[Closed] What're the chances of this going ahead (contraversial content)

"The hadith and other writings suggest death is the proper punishment for someone who insults Muhammad."

You posted a list of moderate islamic quotations then signed it off with this, when everything that went before contradicts it. Now, if I'm taking that out of context then I apologise but I've read your post again, and that's exactly what it says.

I have much admiration for any member of the military;
They are volutarily going into difficult situations. i.e. they choose to sign up to join, so we don't have to.

if they didn't then National Service may come back .. and a lot of us who choose not go in to the military, and choose not to 'believe' in these wars would suddenly have no choice but to do so or live elsewhere .. whatever our religious/political background.

I totally disagree with National Service.
A. We are not a militarised society. By definition we are a western democracy.
B. Exactly. They chose to join up but its time to come home and stop the senseless waste.

'Fighting the war on terror' is a disgusting waste of life and resources.

You heard that? WASTE.

So - Dales_rider - you're not a scholar then? I was hoping for some education in something other than cut, copy and paste (which didn't back up your initial post on this thread BTW). Shame - I thought you might have something to back up your assertion of the violent religion.

the violent religion

Just like the Paedophile Catholic Priests it doesnt mean ALL Catholics are Paedophiles now does it?

So. Why are you blanket-covering Islam as a violent religion? Did you open any books at school? Xenaphobia at best and a poor troll.

sorry double post

and are losing your right to live a normal life in your own country.

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lay a reef at Auschwitz in memory of the SS troops that died there.

Except that if you really want to use your analogy in this case we (Britain) are the equivalent of the SS - ie the ones who carried out an illegal war of aggression causing the deaths of many people.

This thread...Jesus.

Some folk on here will bum the UK military forces no matter what without actually questioning (or standing up) and asking 'are these soldiers now sacrificing their lives for a lost cause'?

We are not a militarised society. We do not have national service therefore (in theory) you should be able to form your own thoughts and opinions without accepting what a Politician decides to do with our armed forces.

In addition, they are not fighting an army. They are fighting Guerillas not a nation(they dont have tanks, sophisticated weoponary/missiles or planes do they?) so please dont call it a war.

Oops, wrong prophet.

Just love the Islam-haters on here.
I dont just hate that one religion, we all know they are all bunkum.
There is only one true religion [b]PASTAFARIANISM[/b]

There's a religion worshiping wheat based products originating from Italy?

Excellent.

 

Dalesrider wrote,

"Then I think I said
Bollox"

Oh, well all is clear now 😕 What's bollox?

Hora;I have just read the comments posted on the website linked above,pretty scary.Open taunts about 7/7/=not doing their religion any favours IMO. Does not seem to feature too many of the peaceful majority we have heard about from a number of the posters above. Have a look.

One other point, does anybody really think this shower are going to march as a protest or as a provocation? Lets get all the British troops out of the Middle East and let them get back to killing each other, rather than our young men, something they have always been been very good at. Afghanistan and Iraq have NEVER had any form of Democracy, why is it our problem to try and introduce it?

Irony is alive and well in the idea of a Muslim group using their Democratic right to protest to introduce a set of laws that will remove everybody's (theirs included) right to protest

Again under democracy even idiots have the right to protest.

Afghanistan and Iraq have NEVER had any form of Democracy, why is it our problem to try and introduce it?

Yes can’t see why either of these has anything to do with us either: roll:

Irony is alive and well in the idea of a Muslim group using their Democratic right to protest to introduce a set of laws that will remove everybody's (theirs included) right to protest

That is not what they are protesting for though is it?

hora - Member

the violent religion

Just like the Paedophile Catholic Priests it doesnt mean ALL Catholics are Paedophiles now does it?

So. Why are you blanket-covering Islam as a violent religion? Did you open any books at school? Xenaphobia at best and a poor troll.

You really do need to read the posts I'm referring to before you sound off at me you chump.

Afghanistan and Iraq have NEVER had any form of Democracy, why is it our problem to try and introduce it?

Well if that is the case, then it is only because it was not in Britain's interests that either Afghanistan, or Iraq, be democracies.

Don't forget, Britain has not been a democracy for that long. During most of the time since Britain has been a democracy, Britain has either occupied, controlled, or heavily interfered in the affairs of both Afghanistan and Iraq.

