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That’s defensive bollocks
They didn’t have any advice. They didn’t know what to say. They suggested going to other depts to ask but had no clear policy or even a consistent message.
Yeah only one person being defensive. Try reading the the guidelines it’s very clear.
Aye self isolation is great if you have the means to do so. For the rest of us however that's not an option.
Has it been admitted that ND didnt have any previous contact or travel history?
It was reported that the origin was unknown. Whether that just means 'not yet determined' is another thing, but the list of confirmed cases still isn't massive. Wouldn't want to be the one contact tracing through her diary.
It would make sense for the kid to stay off school for a few days but that isn’t the advice
As I suggested many pages back, closing the schools would have a huge effect on transmission vs economic costs, especially Primary schools where most of the kids are not necessarily competent at hand washing or hygiene.
Can’t you use your common sense without waiting for someone else to tell you? The risk you run is infect half the school.
Not nowadays... at least realistically (i.e., do you then send them back to catch the next virus) most primary schools are the major transmission motorway for more traditional corona virus variants. (I'mn not suggesting we don't all spread colds on trains and at work, just that chance is the person you got it from traces back to a primary age kid)
The anti-bac hand sanitiser provided at work is alcohol free but states anti-viral on the label. I have no idea if it’s effective against coronavirus but was basically told to eff off by the H&S bod when I questioned it this morning.
Over in USA, MIT and other universities clearing out undergraduates, telling them to leave by Tuesday and not expect to be back until Autumn term. Switching all classes to online.
Wonder if/when UK follows, I have a kid at Imperial with two European field trips booked.
^^I'd pay to see that implemented in London
They use their feet too to operate the water flow!
Heard mention that Silicon Valley is pretty much all remote working for the moment. That makes a lot of sense for the people that can do that, but I do feel sorry for the techs that need to be on site to fix stuff.
Following on from that daily mail front page, we've had a briefing issued this morning regarding the plans for ramping up testing. They've been discussing options over the past few days. What that means is the head of our "pathology network" arbitrarily decided which lab in the area would take on the testing then gave them two days to "sort it out."
Up until yesterday, we'd tested 60 patients (all negative) by sending samples to a regional Centre. Now they'll be going to the closer lab as the expected sample numbers will increase.
They've said that the chosen Lakb will need to operate 24/7 and the other labs in the area will need to send staff to help keep this operating. The only problem with that is there are not enough staff at the best of times to cope with routine, day to day work in each lab. If this really does take off, routine pathology testing will suffer with samples just being sent out as "not tested."
For my part, self-isolate and stay at home if you have fever/cough seems completely logical now, test or no test.
Agreed. In fact there is a school of thought that, as we move from containment to delay/treat, there is little point in doing any testing other than to track the epidemiology.
If you get mildly ill then self-isolate, if you get proper ill or have preexisting risks then call 111.
Any front line NHS workers care to comment on just how. Much better the NHS would be able to help hundreds of extra sick people in I. C wards or high dependancy units in the summer
Most reports I hear are NHS stretched all year round with zero Extra capacity at any time
So it's irrelevant, if you need to put 50 people on ventilators but have 2, then you have 2.
Maybe in the summer you have 4 available but still nowhere near enough
Don't the army have n c b suits, deco kit, hundreds of empty barracks beds
Alpin and his crew of out of work chippy can build a ward in a week or so to help ease the load
My work finally agreed to cancel a conference we had scheduled for a couple of weeks. 40-50 Finance people scheduled to be in a hotel just outside London for 2 days.
At a wider business level, we've had no WFH guidance yet. Luckily I do work from home already. I do have an office in a hot desk place in Glasgow city centre but I stopped going in a couple of weeks ago.
I watched someone take the communal milk out the fridge a few weeks ago and take a huge swig from the carton. 🤦♂️ No way I'm exposing myself to that level of hygiene at the moment. Coupled with the cough fest that is public transport, I'm staying home as much as possible and limiting exposure to people and public places.
Any front line NHS workers care to comment on just how. Much better the NHS would be able to help hundreds of extra sick people in I. C wards or high dependancy units
Hospital doctor here. I've always thought that although the NHS is stretched and frayed edges can be seen, I would happily recommend treatment here - ultimately we'll sort you out. But I am worried that systematic underfunding of the NHS in the name of 'austerity' is going to be dangerously exposed by this.
