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Oirish folk music - all that twiddlydiddlyaye bollocks does my head in - I'm certain the lower circles of hell would have an Oirish themed soundtrack.
Some of it can be, to be sure.Edit: you want pretentious? Try prog rock from the 70's.
However, there's plenty that's interesting, complex music that's clearly more than being clever for the sake of it.
I doubt if any here can understand the effect that hearing King Crimson's [i]21st Century Schitzoid Man[/i] for the first time had on a sixteen year old who had no records, and had only heard what was played on the radio.
Which did include Tangerine Dream on a Sunday afternoon Jimmy Saville programme from Germany.
I have little liking for jazz, although jazz inflected is fine, like Steely Dan/Donald Fagen/Gentle Giant, most of what passes for modern chart music leaves me massively underwhelmed; autotune is the work of Satan.
I don't have much time for Nashville 'hat-acts', the rhinestone and tassels C&W acts, but I have no issues with actual roots country, like Kasey Musgraves, or Karen Dalton, it's only another form of folk music.
Not interested in most electro, disco, d&b, or dance music in general; I want a tune, dammit.
That still leaves a huge amount of stuff from ABBA to Zappa, and includes both.
Basically, there's stuff I like, and stuff I don't like, the stuff I like others don't, like ABBA, for example, (perfect pop songs, no other reason needed), and the stuff I don't that others do.
I fail to understand the massive dislike of the Beatles, unless it's because of a lack of understanding of their historical importance to music, and the massive contributions they made to cutting-edge studio techniques along with George Martin.
Most modern music wouldn't exist in a way we understand with out them showing the way, failure to understand this simple fact shows an amazing amount of ignorance of music history over the last century.
Cleo 'shu be f.. do' Laine and Johnny Dankworth.
Modern mysogony and conceit ridden R&B.
Christan Rock
Bagpipe Rock
Recent U2
Hebridean Waulking songs; music to literally make you piss your tweeds.
Jazz. Especially improv.
And shouty angry white rap. ("I want a fast car and a gun and a house and a whore and more whores and some diamonds and my homies and a purple chair and another car...")
Also musicals.
Hebridean Waulking songs; music to literally make you piss your tweeds.
Giggity.
The venn diagram of the music I like and the music the missus likes has never been too bad. We can agree on a lot she refuses to allow Nick Cave and I refuse to allow Jamiroquai in the car,, recently she had taken a liking to Pitbull which I cannot approve or understand
For the jazz haters does that include the likes of Louis Armstrong and Nina Simone? I get the dislike for the noodlin improv type jazz as it is definitely an acquired taste. It is a large genre though. A bit like someone disliking rock music - which is entirely possible I suppose.
M People - whatever they are, I hate it/
Stuff like The Chemical Brothers. I just find it really cheesy sounding.
Foo Fighters. Just boring formulaic rock. I once heard it described as "corporate rock" which sounds about right. Dave Grohl should just stick to drums, his career peaked at Songs For the Deaf anyway (imo etc etc) 🙂
Country. It is evil. My wife loves it, and my old boss loves it. They both insist on playing country stations when I'm in the car with them. Followed by whatever Munford are, and then Pink, Katy Perry and the like.
Not sure what I hate more about the Beatles - their shite music or the way people fall over themselves to remind you that music as you know it couldn't possibly exist had they not been around. 😉
Of course, we would all still be banging rocks together making cave jazz. Nothing else existed musically before the sodding Beatles.
Hanson. My wife, for some reason, still has the musical taste of a pre-pubescent girl. I refuse to let her pollute the stereo with it.
Christmas songs. The first bar of Wizard or Slade is enough to warrant switching off whatever it's being shoved out of.
Dubstep, Drum and Bass, Journey, speeded-up-fairground-music (Hardcore?) that silly wee bams listen to, RnB (the new kind), Beige (Coldplay et al.), anything sung with an accent that's trying far too hard (The Proclaimers [especially The Proclaimers], Twin Atlantic etc.).
No one actually hates the Beatles - it's just an affectation displayed by people who lack the intelligence to form any genuinely interesting opinions.
As to those who insist that they hate all Jazz/Reggae etc, you come across as one of those people from the 70's who went abroad once and spent the rest of their lives banging on about how awful all foreign food is.
Are you proud of your small mindedness in other walks of life, or just music?
Sorry @ Rustyspanner..... I am far from unable to form interesting and intelligent opinions, and am in no way a displayer of affectations. The Beatles were played ad nauseam by my schoolfriends during the formative years of my musical tastes, when my older sister and her friends were playing Bowie, Floyd and many other bands of the time. As a result I found that I genuinely despised their music. I have an incredibly eclectic taste in music, having been a professional chorister, and enjoy listening to a very broad spectrum indeed,from early Venetian 16 part choral works to Nirvana, but it's got to be music with a purpose, music that defines or shapes a genre or sets new standards. I loved 1970s metal, but didn't like much of the spandex generation. I love British punk, but not much of the American copycat version ( Ramones respectfully excepted). I do however draw the line at R n B, Rap and, I'm sorry to say, improv Jazz.
