[Closed] When consensus becomes impossible to ignore?

You must have enjoyed that DD...how long has it been draft form and were you looking in the mirror? I guess many of those reports had your name on them.

😆

Aw, sorry, you seem upset. I think a ride and some fresh air should clear your head. Maybe you'll return a more productive member of this little sub-society (if indeed, you believe there's such a thing).

(Oh and not that I should even answer the accusation, but, I'm not a reporter I'm afraid. Only spam, the odd truly arseholeishly offensive post and one where a picture of me from elsewhere was posted on here. So, you'll have to look elsewhere.)

Exactly doc, but don't destroy the dreams.....commerce is a cold and harsh substitute.

BTW drac, you guys are doing what YOU can on this and other negative comments. Noted.

Not upset in the slightest DD, other than the hit by a taxi thread, you have been utterly consistent. I will revert to my normal response from now as we don't need any more hammers. Enjoy YOUR ride.

If the forum has been rendered 'unusable' by the advertising, how are you lot managing to carry on with your incessant whining?

I reckon if you actually read the threads instead of posting your incoherent rants from somewhere up the muddy lane of STW, you might actually get the answer to this, not really pertinent, question. 😀

BTW drac, you guys are doing what YOU can on this and other negative comments. Noted.

Cheers. We are trying and it's frustrating for us it's taking so long.

Ok folks can we stop with the petty point scoring with each other and help concentrate on this issue being fixed.

binners - Member
If the forum has been rendered 'unusable' by the advertising, how are you lot managing to carry on with your incessant whining?

Whineycockbag.... Ah, I remember when we used to be able to dick about with our user names.... Pre-peak.

I'm surprised none of the sycophant P's hasn't tagged this thread yet (mind you, that seems to passed these days too).

Drac, I think 3Fish was talking about the P's not st towers. I feel similarly tbh. Having only been P free for a couple of months I had contemplated resubbing, however after the last week it's not a 'club' I really want to be associated with any longer...

All all that deadlines and business shit, jeez, get some perspective. It's only a mtb forum FFS!

Drac, I think 3Fish was talking about the P's not st towers. I feel similarly tbh.

So was I.

however after the last week it's not a 'club' I really want to be associated with any longer...

It's not a club.

It's not a club.

[i]If the forum has been rendered 'unusable' by the advertising, how are you lot managing to carry on with your incessant whining? [/i]

I'm not allowed to tell you. But on this site that particular feature of Firefox is turned off, out of loyalty to ST Towers. So something else is killing the pop-ups for me. That's nice, but it's all too complicated for me to grasp or explain.

Out of interest, if the value of your advertising contribution is £1.49, how the fercking ferck is that worked out then? Total clicks into total Web advertising income? Highly unlikely as income would have to
be a very, very big number... In other words; cobblers. It's a made up number predicated on what the market will stand (as pricing tends to be).

Last comment from me on this; Bikeradar has really nosedived as a result of very, very intrusive advertising and I (as a random sample of 1) rarely go there as a result. Also, when searching for stuff, if I come across a site that has said stuff but is a pain to use, I choose not too. That's all.

Disappointing that first steps were denial, closing threads, threats of bans.

Just so as we're clear:

Denial: I don't know about that (ironically), as far as I can see we (ie, the Moderators) have relayed what little we know and Mark's explained some behind-the-scenes stuff which we weren't privy to. If you're referring to something specific then I've either missed it or forgotten.

Closing threads: it's policy to close duplicate threads regardless of content, whether that's about advertising, last night's Eastenders, the latest viral video or whether your scrotum is made from the same stuff that's on your elbows. But it's particularly important in situations like this because your reports help the tech bods to track down the issue. If all the user reports are in one place rather than scattered across 37 threads, they're less likely to miss something pertinent.

Threats of bans: This is important so let's be clear. STW did not threaten to ban anyone. I did. The reason for the threat was quite simple, and it was nothing to do with any sort of 'suppression of the truth' you may be alluding to. Rather, new threads were popping up with such speed and regularity (and my responses were getting increasingly terse) that I suspected it was being done purely to wind me up. It was an empty threat (it should go without saying that no-one has [i]actually[/i] been banned) and the sentiment was very much "I've got better things to than sit here constantly chasing round in circles so knock it off". In hindsight it may have been better just to ask nicely, but diplomacy isn't one of my strongest attributes.

