[Closed] What tasty reliable car? Sub £20k

Toyota GT86?

It's the only smallish fun car I can think of that comes with an auto box. Also probably one of the most beloved/well received car of recent times if you ignore the people crying out for moar powwaa.

I came here to post the same thing as Sharkattack

Honest John Review - It even mentions the space in the back ref a small dog!

^^^ I was going to say Subaru BRZ/ Toyota GT86.

had a poke round one when my car was in for some work at the local Subaru dealership. If I could afford a mid life crisis car it might be one of them and been really impressed with Subaru customer service.

BMW m140
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202006099951637?radius=1500&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=Used&postcode=bd229ql&model=1%20SERIES&aggregatedTrim=M140i&advertising-location=at_cars&price-to=20000&make=BMW&sort=price-desc&page=2

Keep it a few years and the current high mileage will even out.

Get the best 911 you can find.

Nothing else comes close.

Get roof bars for the bike, plenty of back seat room for a small dog.

The car I came on here to suggest has already been mentioned, the M140. I had one (well the M135) for 4 years. There is not a better balance of performance and practicality in my view. I had the auto and the ZF8 ‘box is sublime and mated to the 6 pot motor it’s a match made in heaven. If you do go for one - check for creaky steering and rattly back box on cold start. Common issues, and expensive (the steering) to fix but most should have been fixed under warranty if the 1st owner was on the ball.

If you don’t need the practicality of the 5 door hatch, go for the 440i. They’re better nailed together and quieter cabin on long runs.

2015/6 Mk7 Golf R’s are in that price bracket, Mid 30’s MPG, not significantly more expensive to service than a standard Golf. I had My 2015 R for three years (from 2 to 5 years/45000 miles old) and it had one rear damper replaced under warranty and that was it.
Or if you don’t feel the need for 300bhp And 4wd, then a Mk7 Golf GTi. My brother has had a 2017 Mk 7.5 from new and it has not had any work on it and regularly does 40mpg but if anything is sweeter to drive than the R unless you are really pushing it which to be honest isn’t sensible on public roads.
Edit: not a sports car but fun if you want and practical for the 90% of the time you just want to get from A to B

Bmw m140 or 340/440

I had the earlier m135,it was brilliant, the zf 8 speed auto is fantastic.

I get how good Golf's are. But surely you buy a Golf if you need a sensible daily driver that you can also extract a bit of fun from when the situation allows it.

If I wanted something predominantly 'fun' for occasional use and weekend missions I wouldn't even put one on my long list.

Granted the necessity of an auto box slashes your options, but still. Golf's are crushingly dull.

. Golf’s are crushingly dull.

I prefer to see it as a stealth option rather than dull. Most people don’t realise what it is.
Takes all sorts- BMW 1 series are In my opinion poorly packaged and ugly, but then I liked Fiat Multipla’s so what do I know.
What about a MGB GT? Your budget would get a really good sorted example and autos do exist. At that 5000 mile limit it could be a cheap option on classic insurance. I would have suggested an Alfa 105 Series coupe but these days 20K might not get a good one and manual only.

I would say Audi TT hardtop could be a good bet, lots of different engine options, practical, reliable, dsg gear box which is very good. Only bad thing is a lot of people won’t consider its proper sports car because it’s based on golf/a3/Leon under piñon and you can get a diesel one.

BMW M3

Very surprised at the BMW one series suggestions. My mate had one of those M series in line six jobs and yes it was fast, but it's a small car with a hefty transmission tunnel restricting space. Summary - small car with space inefficiencies due to RWD.

Also, BMWs and Golfs car are the boring choice, they make you look like a photocopier salesman.

My sis had a BRZ/GT86 and I was massively underwhelmed by it. Yes it drove ok but inside it is spartan to the point of being crap and it simply doesn't have enough power. She swapped from a R3 RX8 which really was ace but they're never going to win awards for reliability or running costs. Moto journos love the GT86 though, so what do I know?

How about an impreza or wrx or whatever they are called these days?

had one a long long time ago and it was great, never missed a beat for the 2 years I had it so things might be different these days. It was a bit thirsty and I was on first name terms with the local tyre fitter but again things might have changed. Worth it for the sound of the flat 4 alone

I test drove a few of these over the years

m140i has decent power but looks a bit meh and handling was not particularly sharp imo.

