[Closed] Well scotland didnt get independance, thread

Salmond's approach to things doesn't help.

I'm not really fussed either way, but really don't understand the sneering petulance from the English.

We still don't care.

Lifer - Member

I'm not really fussed either way, but really don't understand the sneering petulance from the English.

what, all of them?

So should every region of the UK who didn't vote Tory split too?

Well you can and you should.

You also should have voted for proportional representation a few years ago, albeit it was the weaker Alternative Vote system offered. The Lib Dems should have pushed harder for STV when selling their souls.

You still might not get what you voted for, but you will have a fairer reflection of seats and representation.

And one last thing, Labour need Scottish MP's, but they do not need them to win in the UK. It is the mythical middle England where power is won or lost.

I do not find that acceptable, but many of the posts on here and in the main referendum thread appear to be very happy with this state of affairs.

Well you can and you should.

So rather than one country you'd rather have a patchwork of tiny independent states across the island?

You're an idiot, I'm afraid.

many of the posts on here and in the main referendum thread appear to be very happy with this state of affairs.

I don't think so - seems pretty unanimous that we need significant change. No voters (and me) just think this isn't the right change to make.

What? they didn’t win 🙁 can they have a recount or change the way the votes are counted? the poor wee jobbies.

I believe I'm a net contributor to the economy, society, culture and basically everything. Can I declare independence?

exited about what we will do with all our spare cash now we don't have to support them

You've not been paying attention really, have you? back of the class boy!

To the point I would even support France fervently over Scotland in all competitions sporting.

Lifer - Member
I'm not really fussed either way, but really don't understand the sneering petulance from the English.

That's just Woppit 😉

And don't assume that every non-Scot in the UK is English. It's Union of two kingdoms, a province and a principality.

and Yorkshire.

You're an idiot, I'm afraid.

You're afraid I am an idiot? Cheers, I'm flattered. I actually agreed with your previous post regarding a federal UK, and was implying that in my post. At least a split with the present system anyhow.

You advocate that change is necessary, but if Scotland accepts the status quo, where will this catalyst for change come from? I can't see greater devolution being a vote winner in the shires when all parties will be fighting tooth and nail against UKIP.

Shame the Scots have the balls to go for their own currency

I am still somewhat surprised that Cameron has made such an effort in the No campaign.

He doesn't want to go down in history as the man who lost the union. I have to admit, Salmond has played a blinder - securing far more of the vote than the SNP's share, and at worst he gets a whole load of freebies for Scotland.

So should every region of the UK who didn't vote Tory split too?

The tories have just one MP for the whole country - not something you could say about Wales for example.

It's Union of two kingdoms, a province and a principality.

Well, as a Welshman I dispute that 🙂

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[i]It should speak volumes to you that [s]most[/s] some Scots accept that its going to be tough, but want to do this anyway[/i]

FTFY

We're desperate for this, can't you see?

so are a lot of people with unreal targets that they know deep down they will never achieve , just by using the 4 words " let common sence prevail" before they say anything.

And don't assume that every non-Scot in the UK is English. It's Union of two kingdoms, a province and a principality.

For all the chirping people should remember how they do this sort of thing in over so called civilised countries.
Not seen any snipers in Glasgow, Salmond under house arrest or tanks in Northumbria 'training'

First win to the No camp: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-29263022

No: 19,036
Yes: 16,350

Wondering if I should stay up all night to watch them come on. I would never do that for a general election but I am more concerned about this one.

Wondering if I should stay up all night

No point.

It's 1.01 on betfair.

think i'm the only one here but I have a test running so have to stay up.

Another no, this time from Orkney and a bigger no at 67%.

Going to be a while before the big areas declare though.

ah no, there is other life around. Funnily enough (your username) my test involves some carbon fibre...

At this time in the morning?. I hope it involves beer as well.

already had half a bottle of wine. I am tempted by a beer but test just finished and I have to be up at 8 🙁

Ach aye the NO

Waiting for Dave and Alex to say their pieces on Today.

The new thing: "English Votes For English Laws".

Just to balance out the news until the election.

Pleased and disappointed at the same time. Hope it triggers something better for all of us.

Well it looks like it wasn't as so 50:50 as it seemed it was going to be. I have to say though, out and about it [i]actually[/i] looked and felt like Polling Day yesterday. Here in my sleepy ayrshire village the old folk had put their sunday best on to go and vote. Regardless of what the outcome is and whether you think the result was favourable, I hope people can continue to manage to give this much of a **** in future elections.

Mel Gibson has just released a statement, "Braveheart was only meant to be a bit of fun and should never have been taken seriously. Sorry 'bout that guys".

That's nice of him I think.

Good result. Hope it brings more powers to the regions, including God's Own Country 🙂

I hope people can continue to manage to give this much of a **** in future elections.

This

America now realises we have oil, "freedom" could be arriving any minute!!

Where's the party now?

Cracking news and a Smokey supper will not be classed as foreign food.

What does happen next? Callmedave is going to make a statement which is purported to be an outline for further devolution not just north of the border, but also for other regions including within England. What though for Scotland and independence? Salmond's speech seemed to suggest this wasn't the end, just maybe for this generation, but how many of the yes voters will have their needs met by further devolution, and is 45% where they'll top out at as a result, and it'll track back from there?

The Scotch people have voted, now let that be the end of it.

hmm no this is just the start of it, and quite right too. Moving on quickly, pretending it didn't happen would be extraordinarily stupid, even for Westminster.
I'm hoping the momentum and conversation continues and we see proper constitutional change for the whole of the uk. Everyone is sick of that exclusive club in London, not just Scotland.

Moving on quickly, pretending it didn't happen would be extraordinarily stupid, even for Westminster.

Agreed, and it won't happen. Cameron will dine out on this for a decade. It's media gold for next year's election.

Everyone is sick of that exclusive club in London, not just Scotland.

As someone who works in Westminster, I can assure you that my area - food exports - has made huge efforts to be nothing but helpful to the Scottish Government for years.

Don't think things have just ended!

Its interesting, isn't it?

1)Yes were clearly ahead
2)Panic
3)The 3 main parties promise a form of Devo Max (an option excluded by Cameron in 2011) and not on the ballot paper
4)The Yes bubble collapses

So, clearly, if Devo Max isn't delivered, and people stay engaged and remain undistracted, then Scotland gets change. It was promised....?

Simples?

Everyone is sick of that exclusive club in London, not just Scotland.

^this

Should be interesting watching the folks who have declared they will move abroad if we dont get independance look to find utopia.

Three folk have popped up on my facebook feed this morning saying they are moving away now.

Wonder where they will find this utopia.

Lots of people looked at the ballot paper and changed their mind.