[Closed] Voting BNP.....?????

Oh no, wait, BigDummy has just made it for me,

I missed the bit on how it was "useful, helpful, or in anyway constructive" to buy a tourer when you wanted a mountain bike 😕

And for the record ........... I will NOT be voting for the BNP and I absolutely DO think they are racist.

I never thought that for a moment.

I thought you that were probably a wishy-washy, Guardian reading, middle-class, head-in-the-clouds, liberal. Who thinks that racist thugs should be given a fair crack of the whip like everyone else.

I also think that you are wrong.

As per my first post, I should not have bothered dipping my toe into this. I tried to have a sensible debate on democracy but it's got personal so I'm off

I should not have bothered dipping my toe into this......... it's got personal so I'm off

This is a thread about the BNP. There is something intrinsically 'personal' about the politics of the BNP, if don't happen to be a white anglo-saxon.

Considering what was said, you're a sensitive little soul. I hope you never have the misfortune of having an encounter with a BNP slope-head.

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btw, I take it my description of where you stand was correct then ?

The analogy stretches to breaking point when you find yourself saying "I despise touring bikes and understand that their riders are idiots but will defend to the death a bike shop's right to sell them to such idiots", which I [i]think[/i] is where we come out. 🙂

Out of interest ernie (and I absolutely am a Guardian reading, middle-class, head-in-the-clouds, liberal), where are you drawing your line on which people should be excluded entirely from the political process? Is it just racists? Are anti-democratic totalitarians of a racially-inclusive variety welcome?

The BNP will get alot of votes, unfortunately. Over the last twenty or so
years, it seems to me there has been a dumbing down of the general population.
When I was younger politics was as important to me and my friends, along with music, going out, whatever. I could name most of the MPs then.
Thanks to Thatcher, left or right you couldn't help but get involved.
Now even I'd be hard pushed to name any of MPs (freeloaders).
Most of the country cares more, about Big Brother, Britain’s Talentless and Pop Tunes.
So asking them to make an informed dicision in an election, without
some idiot off Big Brother or Alan Sugar to help them, what do expect to happen?
On a lighter note, I'm with mt, I'm half Irish & a bit catholic, so I'd be happy to be deported Vancover Island or France, evan New Zealand

so i guess the answer is no one is voting for the bnp then?????????

OK I couldn't resist another peek.

Considering what was said, you're a sensitive little soul

thought you that were probably a wishy-washy, Guardian reading, middle-class, head-in-the-clouds, liberal. Who thinks that racist thugs should be given a fair crack of the whip like everyone else.

where are you drawing your line on which people should be excluded entirely from the political process?

so i guess the answer is no one is voting for the bnp then

Lots of people will vote for them, just not many on here.

stilltortoise, it's not worth the bite. Ernie will simply argue for the sake of it and you'll get awfully bored.

Thanks for the tip. I must admit it was interferring with work somewhat. To be fair, my wife would say I'm just as bad as Ernie on the "arguing for the sake of it" front...

Out of interest ernie (and I absolutely am a Guardian reading, middle-class, head-in-the-clouds, liberal), where are you drawing your line on which people should be excluded entirely from the political process?

As I tapped out how I perceived stilltortoise, before he stormed off in a huff because I had used words such as 'wishy-washy' and 'liberal' to describe him, I was very conscious that I was also having a dig at you BigDummy. So well done for picking that up.

"[i]where are you drawing your line on which people should be excluded entirely from the political process[/i]"

Who said anything about 'excluding entirely from the political process' ?

stilltortoise, before he got the hump because I suggested that he had his 'head-in-the-clouds' and that he 'read the Guardian', was talking about [u]encouraging[/u] and how it was a [u]good[/u] thing to have the involvement of racist thugs in British politics. It isn't.

How do you distinguish 'undesirables' from the rest in British politics ? It's easy really. All those who preach hate. Whether it against other people's, race, religion, sexuality .... whatever. I'm sure that you can work it out BD.

The politics of hate is not useful, helpful, or in anyway constructive.

Obvious I would have thought.

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I like baa's post btw.

Now even I'd be hard pushed to name any of MPs (freeloaders).

...though I have a feeling that lot would rather you hadn't heard of them.