GT86 lacks power but handles really well - I would buy this car. The lack of power might irritate on a motorway but for normal roads you can potentially work the car more and stay within the speed limits. The back seats are for luggage only I would say, dont even think kids would fit. Infotainment was poor when I looked. Not really a great car for a dog. On the plus side they do an automatic if you want that but I did not think it worked so well and the manual seemed much better.

I bought the old model Focus ST in preference to the GT86 as value for money was a bit better and it was a bit more practical too - bootspace and back seats. Bit harsh on poor roads but overall handled well.

I've recently changed to the new ST which is a definite improvement over the Mk3.5. Chassis /comfort on poor roads is very good. Its got the old RS engine, plenty of torque. Good space for a dog and they are just launching the auto. Typically over budget - but I paid nowhere near list for mine.

Did not even consider Golfs, Audis etc - just did not appeal.
People I know with Carrera's have got rid as they found that level of performance did not work in UK conditions and upkeep was expensive but perhaps look at Boxters/ Cayman instead. I've never bothered

It’s all very personal and different cars suit different people. It’s just deciding exactly what you want and will enjoy the most.

Fast VAG cars aren’t just a dull everyday car as alluded to above. I take both Caterhams and my Leon Cupra to trackdays; the Cupra is epic fun (400 bhp and track pads / fluids the only change to standard) and it could never be described as dull. It’s main flaw is it’s too competent for the roads, far too fast. Stuff like Caterhams are quick but still feel a bit edgy on the roads, so you don’t have to go as quickly to enjoy them, the same can be said for lots of cars. We have a John Cooper Works convertible, the handling is pretty shocking 🙂 but it suits us for its purpose.

I have a real soft spot for BMWs and have had several 130s and M3s. The former make great road cars with a decent diff added; flawed but an enjoyable ownership experience and not too competent / fast for the roads. Just love the noise from the engines...

To end my rambling, don’t worry about a car that has flaws, that often makes it more enjoyable. It doesn’t need to be the fastest or the best handling, unless of course you intend to take it Hill climbing and on trackdays 🙂

An Alfa 105 convertible or spider is doable for less than 20k. Late 2 litres are available in auto, and they're a lot of fun! The spider continued in production well into the 80s and had all the bells and whistles. There are a few spiders around for less than £10k, leaving a few quid for alfaholics upgrades.
Reliability? I've put 30k miles on mine in 3 years and the only failure has been the 20 year old Japanese battery...

ooh, ooh...
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Alfa-Romeo-GT-Junior-Historic-Rally-Car/324202313524?hash=item4b7bf6b734:g:5QkAAOSw39Be6zGg

370Z

My Golf R on snow tyres was the most fun I’ve had in winter ever !
Kept it for 3 years and 27,000 miles then sold it , had a 911 for a while and now in a manual S3 which is alright. Any of them can’t go wrong

Leon Cupra dsg if you want an auto but you have the paddles and manual shifting if you feel like it

Yeah, the Leon.

I have the 2 litre petrol FR which is pretty handy when I want it to be. The Cupra must be seriously quick.

Golf’s are crushingly dull

Come back and say that after you've driven/owned a Mk7/7.5 GTI or R.

Me and the wife loved our 7.5 GTI, opted for it over the R as said elsewhere you get 40mpg but still fast enough for B road blasts to keep up with a surprising number of faster cars. Plus it takes a towbar for bikes.

She's not one for fast cars but this car was the only one she's loved out of the vast array I've had over the years. (S3, 335, 350Z, Impreza, 135i, S4) Only sold because having a bloody kid forced the need for more space as you need to bring the kitchen with you on every trip. We were both gutted and plan on getting another one in a couple of years.

That yo mentioned first the mpg is proof enough!
of the car, and the owner...

Come back and say that after you’ve driven/owned a Mk7/7.5 GTI or R.

Absolutely no desire to own one but I've been in and around loads of them. A few days ago I was in a Golf R with 420bhp. The owner thinks it's the greatest car to ever drive the Earth. From the passenger seat it's like every other lardy, boring, shopping trolley. Occasionally you can put your foot down and run out of road instantly. When we were in town we also drove past almost identical looking Golf's about every 90 seconds. Personally I'd take half the power, half the weight and half the gadgets every day.