However, the unwritten thing is that a lot of NHS productivity is tied up in a lot of things that are important, but could get thrown out of the window in a real emergency. E.g. comprehensive note taking takes ages. Checking and double checking prescriptions. Ensuring that every patient has a nutrition risk assessment, pressure ulcer risk assessment, venous thromboembolism assessment, dementia risk assessment, discharge planning. Making sure patients are rested, fed, taking time for communication with families. A good proportion of NHS staff will be doing managerial / audit / research roles at any one time. Staff members are not at work 100% of their waking hours (this is obviously a good thing in normal times). All of that stuff is important for perfect patient care but if a Wuhan / Italy scenario happens and our backs are to the wall, changes could happen.
As an example, I'm not an ITU doctor but I know how to set up a ventilator and use it - I wouldn't be half as useful as a proper doctor in that scenario but if it's the choice between someone dying of hypoxia I could, in a complete emergency, probably sort someone out.
From the messages coming out of Italy, it sounds as though they are already there - pure 'firefighting'. I've heard that people aren't even being considered for ITU if they are over 65 even if in good health. That really shocked me - the median age of ITU patients here is usually 65-70. At 65, most patients with treatable respiratory failure like this would be treated on ITU. Partly that's because of rationing treatment, but also we know that from the early data coming out of China, the mortality for old people once you get to respiratory failure (and thus need ITU treatment) is incredibly high whatever you do.
This idea about 'flattening the curve' is 100% what we need to do - not only as described to hopefully avoid swamping the NHS but also to delay and learn from what's been done in other places. E.g. who will benefit from ITU treatment and who, unfortunately, will not. There is a lot of talk about emerging treatments to 'switch off' the cytokine storm that appears to implicated in people becoming profoundly unwell; there are clinical trials ongoing of anti-cytokine and anti-viral drugs. I personally don't think a vaccine is likely to be available any time soon but if we can learn how best to treat people before everyone in the UK gets sick, then we can hopefully avoid seeing the horrible mortality figures coming out of Italy (and figures that are not coming out of Wuhan).
(and figures that are not coming out of Wuhan).
As far as I can see the key things are incredibly draconian lockdowns & 100s of 1000s of extra hospital beds to isolate & treat patients
Im not sure how we can hope to replicate that here
Am I over reacting? Pee'd the wife off this morning suggesting we should cancel our Friday date night trip to the cinema. With 2 kids under 5 and no family close by we don't get many chances for a date night, and I'm disappointed too, but I sort of feel that unnecessary social gatherings should be curtailed across the nation, and doing so would likely delay the spread a bit... So I said we would cancel..... That didn't go down well.
Has anyone seen an interview with or talked to anyone that's had it?
Im not sure how we can hope to replicate that here
We can't, and won't even try
Lets face it... loads of people are going to die and it'll be economic armageddon
So we might as well resort to what we do best in this country. Forget stockpiling bog rolls. We should all just bunk off work and go and get pissed, then laugh in the face of it before having a fight outside a kebab house at 3am tomorrow morning
Bloody hell!
> https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca
I work from home ~75% of the time ... after reading that, it's going up to 100%
Am I over reacting?
Have a read of that link I posted above. Whether we like it or not we're going to be locked down in some form. We should just get on with it, and you can make a decision to do that yourself now.
Am I over reacting? Pee’d the wife off this morning suggesting we should cancel our Friday date night trip to the cinema.
No, sounds sensible to me. We are thinking about cancelling some social engagments too.
At the end of the day you're going to have a crap time if you are getting concerned every time someone coughs around you. Better off buying a nice bottle of wine and staying at home IMO
edit. @LittleNose agree. I am working at home as much as possible. We've had no direction but I prefer working at home anyway.
Bloody hell!
https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca<\blockquote>
Just passed that link to our department head of, hes just said we need to prepare to WFH. Our IT system is truly awful and can only really handle around 5000 users on the VPN, they are advancing very swiftly plans to extend this and improve the system to handle around 20k people, this was a mid year project that has just been pounced upon by our IT managers as extremely urgent and needs completing within the month.
