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If the media hadn't decided that British casualties were the only story in Afghanistan, with no context about what is happening there, and concentrating on Wooton Basset, then these troublemakers (which is what they are) wouldn't have such an easy way to get the publicity they seek.
Let the march happen.
Line the streets with people of all colours, all creeds and all types. With their backs turned as the "march" goes past. Silent. Dignified.
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[i]Dales_rider - you are today's small-minded, ill educated bigot and I claim my £10.[/i]
Why you won the lottery, about all you'll win certainly not a degree in Islamic History.
As for knowing what I am from a truthful post well you were probably bullied at school and use the internet as a way of getting back at all the hundreds of people who picked on you.
aren't muslims great? a sensible bunch. I know. Lets drum up support for our religion by offending just about every person in the country. Then moan that we're being persecuted. Muppets
Why do you think these extremist are planning a march in Wooton Basset, to obviously cause a great deal of upset and gain publicity for there mad religion and belief system, they value there religion above their own lives of themselves and families. They do not want to follow or respect our way of life and take advange of our democracy. Demoractic right to demonstrate, what a load of bollocks they use that as an excuse. Ban the march on the grounds of inciting race hate and total direspect for our dead soldiers.
How would you feel if you lived in Wooten Basset and stood out in honour of the fallen only to see a bunch of crazy religious idiots doing ther utmost to provoke trouble and spit in your face. Why do they have to protest anyway, as I have said if they don't like our way of life then piss of and live somewhere else.
I think the best way is to ignore their protest (thats if its allowed to go ahead anyway as I note that in the news coverage that the group are acting on behalf of an extremist organisation).
Ban the march on the grounds of inciting race hate and total direspect for our dead soldiers.
respecting the dead killed by our troops is not disrespecting our dead is it?
If we can mourn "our" dead why can they not mourn "their" dead?
If you believe our system is the morally superior one then show it and respect their rights.
Nice comments by Binners - but remember geralising form this group of Muslims actions makes less sense than generalisation from Nick Griffin about what white people think about race.
If we can mourn "our" dead why can they not mourn "their" dead?
Their dead? I assumed they were British? Problem solved. Deport them.
respecting the dead killed by our troops is not disrespecting our dead is it?
If we can mourn "our" dead why can they not mourn "their" dead?
If you believe our system is the morally superior one then show it and respect their rights.
Nice comments by Binners - but remember geralising form this group of Muslims actions makes less sense than generalisation from Nick Griffin about what white people think about race.
Well f#*k me ...... a thought out comment, with a large dollop of common-sense
........how the £*ck did [b][i]that[/i][/b] manage to get on this thread 😯
5t - Ah well done Mr Griffin nice answer
Junkyard. A fair comment. But i think the silence of the muslim mainstream 'majority'says quite a bit.
When Nick Giffin and his thugs are making public appearances, rallys etc they tend to get a pretty hard time off the rest of the right-thinking population. Just look at the grilling he got on question time. MAinly from white members of the audience not wishing to be associated with his poisonous bile
When Muslim extremists come out with nonsense like this, then the mainstream muslim population seem remarkably reluctant to condemn them. Why? When they must know how this makes them look?
5t - Ah well done Mr Griffin nice answer
Funny. You brand them foreigners and somehow I'm a racist? Godwin's law knows no bounds.
Let the march happen.
Line the streets with people of all colours, all creeds and all types. With their backs turned as the "march" goes past. Silent. Dignified.
Much as I agree with Binners et al I would think that the good Capt's suggestion would be the most effective by a country mile.
I am a foreigner and say this: kick that intolerant scum out of the country FFS!
When Muslim extremists come out with nonsense like this, then the mainstream muslim population seem remarkably reluctant to condemn them.
One would assume that the moderate muslims know it's best to keep their heads down and mouths shut because they know they're between and rock and a hard place.
You brand them foreigners and somehow I'm a racist?
No, Junkyard did not brand them foreigners - you did that.
By saying [i]"why can they not mourn "their" dead?"[/i] he is not suggesting that those who want to have a march are Afghans, he appears to be suggesting that they are Muslims - which of course doesn't make them foreigners.