None of this is relevant to the OP. He's not looking for a daily driver.

Lexus isf. Phenominal reliability, amazing underated cars. V8 fun. Bit of haggling and you might get a good one for 20k

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202001216421162?advertising-location=at_cars&postcode=fk95ht&model=IS%20F&page=1&price-from=500&make=LEXUS

Stretch your budget and sit behind 600 BHP of happiness

https://nclarksouthampton.wixsite.com/kleemannslk

*I have some personal interest in you buying it

**I have a knackered ankle so am also restricted to automatics

I had a ride in a year or two old Golf GTI and was underwhelmed. Nothing special and unrefined.

We loved our lower powered 1 Series, lovely car. Neighbours have a Z4 and that seems a decent motor.

@WorldClassAccident Does it come with the full hairdressers tool kit or do you have to provide your own?

Check the advert - mildly tuned to 596BHP at the wheel. It is a fine blow dry and keeps those bug like Aston, Lambos and Ferrari's out of your hair

Z3 is more of a hair dressr car so I did this to the 2.8 straight six version after an engine tweak

Anything but VAG... surely something wrong if they have to play a synthesized engine sound in the cabin instead of the real sound...

Save up a little more.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202005159339924

It’s got a hatchback to cater for the dog.

The owner thinks it’s the greatest car to ever drive the Earth. 

Thats a bit of a stretch, but to say they're dull is just ill informed.

There's nothing wrong with stating either that it can get 40mpg (eco mode) while still being a great B road blaster (sub 15mpg). Just shows the versatility down practicality of it which the OP is showing a desire for - sporty but spacious.

Didn't realise I needed to sell photocopiers to drive my golf, anyone looking to buy some xerox?

A hot hatch is a reasonable compromise if you need to cart a family around, the op doesnt so a sports car makes more sense.

Other than gt86, have a look at 370z (depending on dog size), mustang (not sure if the v8 is in budget), lotus evora (little over budget, Toyota v6)

Anything but VAG… surely something wrong if they have to play a synthesized engine sound in the cabin instead of the real sound…

I think you will find that quite a few brands do this, BMW - who call it active sound design, Mercedes, Ford etc.

But I do agree about the fake sound, I had the Soundikator disabled on my R

BMW 140i

When we were in town we also drove past almost identical looking Golf’s about every 90 seconds

Part of the appeal for me-not everyone wants to be an exhibitionist

That’s amazingly rubbish with the active sound design off.   Back in the day I had an E46 330i and that sounded better than that 140i does with it on.

As much I’d like a powerful car again, I looked into get a remap on my 320d but that just doesn’t do it.  For me at my time of life it’s all about a burble and a luxurious interior, something like and RS6 or E63, none of which I can afford.

OP how about a 3.2 147 GTA?  Gotta own an Alfa once, right?

Wow, how defensive are all the Golf drivers? I don't even strongly dislike them, literally the first thing was that I get how good they are. They're a perfect all rounder. I just got the impression from the OP that he didn't want or need a perfect all rounder.

but to say they’re dull is just ill informed.

I must have misinformed myself. There's no point in the last 15 years where I haven't known someone with some form of hot VAG and I've never fancied one for myself. The closest I got was test driving Golf GTD's while looking to replace my girlfriend's daily. Didn't buy one. We might end up with an Octavia VRS or similar.

Wow, how defensive are all the Golf drivers?

You could say this about any brand. Reread the thread, who started the mud slinging?

I almost bought an Alfa Montreal in the late 80’s, having owned three GT juniors, but as a 25 year old the running costs were going to be just too much. Now that V8 is a peach of an engine.

I would echo what others have said. The BMW ZF8 box is sublime. Mrs Inbred has one on her X1 25D. It uses the sat nav to anticipate the terrain and changes gear to suit. It’s certainly smoother than any Twin Clutch jobby we tried. We had a DSG in her previous car (DQ200) and it was for ever changing up when we approached roundabouts. It’s a quick change no doubt but not always the right gear and a bit jerky. Just our experience, maybe the bigger DSG boxes are better at the price range you’re looking at.

Wow, how defensive are all the Golf drivers?