Oh, and Mick Hucknall.
1) She Is Like A Sad Metaphor That Matches My Sad Face stuff.
2) In The Club, With Our Bitches, Sipping On Our Branded Drinks stuff.
3) The Cute One Sings A Line, Then The Troubled One Sings A Line stuff.
But a lot of stuff I probably haven't made enough of a study of to really have an opinion.
Someone mentioned The Beatles earlier - I agree, cannot be bothered. Ditto The Rolling Stones. But that's got a lot to do with not understanding the historical context of them I think - same as it didn't bother me when Bob Dylan went electric, because I wasn't born.
Dubstep I absolutely can't stand it.
Liquid Dubstep, basically tries to sound like Trance with a break beat and some fart noises.
Edm how is this now classed a genre on its own? Edm used to be the term for all Electronic Dance music (Techno, House, Trance, Hardcore etc)
Jazz it's just shite
Boy bands (westlife etc) they all sound the same
Michael Buble just NO!
Modern R&B again as above
Death metal or whatever it's called, sounds like all the instruments being raped and somebody shouting down a microphone
Gabber hard-core the dance music version of death metal.
🙂
But what is it about the Beatles music itself you don't like, as opposed to the circumstances in which you were introduced to it?
You say the music you like has to have a purpose or define a genre.
Why?
And what purpose?
As to genre defining acts, who decides that?
Critics?
The industry?
Sales figures?
Music is just noise - attempting to define it (and consequently our relationship towards it) by genre is self limiting and joyless act, surely?
DP - apologies.
For decades I have regularly enjoyed jazz (Charlie Mingus), harpsichord (JS Bach), Beatles (almost any post 1965) and Clapton (Cream Live at the Fillmore East), reggae and bluebeat, choral music (Bach's Magnificat) so there must be something wrong with me. Can't abide Mumfords, R and B, Coldplay, heavy metal, most of what I ever hear on R1. Taste innit.
Sam Smith's whining about anything & everything.
Rusty, you're coming across as telling people their opinion is wrong. Opinions are subjective, why do we need a breakdown of the hows and whys?
For the record Helter Skelter isn't bad. That's about all I can abide.
actually, +1 with the beatles. never did understand the hype (altho i was only a toddler at the time, i dont understand it retrospectively)
theres ringo tap tap tapping at the drums and im thinking my mum could do better than that. bland songs, why is everyone screaming at them?? spose you had to be there, altho i can still see the talent in other 60s/70s bands, just not them.
Whenever I am unfortunate enough to hear Gary Moore I want death to take me.
I'd like to take that guitar out of his hands and ram it into his face every time he does that screwed up prolonged note sex face thing. Makes me feel ill....
pretty much any music with guitar solos is uncomfortable for me. Horrible pretentious stuff...
I would never dismiss an entire ' genre' though as some appear to do here.
Of course there is music I dislike, or at the very least like less than others genres. This pales into insignificance to my dislike of people who are derogatory and think poorly of others for their music choices. It's just not that important, live and let live and all that.
This pales into insignificance to my dislike of people who are derogatory and think poorly of others for their music choices.
is a bit contradictory when you stand it next to
It's just not that important, live and let live and all that.
It's banter, get over it. People in different tastes shocker...
It's banter, get over it. People in different tastes shocker...
Here it is, absolutely. But in my day job I get to see bullying and physical abuse based around music choice. It out there - get over it!
Punk - shouty dumb music made purely with the aim to make money, sell T-shirts and promote fashion accessories.
Most genres I can find at least something that I could listen to, but all that suburban white boy ego-angst, not a single worthwhile millisecond of music just pure money shots for the promoters/producers.
Jazz (the improv stuff), and a fair number of Spanish bands that were big when my wife was at university at the end of the eighties. And folk, particularly whiny female singers like Tracy Chapman.
And Ed Sheeran. I really, really hate Ed bloody Sheeran. Unfortunately my daughters love him, and know I hate him, and the little ******s play him just to wind me up 👿
I can usually find good music in most genres but struggle with a lot of heavy metal, trance and modern r'n'b. I ****in hate Kanye West with a passion. I dislike 90% of whats in the charts these days but am still a fan of new music.
I am still slightly perplexed by the amount of jazz haters on this thread..how can you hate this?
Might I recommend the flamenco haters should lock their ears on to a bit of Paco de Lucia. His live at Teatro Real (1978) is amazing but everything else he recorded is well worth a listen.
I fail to understand the massive dislike of the Beatles, unless it's because of a lack of understanding of their historical importance to music, and the massive contributions they made to cutting-edge studio techniques along with George Martin.