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When Nick Giffin and his thugs are making public appearances, rallys etc they tend to get a pretty hard time off the rest of the right-thinking population.
Nick Griffin has said, quote :[i]"Brown, Cameron, Clegg: BLOODY MEN AND EVIL LEADERS These liars and con artists started and backed the illegal wars in Iraq and Afghanistan"[/i]
I don't ever recall the BNP being singled out for their opposition to what British troops are doing in Afghanistan 😕
A pal of mine is an ex Royal Marine, Falklands era. Believe me when he says there would be trouble. The people of Wooton Basset are simply showing respect for the British soldiers who have died fighting in the middle east.
Deluded, you beat me to it.
Part of me wonders what would happen if we were to do the equivalent in a Muslim country?
So what is actually the problem with this? Can any of the outraged Nick Griffins in this thread explain what is wrong with the protest?
Do any of you think there is a double standard in the way that British casualties are reported vs (many orders of magnitude greater) Iraqi ones?
All the people asking if you could have such protest in Muslim countries - surely we should be proud of the fact that we have freedom of speech/protest in this country. Rather ironic to slag off foreign countries for being intolerant at the same time as promoting intolerance in our own country.
well.... to point out the fairly bleeding obvious. But I think that Iran has just demonstrated how Islamic states deal with 'protest'
It generally involves firing live rounds into crowds. But then us westerners are the ones who butcher muslims. Aren't we?
The hypocrisy of these *ers is breathtaking. These *s are actually pressing for a state of affairs where this is how their 'difference of opinions' would be treated.
Do you get the feeling they haven't thought this through? Or perhaps, as with all extremists, they're just.... whats the word... thick!
Yes Iran treated a legitimate demonstration badly now is our opportunity to show them that we/our way of life is/ are better than than theirs by allowing those whose views we strongly oppose the right to protest even though it offends us. [b]If you support free speech it has to be for those that you oppose most not those you agree with. [/b]
Binners getting a bit ranty the alcohol kicking in ? time to smoke and chill 😉
We can hardly claim we are better than them and then prevent a legitimate act of democracy [protest]from occuring now could we ...that really would be being a bit thick.
Part of me wonders what would happen if we were to do the equivalent in a Muslim country?
Good point, it would be far safer to bomb them back to the stone age before we inflict our points of view upon them.
Hay-soos!
Bless them with holy pork.
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The hypocrisy of these *ers is breathtaking. These *s are actually pressing for a state of affairs where this is how their 'difference of opinions' would be treated.
Actually Islam4UK appear to believe that differences should be "debated". They are apparently concerned that the [i]The English Defence League[/i] are, quote : [i]"being poorly represented in the public arena by various media outlets; incorrect comparisons have been drawn between its members and those from among the British National Party, who are known for their particularly racist views...."[/i]
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Invitation to the English Defence League[/url]
...as with all extremists, they're just.... whats the word... thick!
So Muslim extremists are all just "thick" are they ? How come then, that the wealthiest nation on earth, with the "cleverest" minds and the most advanced weapons ever developed, are losing a war against thick, almost unarmed people, in one of poorest countries on earth ? And how come all those clever people were so stupid as to allow themselves to get sucked into an unwinnable war ?
Still, let's hope your right - because presumably, it will mean that they will be too thick to develop nuclear weapons.
Muslims? We're not fighting Muslims are we? I thought it was certain factions of the Aghanistan people. What religion they support is irrelevant (since Muslims exist on both sides of that fence), it's people (and these are not my own views), that are making Afghanistan a poorer place to live, who we are fighting.
Every effort should be made to stop people turning this into a holy war, it's not a holy war. It's a war against (and I've had to google to find out why our troops are in Afghanistan), terrorism apparently. And bad people support lots of different religions, some even don't support any religion (although obviously these are fewer and farer between.)
How come then, that the wealthiest nation on earth, with the "cleverest" minds and the most advanced weapons ever developed, are losing a war against thick, almost unarmed people, in one of poorest countries on earth?
