that's what gin for breakfast is for 😉
I suppose a child watching TV all day, is akin to an adult spending half of their waking day, on an internet chatroom forum!!! (except the TV is slightly more educational)
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Right, ok, now explain how this differs from watching a play or ballet, or looking out of the window on a car journey, or something like that?
It's to do with the way films/TV are edited, not just the subject matter.
When you watch a play or ballet (not that I'm recommending that for the [b]22 month old[/b] in question BTW) you have a fixed point of view and you can follow what is going on. With TV/Film there are lots of jumps/cuts that make it difficult for a 22 month old to follow. There's a fair bit of scientific study which seems to show that this leads to reduced attention span later in life.
A good book on the subject (which recommends no screen based entertainment until 3 at the earliest) is Remotely Controlled by Aric Sigman
Watership down,, a great film for children..
With TV/Film there are lots of jumps/cuts that make it difficult for a 22 month old to follow. There's a fair bit of scientific study which seems to show that this leads to reduced attention span later in life
Hmm I know that there's research about - not sure of the quality of it since I haven't looked - but that would seem to go against my observations. Being able to watch a whole 1.5 hour film when you're not even two is indicative of a LONG attention span, surely? A film is essentially the same subject for 90 mins which is a very long time for a toddler.
This is what is frustrating me about these studies - they just talk about TV as if it's all the same. It's not! Surely anyone can see that watching say Blue Planet is very different indeed from.. I dunno.. Ren and Stimpy (most obnoxious raucous TV show that sprang to mind).
I know that there's research about - not sure of the quality of it since I haven't looked - but that would seem to go against my observations.
Good start. I'm not necessarily comparing TV to marijuana, but, by your logic, marijuana must be OK because it makes people feel good, laugh and want a snack. So why not just toke your kid up when she's at a loose end?
This is what is frustrating me about these studies - they just talk about TV as if it's all the same.
The studies that you haven't looked at?
It's not just about content - as in the story/narrative - it's about how the medium engages the mind, the habits that it encourages and the processes that it can make more difficult. If you stop watching TV for a month, or even just a couple of weeks, you should be able to observe how your own mind begins to behave differently.
by your logic, marijuana must be OK because it makes people feel good, laugh and want a snack
Don't talk crap.
I could respond by using spurious 'logic' (this isn't a logic puzzle btw) to rebut what you've said but there's no point cos it's so stupid.
The studies that you haven't looked at?
Obviously not. I was referring to the ones I have looked at. Why would I be referring to anything else?
It's not just about content - as in the story/narrative - it's about how the medium engages the mind, the habits that it encourages and the processes that it can make more difficult
Yes I know that. However all TV is not MADE the same way as in production, pace, camera, all sorts. Watch really carefully next time In the Night Garden is on.
If you stop watching TV for a month, or even just a couple of weeks, you should be able to observe how your own mind begins to
As usual, I'm ahead of you there mate 🙂
Don't talk crap.
Precisely what you were supposed to say. Well done.
I could respond by using spurious 'logic' (this isn't a logic puzzle btw) to rebut what you've said but there's no point cos it's so stupid.
And yet you understood exactly what I meant.
So have you looked at studies or have you not? You seem a little unclear.
And yet you understood exactly what I meant.
Yeah and I disagree with both the sentiment and the way you've extrapolated to the ridiculous.
Smoking marijuana is nothing like watching telly, is it?
So have you looked at studies or have you not? You seem a little unclear.
I read the page linked to earlier in the thread, and I've read many many reports of studies (possibly this same one) over the years. None of them I can remember differentiating between different kinds of TV, which is my point. Most of them simply demonstrate a correlation rather than a causal link, but at least the linked thread deals with some science (although not too well from what I can tell).
mm I know that there's research about - not sure of the quality of it since I haven't looked - but that would seem to go against my observations. Being able to watch a whole 1.5 hour film when you're not even two is indicative of a LONG attention span, surely?
No.
Are you still referring to this?:Like it or not, your comments did heavily imply a certain attitude (hence the number of offended folk on the thread). If you didn't mean that, then the correct response is usually to apologise.
[b]"I'd never attempt to stick a kid infront of a DVD at such a young age."[/b]
and if so, are you're seriously asking me to appologise for typing something completely inoffensive that YOU somehow managed to read some twisted implication from and upset yourself?
I'll say it again just so you can try to read it for what it is..
[b]"I'd never attempt to stick a kid infront of a DVD at such a young age".[/b]
I honestly feel sorry for you if you can't cope with my personal choice but there's no way I'll appologise to you for saying it so just give it up!