Most modern music wouldn't exist in a way we understand with out them showing the way, failure to understand this simple fact shows an amazing amount of ignorance of music history over the last
I know nothing of the importance of studio techniques or music history.Who does ? I just don't like the music
Squirrelking - apologies if I came over as a nob.
It was a genuine enquiry - what is it about the Beatles music that folk don't like?
Had the conversation with a few people, none of whom could tell me.
They seemed to dislike them for reasons other than the music itself, which strikes me as a bit odd.
Do people only read books by people they like?
Anyway, apologies, it was meant lightheartedly.
I think for the folk struggling to interpret other peoples tastes in music, I'd say stop worrying about it so much?
So, People don't like the beatles, so what? You do? Lovely. Why does it bother you that you like something and they don't?
I appreciate that Rolling stones and Led Zep and The Doors are "important" the fact that their particular brand of musical arrangement doesn't float my boat doesn't detract from the fact that I apprecaite the influence that these bands have had on music that I like.
Hope that's OK with the music taste police
When people say they "hate" Jazz, I think they mean this kind of nonsense:
I'm just interested in music.
Personally, I can appreciate and get enjoyment from pretty much anything these days.
I like getting into music a younger, snobbier me wouldn't have entertined.
Learning ro love something, or at least giving it a chance is an interesting process.
Nothing to lose apart from your own preconceptions.
And most of your money down at CD Sids, obviously.
what is it about the Beatles music that folk don't like?
It's shit. (she loves you yeah yeah yeah.....who could not think that was vomit inducing who had not either been lobotomised or trapped in a gulag)
But not as shit as baroque. Which I really hate.
🙂
[i]I like getting into music a younger, snobbier me wouldn't have entertined.[/i]
You've been snobbier than now..?
😆
Perhaps, people have given it a lot of time, y'know, perhaps they've sat down with the white Album, had a stern word with themselves, and internally girded their loins...and still thought "Hmmmmm, A song about chocolates from a hotel? what form of mind altering substances were you actually taking?"
Ok ... so are we are getting close to forming a Band of Death.
Vocals .... Hucknall (Backing ... Loaf)
Lead Guitar .... Clapton
Rhythm Guitar .... Moore/May
Drums .... Star
Bass .... ??
Harpsichord .... John
Music: Mumford and Sons
Words: Lennon/McCarthney
Playing Country standards in a Jazz/Hair Rock style mashup.
Nice
They seemed to dislike them for reasons other than the music itself, which strikes me as a bit odd.
A lot of why people are or are not keen on particular musicians' music is down to image, and to choices that they made in their formative years. That cannot be a surprising idea.
I'm the first to admit I don't know the Beatles well, but a couple of points:
- I'm in my mid-30s. For as long as I've been alive, people my parents' age have been earnestly asserting that the Beatles are Incredibly Important, and that people who don't understand that do not understand [i]anything[/i]. Funnily enough, as a teenager I responded to that exactly as well as teenagers of the 1960s responded to being told that "all this modern music" was terrible. I know Pulp's early albums rather well, but I shan't assume that my kids will regard "Dogs Are Everywhere" and "Picture of Roger Moore" as anything other than old-person music. Hopefully they'll be into whatever kids are into in 2033.
- Meanwhile, Paul McCartney is still alive, and, although not Yewtree'd, is increasingly ridiculous. Like Keith Richards and various other legends of the mid 20th century, McCartney will probably be cool again when he is dead, but he's been pretty close to the antithesis of cool for decades, and it affects the Beatles' coolness. He was born a couple of years before Townes Van Zandt, who died long before he could cease being cool. Jarvis Cocker is wearing reasonably well so far, but there's plenty of time for him to turn into soft-bellied and self-important old conservative. If he does, "Common People" will not recover until after he dies, if ever.
🙂
@nickc I agree that's probably what they are referring to, but that's like saying you hate rock because of - insert really bad hair metal band with really dire twiddley twiddley guitar solos here -
I'm not snobby about music.
It's all equally valid - someone likes it somewhere.
Livin On A Prayer makes me want to rub my face against a dry stone wall, but millions love it.
🙂
Rusty, well quite, I've normal apparently well adjusted friends who tell me that "Brown Eyed Girl" is a great song, and not in fact a cunning form of torture.
I don't think they're ignorant though...
I don't think people are really slagging off "whole genres", I've yet to hear a blues track I like, but they're probably out there, just can't be arsed to find them
Vocals .... Hucknall (Backing ... Loaf)
Lead Guitar .... Clapton
Rhythm Guitar .... Moore/May
Drums .... Star
Bass .... ??
Harpsichord .... JohnMusic: Mumford and Sons
Words: Lennon/McCarthney
Bass has to be Sting...........
Leave Gary Moore out of this please. 😐
Obvious when you think about it.
This is morphing into:
"people who are famous in the Music trade despite appearing to be free of talent"