It was before coffee, I'm always grumpier before coffee 😉

Personally for the OP, there's so many choices and so few pointers, as an only car I find it useful to be able to throw more than just a shoebox into the car from time to time, a bike for example, so a batch works well for me. If I had to buy a second car right now I'd be looking at an S1 Elise, a 350z, or something else with a nice v6/v8 burble.

I'd also suggest what I have, but you'll get a lot of people who've never driven one telling you they are boring

I like my Cayman. You could get a nice PDK flappy paddle for £20k. Loads of luggage space with front and rear boots.

Considered the GT86 too... might be a bit better if you don't want the dog on the passengers lap.

Test drove a Golf R and GTi the other week. Was really unimpressed with the R... fast yes, but I felt unnecessary, exhaust sounded nothing like I was expecting- it just lacked character. I enjoyed the revvy GTi much more.

Next car for me will probably be slower than the Cayman, as you're easily breaking speed limits before it starts to really feel good. Thats why I think the Mx5/GT86 type cars are such a great idea.

Thanks guys some interesting suggestions to mull over, a couple have possibly tweaked me towards upping the budget, well yo cor tek it wi ya.😋

If the budget is elastic, then forget the m135/m140 I suggested earlier.

How about :-

Porsche cayman - but no room for dog in the back
BMW f80 m4/m3 - love these (I do own one though, so maybe biased)
Jag f type - possibly might fail on the reliable criteria?
Nissan gtr - possibly stretching the budget past its elastic limit?

Shocking number of hatchback suggestions when the op asked for sports/fun

You'd have to be mad to choose a golf over gt86 / Cayman when all you need space for is a dog.

On gt86 rear seats, I'm 185cm and have travelled from le mans to CDG airport in the back without my legs falling off

The budget has quite a bit of elasticity, the problem is I'm a tight old git.
I have flirted with Porsche and Lotus it's the possibility of big bills that scares me shitless.
As soon as this madness eases I/we need to test drive some of the suggestions.
We currently own a Toyota Avensis so are used to living on the edge.😁

Lotus won't be too bad for big bills, the porsche could be if you use a main dealer, but a specialist should keep the costs manageable.

I used to have an elise s1 back in the day, they're fun, but were a bit slow (in a straight line) even back then, so will feel really slow now.

I know the audi fans on here will hate me for it, but I find audis to be terribly boring.

As someone else said earlier you need a car with flaws , flaws = character.

Feeling brave? How about a tvr? Will almost certainly not pass the reliability test though. I used to have a cerebra (after the elise), awesome car, but I couldn't in good conscience recommend that anyone buys one.

I find that of the mainstream manufacturers bmw get the closest to getting the right balance between fun and everything else, but that only on their m cars, their other non m cars (except for m135/m140) are as boring as the rest.

How about a bmw z4m coupe - it will be. A few years old now, but will be fantastic, like a tvr but with added reliability and no rough edges. That's probably where my money would go.

I know the audi fans on here will hate me for it, but I find audis to be terribly boring

No hating, however Audi's may be pre concieved as boring and your typical rep mobile may be.

RS models are different gravy though. The B8/8.5 RS4/5's have 4/5 of the V10 used in Lamborghini's. Redline is 8250 and the grip from the Quattro/sports diff is insane. 450bhp, 0-60 4.5s. Driving god's will berate the AWD and lack of a manual gearbox, but unless you are on a track, do you really want to be able to break traction on the rear wheels, especially in the wet? I don't get the fuss about having a manual gearbox either. It'll leave an M3 or C63 for dust on damp roads

What tasty reliable car

porsche

Any porsche in the 20k range has potential for very big bills die to bore scoring and seals. You can get them with a warranty if needed though

tvr

Hahaha

. Driving god’s will berate the AWD and lack of a manual gearbox, but unless you are on a track, do you really want to be able to break traction on the rear wheels, especially in the wet?

Yeah, it's the awd that I don't like, and yes I'd like to be able to break traction to the rear wheels at will. Not bothered about a manual gearbox though, perfectly happy with a double clutch auto, good torque converter auto(like the zf8), or good manual, as long as I get to choose when to change gear and which gear to change to I don't care how its done.

tvr hahaha

I did say I couldnt in good conscience recommend one. 😁

Yeah, it’s the awd that I don’t like, and yes I’d like to be able to break traction to the rear wheels at will

Fair do's I get it. However - took my mate out who has a Mustang, on damp roads, and he was very impressed where I could put power down. Said there was no way he'd get away with it and he ain't a bad driver

If the budget has flexibility then I can't see past one of the new Mustangs, V8 obviously. Plenty of early ones for low £20k and 2017 onwards have much more palatable VED.