If you don't let your kid watch DVDs and they turn out distinctly average in the long run, have you wasted your time?
yunki Jr is sixteen months old and like every other kid his age he has cbeebies on from dawn til dusk..he generally watches a few moments at a time before he gets bored.. switches it off and does something more interesting.. (except for that episode of waybulloo where nocktock can't balance a coconut on another round object.. he'd watch that all day I reckon.. howls with laughter at the stupidity/slapstick..)
he's usually far too busy climbing up stuff.. building stuff.. playing with his toys.. trying to work out how things work.. singing and dancing.. watching the birds on the feeder in the garden or hitting people with books until they read to him..
make of that what you will..
If your child is busy doing all this other stuff, why do you have the TV on full time?
Smoking marijuana is nothing like watching telly, is it?
Except that the arguments you're making for letting your kid watch hours of TV could equally well be made for letting them smoke marijuana. Come back with a better argument and you might avoid people making such comparisons.
If your child is busy doing all this other stuff, why do you have the TV on full time?
mostly cos me and mrs yunki are so off our faces on speedballs and acid all the livelong day.. that if we didn't have something to focus on we'd be running around screaming and smashing into stuff all the time.. and that's [i]not[/i] a safe environment for a toddler now is it..?
V funny.
But really, why do you have the TV on all day?
Molgrips , if we ever meet , i'll buy you a pint to celebrate your patience ! Been following this on and off over the weekend and i havent got a handbag big enough to get involved . I can't remember an altogether innocent thread ever being hijacked like this one. The guy wants us to recommend films for toddlers , he doesn't want or probably need 'modern parenting ' advice and abuse . GW , aracer etc. crawl back under your bridges will you ?
Except that the arguments you're making for letting your kid watch hours of TV could equally well be made for letting them smoke marijuana.
Except that the effects of marijuana on the brain are profound, instant, and dramatic, and the potential consequences of long term abuse are unequivocal and well documented.
Not the case with TV. For example, I watched TV last night - didn't get stoned at all.
I am thinking your arguments are getting very feeble indeed, so don't pour scorn on mine 🙂
Lucky - 🙂 It's cos I'm on such solid ground I feel. It's why I'm not getting annoyed.
I am thinking your arguments are getting very feeble indeed
Those would be the arguments mentioning the peer reviewed research which are feeble, as opposed to the arguments made by a parent who appears not even to understand how such research is done, given he thinks he can disprove it by watching one subject over a short period?
It's cos I'm on such solid ground I feel. It's why I'm not getting annoyed
Really? You've been getting very defensive - I mean if you're on such solid ground, why the need to bring up you're wife's problems?
I often wonder what's more damaging to kids in the long term - sitting them in front of DVDs/TV for too long or having sanctimonious, judgemental, narrow-minded parents who pass on those characteristics to their kids...
Those would be the arguments mentioning the peer reviewed research which are feeble
Gonna need to show me better links than that smart site.
by watching one subject over a short period?
A short period?! Two years aka her entire life is a short period is it? 🙂
And the one subject is the only one I am interested in currently 🙂
Or to put it another way, I am carefully monitoring the situation. I don't believe that TV is harming her brain invisibly without any tangible external effect.
Anyway just scrolling back I notice that you said the experts say that 'too much TV is bad for kids'. I agree, I don't let her watch too much TV. I let her watch some TV though, and some films. I notice that no-one's asked me how much TV she actually watches on a daily basis...?
PS To anyone else still reading this, Up was hit last night. She was very engaged right up until bedtime. Got as far as the bit where they meet the bird before we stopped it.
the bit where they meet the bird
Oh thank you VERY MUCH! I haven't seen that film yet and now, thanks to your post, I don't NEED TO!!
Please be more considerate to others in future and include the words "SPOILER WARNING" in 50pt text at the beginning of any posts in which you might let slip vital plot elements.
Well perhaps if your brain hadn't been melted by evil TV you'd have been able to figure out what'll happen after the first 20 mins of the film 🙂
I've found myself being profoundly disturbed by the movie 'Happy Feet'..
aww.. lovely fluffly animated love story with dancing and singing and cute penguins.. suddenly hit head on about two thirds of the way through... with complete mental breakdown.. lunatic asylum and daaaaaarkness..
one to avoid
I often wonder what's more damaging to kids in the long term - sitting them in front of DVDs/TV for too long or having sanctimonious, judgemental, narrow-minded parents who pass on those characteristics to their kids...
that's the winning post right there..
