidence on the claim people in the U.K. died of Corvid 19 months ago yet?
Could well have as Corvid19 wouldn't have been checked as a cause back then and they would have just died of pneumonia along with 1,000s of other old people over the winter.
Ironically enough doesn’t this nursery rhyme owe it’s origins to everyone dropping dead during the black plague?
I grew up with that explanation. It was a suprise when people debunked it here !! But live and learn.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_a_Ring_o%27_Roses
For context, according to Brake.org.uk 5 people a day die in traffic accidents in the UK i.e. So about 300+ this year.
That is not context. 1800 people die every year in road traffic accidents.
The difference with Corvid19 is the potential and the unknown.
We pretty much know that around 1800 people will die in RTAs this year. We don't have a clue how many people will die due to Corvid19. Could be a handful, could be 100,000
Based on that should we not bother dealing with Corvid19 because more people might die in RTAs?
im a bit confused about the “half-1/4- 60% of the population will get it” doomsayers in the media.
Wuhan is a city of 11 million yet there have been 3000 odd deaths, 52k have recovered with 80k total cases in the whole of China.i’m not trying to say it’s not worth worrying about and I’m rubbish at maths but there will be billions of cases and millions of deaths if this is true.
just did a rough calculation on 7billion people and a 25% infection level and you get 5.5million worldwide deaths at 3% mortality. which is 450k deaths in the U.K at .87% of the worlds population. i would be very very surprised if this happens!
maybe its all project fear as a way of getting people to be sensible and minimise transmission.
this has probably been linked to before but a good source of data without added sensationalism
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Closing schools is a tricky one to call. Here in Switzerland (100 cases, 1 death) they are reluctant to get to that stage because it will, in general, mean that working parents will call on the grandparents to look after the kids and the authorities want to minimise the most at-risk group of people from contracting it..
Kerley, It is context in terms of where we are now in terms of cases and (thankfully) lack of fatalities. Nothing more, nothing less.
What the Coronavirus End Game Will Look Like
Based on that should we not bother dealing with Corvid19 because more people might die in RTAs?
Yeah. That's right. Almost word for word.
If the mortality rate truly is 6%, then total UK fatalities would be closer to 4m, than 450k, and total worldwide fatalities would be in the region of 0.5bn or 5x the total number of casualties of both World Wars.
Could well have as Corvid19 wouldn’t have been checked as a cause back then and they would have just died of pneumonia along with 1,000s of other old people over the winter.
But surely we’d now have millions infected instead if 10s if it had been around for months.
Crows, Magpies, Jackdaws and their ilk considering legal action to stem increasing use of the misnomer Corvid-19 and launch education campaign to explain it's Covid-19
Corvid19 - first symptom is a nasty chough ?
Getting serious now. I’ve created an eponymous folder in my email. Might do a little panic buying on the way home if wife can’t provide a bog roll update in time
Corvid-19 and launch education campaign to explain it’s Covid-19
They’re taking on Apple?
Corvid19 – first symptom is a nasty chough ?
One of them yes.
According to wikipedia this is Corvid 19
He's a handsome fellow
Should we wait a few months then redo the BRexit vote with that demographic thinned out a bit ? Sorry, too early ?
Careful now, I've already had a post cut and a warning for daring to say there are positives to this, and every disaster.
Only hand wringing posts and panic spreading rumours allowed.
The only solution: stone the crows!
But surely we’d now have millions infected instead if 10s if it had been around for months.
Yep, and we may well have way more infected than the data suggests. Remember only 13,500 tests have been done and the majority of people will have very mild symptoms so would even call for a test
Interesting short podcast on it.
Yep, and we may well have way more infected than the data suggests. Remember only 13,500 tests have been done and the majority of people will have very mild symptoms so would even call for a test
So says it’s 500,000 then but we’ve no confirmed deaths in the U.K. from a U.K. source of the infection. Like I say I’ve seen no facts on this just a poster on here saying they’ve heard about it. Facts are good, “my mate Dave says” not so good.
Two separate types being reported by the media now, one more aggressive than the other
Two separate types being reported by the media now, one more aggressive than the other
Not quite sure I would believe that. I cant read all the article but it stops after saying "Genetic analysis of a man in the US who tested positive on January 21, also showed it is possible to be infected with both types", how can the virus have already mutated within one month of cases and in all places the US. Surely if a mutation was to occur it would have been in China where the virus is much more prevalent and was at one point basically a breeding ground for the virus (my thinking is of watching ecoli growth sped up in petri dishes vs antibiotics and eventually e-coli gaining antibiotic resistance in a few thousand iterations of evolution).
Although I guess if it was struggling to gain a foothold in the US and needed a mutational boost, evolution paved its path there. Not sure Covid19 will appear on Plague Inc for a few years. Not sure I can relate any knowledge from hours wasted on that game to a real life mutation scenario...
EDIT- just read the other link. Guess its not too soon at all.
That Torygraph article above is shocking journalism. Entitled 'Coronavirus has mutated into more aggressive disease, say scientists'.
It starts with: 'The older ‘S-type’ appears to be milder and less infectious, while the ‘L-type’ which emerged later, spreads quickly and currently accounts for around 70 per cent of cases.'
Then a quote: “At the moment we don't have hard evidence that the virus has changes with regards to disease severity or infectivity" -hardly what the title said.
Then 'The Chinese scientists, who analysed the viral DNA from 103 infected people, said it appeared the less dangerous ‘S-type’ was now taking over...' So which one is taking over? L or S-type??
Then: 'It could be the virus mutating to a less dangerous form, or it could be the superhuman lockdown measures' Is that the same as being a more 'aggressive disease??
Finally: “Nothing has occurred that is major and this virus appears to be stable,”
That's the kind of reporting that sells bog rolls though.
It is shockingly bad, but seems to corroborate some of what's being talked about in various New Scientist/Scientific Americana articles. It will be a while before we have any decent journal articles, but I guess I can do a quick trawl of NCBI etc. Either way if there are two variants, then I would imagine that makes the likelihood of a second wave this winter a bit higher.
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absolutely. Not the clearest paper but the story that appears is an unwarranted extrapolation:
Paper: S and L types: https://academic.oup.com/nsr/advance-article/doi/10.1093/nsr/nwaa036/5775463
Although the L type (∼70%) is more prevalent than the S type (∼30%), the S type was found to be the ancestral version. Whereas the L type was more prevalent in the early stages of the outbreak in Wuhan, the frequency of the L type decreased after early January 2020. Human intervention may have placed more severe selective pressure on the L type, which might be more aggressive and spread more quickly. On the other hand, the S type, which is evolutionarily older and less aggressive, might have increased in relative frequency due to relatively weaker selective pressure.
newer is a but nastier so detected quicker and spreads slower. But what do I know.
I provided an alternative Rayban rather the “OMG! It’s mutated into something worse”.
Cheers for the link John
That fits into the comparisons with flu, which shows bad symptoms early, so patients are isolated before they start spreading.