I do not think they are losing the war but merely fighting too many fronts/unseen "nations"/"holy" people and are trying to fight a moral war.
And how come those clever people were so stupid as to allow themselves to get sucked into an unwinnable war ?
If they are stupid they would have nuked the place to kingdom come.
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perhaps that's the solution "I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."
Dales_rider - MemberBollocks its a peaceful religion, even the Spanish inquisition were tame in comparision to the origions of Islam, and [b]for **** sake dont voice your opinion about it as they'll send a nutter to kill you[/b].
My bold. If that isn't a nice broad sweeping statement then I don't know what is. If you are a scholar of Islamic history, I'd hope you would share your knowledge rather than post something like that.
Were you bullied by a child who had 'different skin' to you at school?
Just love the Islam-haters on here.
'Yeah but, yeah but I bet Christians or other demonstraters wouldnt be treated the same if it was in a Muslim country'.
Just love the Islam-haters on here.
I dont just hate that one religion, we all know they are all bunkum.
There is only one true religion PASTAFARIANISM[b]AARRRGH[/b]
"when ye hear the signs of Allah held in defiance and ridicule, ye are not to sit with them unless they turn to a different theme: if ye did, ye would be like them. For Allah will collect the hypocrites and those who defy faith - all in Hell." [Quran 4:140]
"Hold to forgiveness; command what is right; but turn away from the ignorant." [Quran 7:199]
"But they uttered blasphemy ... if they repent, it will be best for them, but if they turn back, Allah will punish them." [Quran 9:47]
"Allah is with those who restrain themselves . . . ." [Quran 16: 128]
"Therefore be patient with what they say, and celebrate (constantly) the praises of thy Lord, before the rising of the sun, and before its setting; yea, celebrate them for part of the hours of the night, and at the sides of the day: that thou mayest have (spiritual) joy." [Quran 20:130]
"And the servants of Allah ... are those who walked on the earth in humility, and when the ignorant address them, they say 'Peace'!" [Quran 25:63]
"And when they hear vain talk, they turn away therefrom and say: 'To us our deeds, and to you yours; peace be to you: we seek not the ignorant.'" [Quran 28: 55]
"Have patience with what they say, and leave them with noble (dignity)." [Quran 73:10]
"Tell those who believe, to forgive those who do not look forward to the Days of Allah. It is for Him to recompense (for good or ill) each People according to what they have earned." [Quran 45:14]
"Bear, then, with patience, all that they say, and celebrate the praises of thy Lord, before the rising of the sun and before (its) setting." [Quran 50:39]
The Quran speaks of punishment in relation only to those who make war and mischief in opposition to Allah and Muhammad:
The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter
—Quran 5:33
Blasphemy against Prophet Muhammad
The hadith and other writings suggest death is the proper punishment for someone who insults Muhammad.
Bollox as I said earlier
TooTall - MemberIf you are a scholar of Islamic history I'd hope you would share your knowledge rather than post something like that.
Actually, Dales_rider likes to share with us his impressive skills for copying and pasting directly from Wikipedia.
Well done fella - every dot and every comma 8)
And I like this btw : "[i]I dont just hate that one religion[/i] " .....it's nice to know that the hate you feel is all embracing.
I hate people when they mis quote, seems a favourite occupation on STW, just so as it fits what they want to say
PASTAFARIANISM is the only true religion, the ones who deny the true faith shall be destined to suffer the wrath of Captain Mosey
Obey the rules
The Eight "I'd Really Rather You Didn'ts" or forever burn in hot meatballs
Sufism must be one of the most beautiful forms of religion. It also happens to be a branch of Islam.
I'd take that over Catholics or Christians any day...but then Islams evil isnt it folks. You dont hear about the droves of Catholic Paedophiles priests now do you?
Edit- Interesting article in the Sunday Times mag today on the parallels to the Soviet invasion again.
having been to WooTang Bassett (and currently residing within shooting distance) I can wholeheartedly support Binners suggestion.
FFS have the march but not there. WB has become symbolic if people can't see that 'they' just want to piss on the graves then we have some very dim people here.