Here's an example :

"[i]In World War I the British invaded Iraq in their war against the Ottoman Empire; Britain declared then that it intended to return to Iraq some control of its own affairs. Nationalist elements, impatient over delay in gaining independence, revolted in 1920 [u]but were suppressed by the British[/u]. Late that year the Treaty of Sèvres established Iraq as a mandate of the League of Nations under British administration, and in 1921 the country was made a kingdom headed by Faisal I. With strong reluctance [u]an elected Iraqi assembly[/u] agreed in 1924 to a treaty with Great Britain providing for the maintenance of British military bases and for a British right of veto over legislation. By 1926 an Iraqi parliament and administration were governing the country. The treaty of 1930 provided for a 25-year alliance with Britain. The British mandate was terminated in 1932, and Iraq was admitted to the League of Nations.[/i]"

http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/world/A0858896.html

If you were a radical organisation wanting a few more hits on your website and some more recruits, would you:-

a) sign up for google adwords
b) put up a post suggesting a march to a town very much at the heart of the nation..and hope it goes viral

Well done all the internet heros for making b) a reality. There will be no march, it was never planned, but now there will be many many more recruits.

We deserve everything we get.

Except that if you really want to use your analogy in this case we (Britain) are the equivalent of the SS - ie the ones who carried out an illegal war of aggression causing the deaths of many people.

You are a total idiot if you for a moment think comparing UK soldiers to SS stands............I sincerely hope it's your ignorance rather than stupidity that makes you write such comparisons.

Why, have you got a [i]monopoly[/i] over making stupid comparisons ? ............ how bizarre 😕

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And yes, comparing a march in WB by a bunch of divs in memory of all the civilians who have died in Afghanistan, with, quote : [i]" organising one in the memory of the killed Wehrmacht, Gestapo or Waffen SS soldiers in Auschwitz"[/i], was indeed a very stupid comparison.

Junkyard;I am a history teacher,I am well aware of the histrical context of the great game.I talked about Iraq, not Iran which if you want to go back 4000 years was part of the Persian Empire.It has for lets say, the "modern age" of empire building by the Great Powers,never had a democratically elected Government.Bearing in mind the fact that the first one in the UK was in 1928, the concept of democracy, while enshrined in the city state ideals of ancient Greece is a new one.Afghanistan was impossible to subdue because of the fact that any invading country is fighting a whole collection of different tribes in difficult terrain.Despite the brutal methods used then as now to achieve this.

Created and enhanced tribal divides

[b]BACK ON TOPIC[/b]The wesite linked above is aBout the introduction of Islamic law in the uk. Marching to complain about Muslim dead is designed to inflame opinion about Muslims, making the job of the silent moderates impossible.

They have a right to protest. I would like to see a nice "welcoming parade" of the parachute regiment to wave them on in WB. Shame for them to march on empty streets and all that.

The bloke organising it was interviewed onto the Today Programme this morning. Probably available on BBC's listen again, if anyone is interested.

Did someone say we live in a Demorcacy?

moderate muslim = oxymoron. Its the stupidest idea ever but there no way any one will stop it as we are too scared to be un pc. Oh yes I think we should have never gone to any muslim state in the first place.

Intresting thread.Seems to bring the worst out in some of us.If history has taught us one thing it has to be that religion and hate go hand in hand.If people of any belief are not happy here LEAVE there are no locks on the doors.As for religion!!!!!!!!!

I walked up to my local churches yesterday and berated and insulted them about their religious beliefs. Insulted their god his holy trinity and all the apostles
I waved posters telling them their god was a fraud, pictures of Jesus in compromising positions with Mary Magdalene [made up of course and not reproducible here].
Ranting they would all burn in hell.
Got some Tuts and "Come and join us and see what the faith is all about"

I'm off down the Mosque on Friday........

Check this out!
http://www.islam4uk.com/current-affairs/latest-news/423-islamic-big-ben-screensaver

How would it be accepted if Christianity4Saudi.com hosted a downloadable screensaver depicting a christian cross on Kaaba?

Just hypothetical of course, I'm an atheist by the way...

Anyone on here who seriously thinks that Islam4uk have genuinely good reasons for this march, and should be allowed to carry it out are:

a) Seriously deluded, and should just have a quick look at what they stand for.

b) Trolling

Islam4UK are a front for terrorists, this planned march is nothing more than a deliberate attempt to inflame and divide. The Muslim Council of Britain are appalled by this, and have nothing but contempt for the group in general (As do the vast majority of Muslims).

Minute number of extremists seek to provoke kneejerk reactions to promote their aims Shocker!!

Bit like the donks at the BNP basically. Always the same with a democracy... the big drawback being that by its nature it has to apply to all, even nutters like these otherwise it isn't one! Far and away the best route is to totally ignore them in "Leave it Garf..they ain't worf it" stylee

"Islam4UK."

Bum.

Holes.