The "Issue" which dare not speak its name? It's worse than Hamlet round here sometimes.

The "Issue" which dare not speak its name? It's worse than Hamlet round here sometimes.

Cougar earlier.......

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THM earlier today, later today and probably still at it tomorrow.

^^^ I thought it was better than subscribers, lurkers, bighitters and freeloaders

If this is going to be the "catch all thread" then I say so be it.

I subscribed because I hate the Ads, don't really care too much other folks Cost/Income ratios because it's none of my business and TBH it's boring.

Only thing about this site that pisses me off, the logging in.

The sodding logging in process too.

The sodding Ads that pop up that prevent you logging in for about a minute before you can click that teeny tiny little (X) whaich happens to be the same colour font as the sodding Ad.

Once logged in mind I'm happy, so I should be.

But then I get logged out again.

And the whole darn process starts right on over again.

That, and that alone, pisses me off.

Only thing about this site that pisses me off, the logging in.

I use STW over 2 home laptops (Ubuntu and Win7), a tablet (4.4.2), my mobile (4.4.4) (and occasionally the Nexus 4 which has been retired) and like most, my work PC (win7).

I usually have to log in at least once a week per device. Is there something like a session time per login which gets corrupted when multiple devices (cookies~) are involved, meaning more logging in?

Only thing about this site that pisses me off, the logging in.

The sodding logging in process too.

Change your bookmark to this:

http://singletrackworld.com/wp-login.php?redirect_to=/forum/

If you're logged in it takes you to the forum. If you're not logged in it takes you to the login page, which doesn't have any adverts.

Cougar - could that be added to the Forum Help page?

So what are peoples settings? I log in about once a month if that, what am I doing right ot what are other people doing wrong? Is this the EU cookie purge?

I honestly don't know. My experience is the same as yours, which is why I was suggesting checking cookie settings earlier. Anecdotally, it [i]feels [/i]as though it happens more often when I switch to mobile devices, but it could just be that I've not visited the site on those devices for a while and the cookies have expired.

Of course, the more devices you use, the more times you'll have to log in if something changes serverside which kicks everyone out. Though if some posters on recent threads are to believed no-one ever does **** all round here anyway so that can't be happening too often.

All these threads prompted me to do some research into **redacted**. Being a 'P' member it makes little odds here, but blimey it has made some other websites a hell of a lot more pleasant to visit!

Cougar - could that be added to the Forum Help page?

Pass. It'd have to be done by the site owners, we don't have access to those pages unfortunately.

Needs a deadline tbh. 😀

(And ffs, make it an unmissable one this time.)

ROFL, passive what? How was the ride?

Good to see Tudor is STILL with us. 4x today.

mikewsmith - Member
So what are peoples settings?

Very simple me, iPhone 5s, iPadAir, MacAir. Thats it, nothing else, don't log in from work anymore (in part because I'm too darn busy)

Site useage: iPhone - Safari - probably open the site 10 times a week, iPad - Safari - probably use the site 3/6 times a day and hang around a lot so not really adding to threads, just lurking then scooting back to the overview to see whats been added to. MacAir - Safari - probably use the site once a day when I'm bored completing PMO reports, then once done I settle back with the iPad.

I'm on the MacAir now but once I'm done I'll be lurking on the iPad in about an hour.

Also all devices are linked, so I'm supposed to be able to open a webpage on one device and then go to another and it'll show the same page, can't honestly say I've ever noticed that.

Thats it, can't honestly say thats complicated setup at all. In fact I'd suggest I'm one of the simplest on here.

Cougar, thanks for the link I shall replace what I have wit that and see how it goes.

Whilst I appreciate it's all turning into a bunfight at the moment and easy pickings for some to sharpen their tongue at the expense of others efforts, I don't think that. I'm grateful of the work and effort that goes into running this site and the constraints set around it by other interested parties.