We're still sharing PBE during training sessions. Apparently it's fine because it's been cleaned with a telephone sanitising wipe. 😐
So what are the odds of parliament being told to WFH following Dorries' diagnosis do we think? The realisation they don't need to be there could save us huge millions on the refurbishment of Westminster and billions in expenses and second homes.
I go to the cinema quite often and, unless it's a blockbuster on opening week, the screens are normally 90% empty (often the bit right at the front is 100% empty). So you can probably sit somewhere without people coughing all over you. I would consider that pretty low risk compared to a packed out concert/theatre/pub etcAm I over reacting? Pee’d the wife off this morning suggesting we should cancel our Friday date night trip to the cinema.
I've got tickets to the rugby on Saturday in Cardiff. I have to admit I'm a bit twitchy about it - had a cold for a week and a half and I'm diabetic so could do with delaying getting the virus. Legitimate concern or carry on as normal?
Some weapons grade tool in the office next to us has just returned from fortnight holiday in Italy. Has spent last couple of days feeling unwell and only deemed to say something to boss this morning, having been in the building, toilets, cafe, meeting room etc...
Utter tool.
@Superficial, thanks, good post.
However, the unwritten thing is that a lot of NHS productivity is tied up in a lot of things that are important, but could get thrown out of the window in a real emergency.
What are the chances that there will be the flexibility to change the rules if that becomes necessary? In China, their system would just issue orders from the top and it would happen, but I'm not sure in the UK.
I personally don’t think a vaccine is likely to be available any time soon
How much of that is down to actually developing a vaccine, and how much is following the rules for testing it? Dynamic risk assessment across the whole risk is the way forward but I don't know if we have the culture to make it work.
How much of that is down to actually developing a vaccine, and how much is following the rules for testing it? Dynamic risk assessment across the whole risk is the way forward but I don’t know if we have the culture to make it work.
TBH given the economics of the common cold if there was an effective vaccine across corona virus mutations I think it would have been done by now?
There are some pretty effective anti-virals though but I think the risks from those is way higher than from COVID-19 ???
Some weapons grade tool in the office next to us has just returned from fortnight holiday in Italy. Has spent last couple of days feeling unwell and only deemed to say something to boss this morning, having been in the building, toilets, cafe, meeting room etc…
Utter tool.
This is why we are screwed. The utter stupidity of a significant proportion of the population. People not wanting to compromise their; holiday, concert, commute in the vain hope / indifference / delusion that they are somehow different from the thousands already carrying / ill / spreading. I've got 3 x tickets for the Stereophonics at the Hydro in Glasgow tonight. Told the wife and daughter a few days ago that we're not going.
The Govt allowing the Cheltenham Festival and other mass attendance stadia based events to continue is utter, utter madness. Regardless of how mild the symptoms may be in a young / fit / healthy majority, continued social interaction will pass the virus through them to the elderly and immunocompromised, causing untold misery and death. We truly are led by donkeys but hey; 'the economy' Rsoles.
How much of that is down to actually developing a vaccine, and how much is following the rules for testing it?
If I recall, le trump asked the same question in that video the other week and was told they have a history of making things worse so reducing testing would be bad.
See here for a better answer than my imagination: (amp link skips the sign in)
We truly are led
There's your issue. Don't be led by anyone, make your own choice.
Some weapons grade tool in the office next to us has just returned from fortnight holiday in Italy. Has spent last couple of days feeling unwell and only deemed to say something to boss this morning, having been in the building, toilets, cafe, meeting room etc…
Utter tool.
In your circumstances I can understand why you're raging about it.
A mate works for one of the big media agencies in that there London. They’ve put everything in place and this Friday they’re trialing everyone in the business, throughout the country, working from home. Offices not even open.
Anyone else hear of similar? Seems like a sensible idea if you’re the kind of business that can do it (ie: not making cars)
We've got contingency plans in place for us but it's pretty easy. We've all got Company provided Latops, VOIP phones and we're in IT support so if we can't do it...
A few clients are very focused on it now, buying laptops and other portable devices for staff etc.
My advice if anyone owns / manages a small business, get your plan in place NOW, don't wait until half your staff are self-isolating or they put down a 2 week curfew and then expect IT to have everything in place, it's neither quick or easy (or dare I say cheap).