Curveball....

Monaro VXR. I had a drive in one a few years and it blew my hair back. Astonishing noise and drama but very civilised when you're chilling out. You can burble around all you like and then blow the rear tyres off as easily as blink. I've been in much more 'talented' cars but that thing hit me in the feels.

Comfortably within your budget.

Oh my God, I've just remembered how good it was. I'm off to Ebay.

Fair do’s I get it. However – took my mate out who has a Mustang, on damp roads, and he was very impressed where I could put power down. Said there was no way he’d get away with it and he ain’t a bad driver

Yep, there's no doubting that awd is very fast , the fastest car point to point on roads (as opposed to the race track) that I have ever had was my 2007 audi s3, it was bonkers fast, way faster than anything I've had since despite owning cars that on paper are faster.just because you can count on the traction.

I'm talking about on the road here, on a dry track its a different kettle of fish, and the audi would probably have been one of my slower cars.

🙄 but we live in the UK 😂

And how often do you go to the track? Tbh, if I did, I'd buy a track car

Tbh, if I did, I’d buy a track car

Yeah, that's what I did, bought a Caterham 7 for track, and m4 for the road.

Yeah, that’s what I did, bought a Caterham 7 for track, and m4 for the road.

Nice - I like your style!

@5lab Not all will borescore, the 9A1 engine in the 2nd gen 987's hasn't suffered this issue at all- at least the 2.9, not sure about the 3.4 S. Also doesn't have the 'scary IMS' bearing to fail that puts some off

i30N.

Reliable - tick. Hyundai come out top 2 in pretty much all car reliability tests.

Tasty - tick. 275bhp standard, simple tune to ~310bhp, stage 3 to close to 400. Electronic mechanical slip diff. Pretty much all the gadgets you''d want. Warrantied for track use. I've managed 0-60 in 5.6 seconds, I've seen a few get close to 5.

Sounds chuffing amazing. A lot of noise, pops and bangs.

You can buy new for not much more than £20k, and you get 5 year warranty.

Plus, they're not common, and you can tell it isn't the base model Golf or not without looking at the badge 🙂

I get someone chatting to me about my N most weeks, just wandering up in a car park.

Kia Stinger.

I30N, lots of noise, pops and bangs, I'm 57 not 17. 😁

Some lovely Mitsubishi Evolution X FQ 300's from around 15k (or less). But if you aren't wanting an I30 N 🙄

I'll add my love for the m135/m140i too - I had one for two years and I completely loved it. For me it was the perfect blend of practicality, subtlety, respectability and complete lunacy when you wanted. Yeah, I get that there are probably better sports cars for the money, but you can't drive one of those without *someone* judging you for it. I don't think many people would actually care about the difference between a 114i and 135i so it's a perfect fly-under-the-radar machine. If that's important to you.

I'm sure I'll have another one some time.

I'd definitely have an i30N. Not sure if it ticks the "weekend sports car" type requirement but

I'll probably look for a lightly used one once my Focus ST Mk 3.5 is a bit older.

Mitsubishi Evolution X FQ 300

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Most fun car I ever drove was a Mitsubishi Evo VIII.

You know how when you go karting, and you get a good kart that for whatever reason has just perfect balance. You can brake in a straight line, keep the power nice and smooth through the corners and drive fast clean laps all day, or you can behave like a loon and slide round every corner, never feeling like it will ever actually break away and you can just reign it all back in and calm it down if you want to.

That's what the Evo felt like, the handling was sublime. As an ownership prospect they weren't great though. If you drove it sensibly (and no one ever did) you got low double figure MPG, service intervals on the faster ones were like 4,000 miles! And you ended up with the left leg bigger than the right as the clutch was really heavy. They were also one of the least subtle performance cars ever made. Still it was fun borrowing it from my brother for the afternoon.

Leaves £5k for fuel - you'll need a LOT of it

Thanks to you lot I'm off to test drive an M140i with stage one remap and M-Performance exhaust this afternoon...

Thanks for all the suggestions, we're currently trying to move house so once that's sorted I've decided to up the budget and buy a new GR Yaris which I stumbled upon while surfing YouTube.