BOL, rather you lot than me for sure.

I use ie11, Windows Phone and a Surface 2 and the site renders perfectly. Windows Phone in particular renders the ads very discreetly, so much so I sometimes don't bother logging in.

Maybe the real paymasters here are Microsoft to punish those who use iThings and Googly bits (and Firefox but hey they receive a fair amount of moiety from Google).

My advice, stick to MS stuff and you'll be fine. HTH

Good to see Tudor is STILL with us. 4x today.

As has been repeatedly mentioned, there's no-one around to address any concerns this weekend, so of course it's "still" there. What did you think was going to happen, that maybe the ad network will collapse under the weight of your whining?

Thats it, can't honestly say thats complicated setup at all.

Maybe it's some sort of security setting or something specific to Safari? I don't know much about Apple stuff I'm afraid.

Three devices with some sort of page linking going on doesn't sound very simple to me.

I have an Android phone and a Windows PC using chrome. I reckon to get one login request every month or so on each device device. Usually around the same time?

Well not getting too technical (I can't and shan't be bothered) It's all something that Apple like to do, so it's already in your settings somewhere, where? I dunno, nor care. But if, like me, you have your devices setup and sync'd together it's a feature they promote. TBH I've never bothered looking at it to see if it's worked and I doubt I'll be doing that anytime soon.

But thats not the issue.

It's a simple one, I can stay on the iPad for a couple of weeks without it logging out, if I use the iPhone to seek out STW during that period I g'tee I'm logged out, so I log back in. Get home, get on the MacAir and I'm still logged in and maybe haven't been on the site for a day or two on the Mac whatever, but then settle on the sofa with the iPad and guess what... Logged out again. It's so damn random and pretty boring TBH.

I wouldn't mind if.. if I had to log in BUT the Ad's didn't cover the damn page for about a minute before it lets me log in. There should be some free space at the top of the page with "log in here" that isn't covered in an Ad. It's quite simple, don't think it's impossible to control nor put in place either.

Hey ho.

Maybe it's some sort of security setting or something specific to Safari? I don't know much about Apple stuff I'm afraid.

I use a MAcBook, iPad and iPhone which means I get logged out once per month. Spookily on each device around the same time it's almost as if they synced to work with each other.

Right so if it's Apples doing I'll shut about it because clearly it's not your fault and therefore irrelevant in trying to fix something you've no control over.

Thanks for updating with your experiences, perhaps we could get a sticky on this with a notice that says something like..

"you'll get logged out by Safari/Apple if you have all your devices sync'd"

Save a lot of middle aged me me me only types whining on about it eh.. 😆

So, so i'll shut right on up about it now.

Still don't envy you lot looking after the site, you'd think it'd be a 20min job once a week wouldn't you 😆

I browse on iPhone 5s, iPad mini, iPad and macbook - get logged out on all of them at some point during a weeks use but it's not really a major hassle so i log back in, and i don't get full page adverts on the iPhone or iPads covering the entire screen like some users seem to.

i don't use "iCloud" or have my devices sync'd apart from bookmarks etc when plugged into iTunes.

😆

"you'll get logged out by Safari/Apple if you have all your devices sync'd"

I don't.

Can we now see issue as to why it's so hard to pinpoint this issue down?

I do most of my browsing on here on my pad, which chucks me off once every three or four weeks, at a rough guess; it happens infrequently enough that I don't really check. I use my phone far less frequently, it's not possible at work, mobiles are banned for security reasons, but I've just checked STW on the phone, which, via iCloud, was the open page on the pad; opening that, I was logged out but still logged in on the pad.
I would hazard a guess that there's some sort of time limit on sessions, but how it works, well I'm buggered if I know.
I do like the fact that open pages on Safari are viewable on other devices, as well as the actual open pages on that device, but as for logging in/out, and why some people seem to have to do it so often, while others only after longish periods, that's got me at a complete loss; I can't think of any setting anywhere that I've opened, closed, or ticked or whatever that has meant I get longer log-in periods. I just found the page on my first iDevice, a 3G iPhone, then saved it onto my homepage, same with my pad, but as it's always open in Safari anyway, at least on the pad, I rarely use the bookmark.
Go figure, as they say in the movies.
As for changing the site format, three_fish, that's been done to death, right back as long as I've been a member, which is now twelve years, and the majority don't want fixed what isn't broken. If you don't like the format, then go somewhere where the format is to your liking; nobody forces you to stay here.