I still get eejits on linkedin inviting me to pointless presentations and conferences, I take great delight in telling them to cancel. Govt needs to be a lot more forceful in cutting down on non-essential gathering like the Cheltenham fest, because open air events like that with portaloos etc are going to be a breeding ground. I'd lay a tenner on Glasto being cancelled.
As others have pointed out, the office based workers are in a better position to work remotely but everyone who isn't deskbound is stuck with the effect of other people's responsibility (as per MattOABs daft colleague)
In January we booked the trip to visit family in Sicily at easter. Gah. Even if the flight isn't cancelled I'm thinking it's going to be risky going even though there's no reported mass outbreak on Sicily... sensible suggestions welcome
Any front line NHS workers care to comment on just how. Much better the NHS would be able to help hundreds of extra sick people in I. C wards or high dependency units in the summer
I'm not, but my Wife is.
I don't know about ICU / High Dependency units, although a friend of my Wife does work in one and it's not like they're sitting around half empty just waiting for a pandemic to arrive, it's a considered a pretty tough gig in Nursing. Of course to get to one you'll need to go via A&E usually, they're already stretched and people with serious heart problems are spending a night or more on a trolley waiting for a normal bed, let alone ICU.
There's some flex in the system, my Wife for example will soon be likely told to cancel some or all of her wound clinics and residential visits to be redeployed to screen people for Coronavirus at home, she REALLY doesn't want to, 2 kids at home and a poorly Dad in Hospital already with a heart problem she doesn't want to catch it, but as much as she's saying she won't do it, I know she will, she'll moan every minute but she'll do it.
In my not very knowledgeable opinion, when the outbreak comes hundreds will die of Coronavirus, but lots more will die of other things, because it'll be harder to provide the right care. Triage is going to be brutally tough.
While we’re all gloating over Ms Dorries infection spare a thought for her mother of 84 who is in the same house and is probably not in a happy place right now.
Wishing this upon anyone is not classy.
Its a tough call between "have i got the virus, should i tell someone" and "lets just crack on" i suspect that lots will do the latter despite needing care.
I also expect there will be a lot of folk "putting it on" at the moment for a day off.
this Friday they’re trialing everyone in the business, throughout the country, working from home. Offices not even open.
Anyone else hear of similar?
we did that last Friday
Yeah, I made a right brag about on here yesterday... we’re WFH until further notice...
But as someone mentioned, there are still techs in the sites still there to support if necessary.
A few mates who work for other large Tech Companies are still going into the office as I type...
What will happen to all those who work for the civil service? Doubt they’ll be allowed to WFH and given laptops..
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Anyone else hear of similar?
We've made arrangements for everyone to work from home at no notice, if requested.
Very few of our civil service department have the ability to work from home. Such nonsense was stopped 3-4 years ago as the "best" way forward is clearly to centralise everyone into fewer bigger regional centres.
"This is why we are screwed"
Totally right. We are such a selfish bunch of twunts as a nation (hello Brexit?) that rather than self-isolate we'll self justify instead.
Picking my up my daughter from ballet on saturday in a small crowded cloakroom and one of the mums was coughing away telling her friend that not only had she been to Italy skiing all half term but that she had also been to Rome the weekend before on a mini break!!!!! The other mum literally jokingly said oooh perhaps you'd better self isolate and they both burst out laughing with one saying but that would stop me going to see Mamma Mia tomorrow and they laughed again. I asked why she was coughing and she looked at me with a pitying smile and said she 'just had a cough' It was probably the nearest I've come to murder in a while.
TBH given the economics of the common cold if there was an effective vaccine across corona virus mutations I think it would have been done by now?
Aren't virus mutations common?
There are some pretty effective anti-virals though but I think the risks from those is way higher than from COVID-19 ???
Are anti-virals targeting specific virus only or blanket cover all viruses?
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Over in USA, MIT and other universities clearing out undergraduates, telling them to leave by Tuesday and not expect to be back until Autumn term. Switching all classes to online.Wonder if/when UK follows, I have a kid at Imperial with two European field trips booked.
I work at Imperial, seem to be planning well and working from home support for for staff who need to self-isolate, not heard about anything on the student side though no cases yet.
83 more today, the previosu highest daily increase was 65 on the 8th. Looking at the total numbers its going up by a 1/4 to 1/3 every day. Whats a critical number when behviour needs to change?