Thanks to you lot

I know what you mean.   My immaculate 320d MSport touring dad car is sitting in the garage whilst this thread caused me to Look at my friendly dealers web site to see a 335d and 340i version of the same advertised.  Both very much a good swap for the same duty’s and typical sleepers but not “fun”, just quick to 70 on the MWay so what’s the point.

I've recently changed from my 135i to a new golf GTI 7.5. I'd had a lot of work done to the BMW to the tune of 480bhp and frankly ruined it, but it was bloody good fun and as standard they're an ace car. Even managed 42mpg on a long run at 60mph. The Golf is a different proposition - I've not bothered trying to go fast in it as it'll not be as quick as the BMW so I've not been tempted. What I will say is that I drove my mother to Lincolnshire from Suffolk at the weekend to socially distance visit some relatives. 300 miles in a day, comfy and easy with the adaptive cruise control. If it had been the BMW I'd still be recovering now.

Definitely not exciting though. Years ago I had 350z - probably not as quick as the BMW but way more of an event to drive. If I was looking for a cheapish exciting car, I'd be going in that direction. I definitely wouldn't be looking at a Yaris (Gremlin or otherwise) but then different stroke for different folks...

I’ll be keeping my significantly less than immaculate 520D Touring if I buy the 140, it’s already ruined by the bike and the dog and I don’t want a toy going the same way. It’s also worth more to me as a beater than it is in PX.

I've got a 6 month old Cupra ST that's for sale soon to get a van, slightly over your budget...

I test drove a colleague's Fiesta ST recently and was bowled over by how much fun it was. Not much kerb appeal (they've never been on my radar) but was bags of honest fun without having to drive too hard. I'll seriously consider one when my Beemer dies.

I can't think of anything original, so I'll poke holes in everyone else's choices.

Golf R, it's probably going to be my next car, in estate form. It's a fast car isn't it, if you want to get from point A to point B as quickly as possible it's going to be hard to beat, unless maybe you've got the Audi RS3 version, which is sort of the same, costs a lot more and has an extra cylinder and 100bhp or so. Anyway, the Police LOVE them, no wait, they hate them because every small time drug dealer in the UK has one, they're called the VW "failed to stop" by some copper apparently. I fancy the Estate because 1) I could do with the space 2) it's less likely to have been owed by someone in the powders industry so I won't be accidentally TPAC'd on the way to School one morning. Not sure I'd want one as a 'weekend' car. A bit too clinical and a bit too good at going fast. I don't think it fits the brief either.

GT86, I really wanted one of them, how secure are you in your Masculinity? They're sort of the anti-Golf R, or at least the anti-fast German car. They're not really slow, but they're not fast either, they've also not got near unlimited grip. The point of them is to make a drivers car from the 21st Century. Even in Wales, roads are busier than ever before and speed limits are not only more enforced than before, but more necessary. I think a lot of people who hate them (honestly it's an irrational hatred) do so because they dare to challenge to accepted norm that 'more is more'. As cars get bigger, faster, more powerful, get more grip etc, roads get busier. The point of them is that, without being a massively anti-social dick, tearing around the place at 100mph its possible to enjoy them. I'm not sure I could live with an auto though, is it an auto-auto? A 5 speed slush box? Not sure it fits the brief.

A Cayman is sort of a dream car for me, I don't know how much Cayman you can get for £20k but I know some of earlier ones don't always fit the "reliable" breif, but if I didn't have 2 kids and didn't need a car for work every day and maybe if I was brave enough to live with the knowledge that one day a mechanic might tell me "bore scoring mate, you'll need a new engine" I'd have one of those.

I'd probably go with the GT86, or the BRZ if I could find one. but avoid trying to modify it to have more grip or power, because what's the point.

Ok, give it a rest, I'm getting a YARIS. 🤣

Ok, give it a rest, I’m getting a YARIS.

I'd forgotten they existed, but they are very cool. I thought you wanted an Auto?

Circuit pack?

Auto if it was a low seat, I'm ok if there is a decent bend in my knee.
Yes circuit pack, ouch. 😶
I was going to put a deposit down, but apparently they're building 25000 so no panic, might be a few low mileage used examples about by the time I've sorted this house moving fiasco.