I use a number of sites which normally keep me logged on and then for no apparent reason will one day require me to log in again. It's not just STW.

As for changing the site format, three_fish, that's been done to death, right back as long as I've been a member, which is now twelve years, and the majority don't want fixed what isn't broken. If you don't like the format, then go somewhere where the format is to your liking; nobody forces you to stay here.

See, it's that kind of prissy, precious attitude that makes a bad smell. Can people not make suggestions for possible change without essentially being told to **** off? Apart from hora, I doubt there's a single user on this forum who isn't aware that they can come and go as they choose. "The vast majority" of which you speak is actually just a handful of people; a tiny percentage of the people who use this site. Don't confuse the amount of noise something makes with the size that it is. However, the point I was making is that the [u]forum[/u] design, format and function is very basic, and that other forums provide a whole lot more and do not charge anything. The point was made in the context of a conversation about value. If you need a comparison to help you understand: it would be like RyanAir Economy costing more than British Airways Business Class. Get it?

If I had to pay for this I wouldn't use it because it would not represent good value. I'm sure I'd not be alone in that decision. Ads don't bother me here for the same reason that they don't bother me anywhere else on the internet. My freedom to choose means that my browser, like a kind old butler, shields me from the hideousness of it all. On iOS, I habitually double-tap the page when it loads to crop out the side-bar, suffering only the enormous header advert and the even more enormous ATR ad that sits above the reply box. Interestingly, that one only appears when one is signed in. One actually gets the most advertising exposure as a signed-in non-P user. So the site looks cleanest to passers-by, who then get hit with ads when they sign up. I suspect that it's around that point that some have a bit of a moan, since they enjoy the rest of the craic, then get told by the well-trained 'majority' to pay their £15 or get ****ed off. Classy

Can we now see issue as to why it's so hard to pinpoint this issue down?

Absolutely, and that is why touting "P" as the solution to all the world's ills is premature.

Agreed DrJ.

However, that does not make it any easier to find the solution.

Drac
Thanks for the direct forum link you posted earlier

Means I can avoid the dreaded green advert
( I'm a print & digital man as I still like to read a mag and if that helps keep the forum afloat then
I'm happy to do it as it's been a good place to buy & sell and get some good info )

You're welcome but I think that was Cougar.

Yup you also get some added features by subscribing which make it more of a Private Jet service than BA.

Apart from hora, I doubt there's a single user on this forum who isn't aware that they can come and go as they choose.

Can you explain please.

I like the STW layout/design. I don't like bikeradar's and loads of other forum layout/design. I like pistonheads forum but I dont like their layout etc. I don't tend to give advice when its not asked for or needed.

Drac - Moderator
"you'll get logged out by Safari/Apple if you have all your devices sync'd"
I don't.

Can we now see issue as to why it's so hard to pinpoint this issue down?

Totally, totally understand. And totally understand why a whining MAM can seem to upset your sensibilities whilst pointing the finger at you (STW) for all the issues.
Clearly I was wrong, I have accepted that and understand the frustrations on your side only too well. Seems I'm not the only one suffering the log in/out situation but I seem to get it more frequently. For instance I was using STW on this Mac yesterday answering to this thread, buggered off to the iPad for a few hours on STW in the evening and came back to this Mac and guess what ? Yup had to log back in again.

Now theres something going on, not of STW's doing, so I'm accepting that and moving on. As a question in my head though I shall search the internet to find if others have similar situations on other sites where multi device login's are used, I shall report back if I find anything.

I'm not commenting on the Forum structure, sod that. It's STW's forum and I use what they provide. I already like the layout and don't feel any benefit in changing it. Theres my 2p worth on that nugget.

I still like to read a mag and if that helps keep the forum afloat then
I'm happy to do it