Was in our office on Monday for a couple of hours. Quite a few people doing the usual office thing of righting the world. Quite a few said 'it's just a bloody cold, all this fuss over nothing'.
That attitude really is about to bite us on the arse badly. Official UK cases now up to 456, an increase of 83 in a single day.
More than that it would seem
83 more today, the previosu highest daily increase was 65 on the 8th. Looking at the total numbers its going up by a 1/4 to 1/3 every day. Whats a critical number when behviour needs to change?
Going by what has happened in other countries, I'd say in a couple of days we will be well passed 1000 cases, increasing exponentially.
In purely unemotional terms it is just a numbers game unless you go drastic and draconian very early doors.
We are bang on trend to be in exactly the same place Italy is in now in 9-14 days.
Quite why we should think any differently is beyond me.
With a two week incubation period this was always going to be difficult and (more importantly) onerous to contain.
Which forumite is it that owns a nuclear bunker again?
Hello @mudshark - Imperial too. We're just gearing up for WFH. Working out logistics for those that need to still come in.
TBH given the economics of the common cold if there was an effective vaccine across corona virus mutations I think it would have been done by now?
Aren’t virus mutations common?
Yes, hence why there is a new flu vaccine each year ... though I'm most definitely not an expert my laymans understanding is some families mutations are more different from our auto immune recognising the variant than others....
There are some pretty effective anti-virals though but I think the risks from those is way higher than from COVID-19 ???
Are anti-virals targeting specific virus only or blanket cover all viruses?
I was referring to the generic anti-virals... the stuff gets put into a work travel kit with "DO NOT USE UNLESS " in huge red letters when you travel to Areas with Ebola etc. We were always told it was an absolute last ditch thing.
I once nearly got forced into a bubonic plague vaccine decades ago due to a political, cross border dispute between Libya and Tunisia where one or the other was claiming an outbreak of plague in the other. Apparently that's a really dodgy vaccine as well but in the end the trip was rescheduled.
@dannyh I'm not convinced Italy is going to be the model for this, all the data suggests Italy are in a special place all of their own. Especially if we consider mortality.
The annoying this is that we are not prepared to go to war with the virus like they did in South Korea.
Where is our government promising 25 Billion to tackle it head on.
I will be interested what happens in countries 'under control' when they start relaxing bans and restrictions. That will be the time for real vigilance.
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Given where we are on the curve, expect things to be locked down in a few weeks.
Currently 13 days behind Italy, who have just banned public gatherings.
Balance for the government between being too cautious and the public not listening vs leaving it too late.
Going by what has happened in other countries, I’d say in a couple of days we will be well passed 1000 cases, increasing exponentially.
Especially as now we're finally increasing the number of tests we conduct each day:
- so far 27,476 people have been tested
- new tests up to 10,000 per day
We’re planning on effectively closing the office for a fortnight starting Monday, before reassessing matters at the end of this period. Thankfully, most staff are already set up for home working.
I’ve told my own team to begin working from home from tomorrow unless they’ve good reason to be present in the office.
We usually don’t permit home working for anyone responsible for childcare, but planning to waive this in the event that they close schools.
Feel very lucky that we’re able to do this and recognise that such steps aren’t practical for many.
I think the most concerning information thus far is that it is reportedly communicable during the incubation period, i.e. prior to the onset of symptoms. Was also concerned to hear that high blood pressure is likely to interact badly with it. Not worried for myself, or my own family, but parents and siblings are all falling into one risk category or another.
Interesting times.
Was in our office on Monday for a couple of hours. Quite a few people doing the usual office thing of righting the world. Quite a few said ‘it’s just a bloody cold, all this fuss over nothing’.
They might not be showing concerns but it is other people with weak immune system that might be affected if they are carriers.
At my office there are few of my older colleagues that have some underlying illness before and still recovering so they are the ones that is a great concern.
Sharing the good news: Petrols come down in price 👍😍👍
- may be short lived based on some of the conversations I've had today.
– may be short lived based on some of the conversations I’ve had today.
Ohh stockpile petrol...
Hmmm.... if I soak lots of sponges that’ll hold a few litres 😂
It'll come in handy for the bog roll riots due to start next week
Are all these people working from home going to keep there little spreaders, I mean kids, off school?