Deluded to let someone I oppose protest – I know how very undemocratic of me.
Dales rider – how about going and calling people at an abortion clinic murderers? Or walk into a pub and call people a bunch of ****less alcoholics ?Abuse people at the Job centre for being lazy , abuse trail centre riders for their bikes and choices etc... It is hardly difficult to provoke a reaction from people when you are being offensive so what exactly is your point?

moderate muslim = oxymoron. Its the stupidest idea ever

I agree what you have said is indeed very stupid 🙄

Dales rider – how about going and calling people at an abortion clinic murderers? Or walk into a pub and call people a bunch of ****less alcoholics ?Abuse people at the Job centre for being lazy , abuse trail centre riders for their bikes and choices etc... It is hardly difficult to provoke a reaction from people when you are being offensive so what exactly is your point?

Haven't read all of this thread, but just want to say that many thousands of innocent civilians have died and their lives are just the same as the hundreds of British soldiers.

All this rubbish about democracy, just because we live in a so called democratic country doesnt mean we should allow a bunch of muslims to protest in a place that they know will cause outrage and upset, just because they say they have a right to protest, what a load of tosh. It will not do any good, to let them go ahead with this march. And because there have been comments about this group does not mean we are labeling or catorgorizing all muslims as trouble makers and extremists it si also not being rasist. A muslim country would never allow such a march based on Christian or Jewish beliefs.

"A bunch of Muslims" - this is what I'm talking about - we constantly refer to them as if they are different to other humans.

Going on the content in some of the posts me thinks this thread has run its course 😥

Some of the comments are just ludicrous. Going by similar logic the best response to the IRA would have been to nuke the Vatican.

[Going by similar logic the best response to the IRA would have been to nuke the Vatican]

You might be onto something there...

[i]Haven't read all of this thread, but just want to say that many thousands of innocent civilians have died and their lives are just the same as the hundreds of British soldiers. [/i]

Indeed, and the majority as I understand have been caused by muslims on muslims.
But don't take this to mean that I am condoning this country's action.

Many may have been not directly at the hands of our soldiers, but it is impossible to separate the effects of various militia being in our pay and control, elements being supported and funded by us and other covert operations which we will never even hear of.

[muslims on muslims]
Are you allowed to say that?

Ernie; prior to the European/British occupation of Iraq, it had been a number of small city states or Caliphates, Iraq as we know it came into existence at the end of the Ottoman empire, my point being to Junkyard that it was not a democratic country.The "National Assembly" was a collection of unelected warlords favourites and landowners factors sent to do their Master's bidding.

Glenp; The IRA were fighting in what they see as their own country,Iran are getting involved in a war in a country which hates them and was at war with them fairly recently,all to kill "westerners." They are doing this with the long-term aim of ensuring Iraq is under their influence once the West leaves. You will need a better comparison.

Peace and love to all...

Do you think we'll get to 10 pages?

I wasn't searching for a perfect comparison that stands scrutiny on every level, merely saying that some people's rantings are as illogical and dumb and nuking the vatican.

Iran's agenda is not to "kill westerners". They want us off their doorstep, understandably. So would you if you were Iranian.

[They want us off their doorstep, understandably.]

HMMM!
Platform... Attack...

Ernie; prior to the European/British occupation of Iraq, it had been a number of small city states or Caliphates, Iraq as we know it came into existence at the end of the Ottoman empire, my point being to Junkyard that it was not a democratic country.The "National Assembly" was a collection of unelected warlords favourites and landowners factors sent to do their Master's bidding.

Yes, despite not being a history teacher, I am fully aware that Iraq is a very recently created country. In fact, the tale-tell signs are the lots of nice straight lines which form much of it borders :

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Interestingly enough, those nice straight lines/borders were decided by a British colonial administrator, who's name escapes me, shortly before he died of malaria (or some other tropical disease) So yes, Iraq and all it's borders, were created by the British - which clearly flies in the face of your suggestion that Iraq's problems are historical and nothing at all to do with Britain.

And your comment that Iraq has never, quote : "[i]NEVER had any form of Democracy[/i]" also flies in the face of the facts. Iraq has most certainly had some form of democracy in the past - as has already been pointed out, Iraq had an elected assembly as early as the 1920s, and had elections in which opposition parties could freely contest, as recently as June 1954.

EDIT : I repeat my claim that if Iraq has experienced a lack of democracy in the past, then this largely due to the fact that it did not serve Britain's best interests - don't forget that Britain supported Saddam to the hilt. So don't go around saying that it has nothing to do with us, and the lack of democracy is all their fault.

the majority as I understand have been caused by muslims on muslims.

Most Muslim deaths in Afghanistan have been caused by Muslims ?

Either, you believe that US and British forces have being do nothing for the last 9 years or,
you believe had most US and British soldiers are Muslim............which one is it ?