May I suggest Downing Street or Trafalgar Square.
Dalesrider, do you realise that none of the quotes you posted actually support the final line of your post in the slightest? In fact, most of the quotes show a religion that's relatively liberal in its way of dealing with dissent and opposition. "Allah is with those that restrain themselves" "Sit not with them" "turn away from the ignorant" "when the ignorant address them, they say "peace" "Bear then, with patience, all that they say"- these are all quotes from your post yet show completely the opposite to what you claim.
The idea of this march isn't, I think, a bad one. But it's still stupid. It'll be terrible publicity and polarise public opinion. It'll be seen as disrespectful even if it isn't- and in the end, regardless of what the organisers say it most likely will contain unsavoury elements, extremists will use it as a platform. And there most likely will be trouble too. The location's just a mistake, they could have had the same march in any major town in the UK without it being so problematic. Perhaps the organisers believe there's no such thing as bad publicity... A lot of us marched against the war in the first place and we've been proved right, you don't have to be an extremist or even religious to be against this war.
Northwind another STW non reader and taking what they want from the post
Read it again and comprehend.
Also what have I claimed ?
The answer is simply no they can not march there wether they are entitled to or not, much in the same way it would be wrong to carry out this march at the site of the twin towers or to lay a reef at Auschwitz in memory of the SS troops that died there. It is simply wrong.
Dalesrider- this:
"The hadith and other writings suggest death is the proper punishment for someone who insults Muhammad."
You posted a list of moderate islamic quotations then signed it off with this, when everything that went before contradicts it. Now, if I'm taking that out of context then I apologise but I've read your post again, and that's exactly what it says.
Oldgit, spot on.
To give another viewpoint on the subject, if anybody tried organising one in the memory of the killed Wehrmacht, Gestapo or Waffen SS soldiers in Auschwitz or any other place in Poland they'd be charged with inciting hatred and promoting fascism. If the authorities didn't stop the organisers, bricks, baseball bats and other implements would.
I'm not saying it's right to beat the daylight out of the Muslims wanting to protest but the only place for them to do it is their beloved Muslim country, be it Iran, Iraq or Saudi Arabia.
You Brits tolerate too much nonsense and are losing your right to live a normal life in your own country.
Before some PC-fanatic says I'm a hateful individual, I wish CFH's suggestion was workable.
I've always felt that the best way to deal with religious extremists is to mock them publically so that they realise that their extreme views hold no interest for the majority of people in the UK. To that end I say that they should be welcomed into Wootton Bassett by John Barrowman in drag hurling bacon at them whilst bearded women in swimsuits offer a beard plaiting and trimming service to all those taking part in the march.
You may think I'm making light of a serious situation but the only other option is for the police to patrol the event so heavily that there will undoubtedly be some kind of problem due to high levels of tension and the the end result (an almightly punchup) will only be used by the extrememists to demonstrate to the rest of the world why they think the UK is a corrupt state. Thats why I say we should let them march but take the p**s out of them for every step they take.
I think a march to the site of the 9-11 bombing to lay a wreath to the terrorists would be more of an apt comparison to Auschwitz wreath laying- not a good comparison at all.
Why should they protest in a foreign country about our actions - seems a truly ludicrous proposition.
are losing your right to live a normal life in your own country.
I think the point they are making is that some people really are loosing their right to life at our hands -this is true we are killing innocent people [collatoral damage]in foreign lands - it is beyond doubt.
You cannot try and pretend that there is a distinction between yourself and other authoritarian [islamic?] regimes if you will not allow distastefull lawful protest. It is what makes a democracy a democracy
I don't agree with all reasons for being out there .. however I have considered going to WB (my parents live near there) to pay my respects.
I have much admiration for any member of the military;
They are volutarily going into difficult situations. i.e. they choose to sign up to join, so we don't have to.
if they didn't then National Service may come back .. and a lot of us who choose not go in to the military, and choose not to 'believe' in these wars would suddenly have no choice but to do so or live elsewhere .. whatever our religious/political background.