I hear you can make a workable petrol substitute by watering down alcohol hand sanitiser...
Thanks to mudshark and RichBowman for the Imperial update.
Hmmm…. if I soak lots of sponges that’ll hold a few litres 😂
Sounds fun.
Many of us are ready to work from home (University) and are now instructed to take laptops home each night - doesn't help when you forget to bring it back the next day !
Some NHS advice has been worrying a colleague. Her husband went skiing on Saturday in Italy, on arrival was told no skiing and your going home. Arrived back today and he is self isolating. NHS has advised she should carry on as normal going to work unless she get's symptoms - she's somewhat concerned it will be too late by then.
FYI if anyone is thinking about buying a Laptop or works for someone who is considering buying laptops or mobile devices to work from home, it might be worth doing it now.
Prices are pretty fluid with our channel supplier, they change daily with little rhyme or reason but they're up about 10% from 2 weeks ago, but that's not the headline really. All the good value / cheap stuff is gone. What's left is the older 7th Gen Intel stuff with the less than perfect 128GB SSDs or higher end stuff that's lovely to have, but not if you need to buy a couple of dozen that you may or may not use, or indeed just use for a short period of time.
There's a reasonably long lag from supplies coming from China as it mostly comes by sea so new stock is still arriving, but it's expected to be catching up with the disruption soon.
It's probably not affecting the consumer side at the moment, I doubt anyone is panic buying Acer laptops, and you can upgrade a Home PC to Pro pretty easily, but it's £100 per device.
Travelled through Euston quarter of an hour ago, place was comparatively ghost-like! This is the last of my perambulations for now, no word on WFH for me just yet (although I can, to a degree), although the company's getting well stuck into ensuring there's plenty of kit and access for the folks that matter.
Train is properly deserted, maybe six people in a carriage that would normally not have a seat free.
The Goverement has had a comprehensive plan in place to deal with a pandemic flu outbreak for ten years, background here.
Here is the preparedness plan which helps explain why the govermnment is doing what it is doing
And here are a number of papers which were used to help determine the best approach.
no, that would interfere with riding my bike!
Fair point
A department at work (not near me, I'm remote anyway) has a suspected case and the whole team's now WFH. Not a huge deal for us as we do it a lot anyway. Probably only 20-30 people in a large site though.
http://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-outbreak-declared-pandemic-by-who-11955521
can we panic buy now?
TBH I’ve been fairly ambivalent about it all. The death rates are what you would expect from a flu epidemic, concentrated in the immune and medically compromised or elderly. But the rate of infection has been a lot faster than I thought it would be.
My Wife is a TA in a primary school. One child in her class came back from Iraq on the weekend, he was sent home yesterday with a fever. His parents, both doctors, couldn’t understand why? She’s now waiting for the decision from the school as to whether they shutdown or impose self isolation.
Which leaves Boy2, who’s at Tech College, and me in the twilight zone of if she’s isolating do we? I can’t work from home. Our factory would need to shutdown, there would only be 3 people out of 54 that could work from home.
Boy1 is at Uni in Bournemouth, he’s at the Arts uni. There’s been a confirmed case in the non arts uni next door. He can’t work from home, he needs the workshops at uni to any work. Not sure what the outcome would be if they shutdown.
can we panic buy now?
We have to see where Italy was 2 weeks ago.
good links mefty
from quick browse does note that hospital capacity will be a crucial factor in a severe outbreak
seems madness that government have cut 20,000 beds since 2010 & even worse have slashed social care budgets so badly that bed blocking is already at a record high
Another day - and even more convinced we will not contain this anything like they have in China .. or even Italy for that matter.
Went to visit a care home last visit today. Sign on door before entering warning about sterilizing hands etc - No hand sanitizer available on entering.
After a bit of wandering about looking for a staff member, I finally found one and asked where to wash/sterilize hands ... shown into a little bathroom with a sink, but no towels to dry hands.
On leaving I seen 2 people enter the building without looking to sterilize/wash hands. I went to speak to the housing scheme manager to raise my concern ... her explanation was people have stolen it. She informed me there were 2 new cases in the local Merthyr area today too.
Yep not containing this.
Sky news reporting that a Downing Street source has said the Prime minister isn’t being tested as he isn’t showing symptoms.
Speechless.