I suspect there might not be many people who won't admit it out loud but probably will vote BNP when it comes to standing in the booth in private.

{to set the record straight that WON'T be me).

And I suspect in the North East many of those BNP voters will be lifelong Labour voters and not some hardcore rightwing conservative followers.

Alas.

[i]Who said anything about 'excluding entirely from the political process' ?[/i]

You accused tortoise of believing that "that racist thugs should be given a fair crack of the whip like everyone else". I took this to mean that you consider that racist thugs shouldn't be allowed to stand in elections, or something. Clearly that wasn't what you meant. 🙂

EDIT: I can distyinguish people I [i]don't want to vote for and are clearly mad and wrong[/i] pretty easily, and I can avoid voting for them and argue with people who are considering it, because they're wrong and/or mad. I am not sure there is necessarily a worthwhile distinction between people who preach hate and people who preach the suppression iof individuality to the common good or the collectivisation of all property, say. I am happy to leave both groups in my "mad and wrong" category. 🙂

And you're shouting at a lot of people who aren't voting BNP just because they don't share your zeal in abusing the BNP. I'm not clear what the marginal benefits of this tactic are. 😉

stilltortoise, before he got the hump because I suggested that he had his 'head-in-the-clouds' and that he 'read the Guardian', was talking about encouraging and how it was a good thing to have the involvement of racist thugs in British politics. It isn't.

Was I? You do like to twist people's words for your own agenda. You should be in politics. Anyway, I'm guilty of being personal myself now. You've baited, I've bitten. job done

Lots of people will vote for them, just not many on here.

Yeah, quite a few on here will imo. It's just that it's the sort of thing which people aren't prepared to admit to. It's a dirty nasty business, which people only do in the privacy of their own polling booth, well away from prying eyes.

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stilltortoise - I will take your sensitivities into account in the future, but i'm glad that you at least you accept that you are perhaps a little over- sensitive.

Flashheart - you're not sensitive, so I don't mind saying it - you're a ****.

but I like you 😉

Sadly the subtleties of sarcasm, irony, tongue-in-cheek and all those other delights of real conversation don't transfer well to a web forum. I will get to know your web-personalities in time, and meanwhile assume that everyone is good-natured until proven otherwise 🙂

Sadly the subtleties of sarcasm, irony, tongue-in-cheek and all those other delights of real conversation don't transfer well to a web forum

I think they do with the use of the emoticons. If they're not present - then take it as read.

Well I'm not going to bother voting for anyone - they are all a bunch of corrupt tossers, who put themselves first and the people they are suppose to represent second.

Nothing will change no matter who gets in - a few changes to taxes to make use think we are better off and thats about it.

baa - Member

The BNP will get alot of votes, unfortunately. Over the last twenty or so
years, it seems to me there has been a dumbing down of the general population.
When I was younger politics was as important to me and my friends, along with music, going out, whatever. I could name most of the MPs then.
Thanks to Thatcher, left or right you couldn't help but get involved.
Now even I'd be hard pushed to name any of MPs (freeloaders).
Most of the country cares more, about Big Brother, Britain’s Talentless and Pop Tunes.
So asking them to make an informed dicision in an election, without
some idiot off Big Brother or Alan Sugar to help them, what do expect to happen?

AMEN!

If they're not present - then take it as read.

I tend not to use emoticons to show whether I'm being sarcastic, ironic, or tongue-in-cheek. It kinda of defeats the purpose. I like to give people enough credit that they can work it out.

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😉

Hmmmmm

Time for a song what about

heartland by TheThe

Or

Root's by show of hands

The whole system needs changing, and we can't leave it to them.
after a few sacrificial lambs, by the time of the next general
election it'll all be for gotten and the pigs will have their
snouts in trough again.
If you want to make a protest vote, you could always spoil the ballot
paper which has to be counted, but don't vote for the BNP.
Remeber Hitler and his mates wore a bunch of misfits, drug addicts
sociopaths, and they started off with something like 0.1% of the vote.
Just look at the people in the BNP they are all ****ing nuts.
Don't even give them a second thought

Gerry adams and his friends were once called murderers and madmen.....

Still stoking it up ton, eh ?

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you're a very naughty boy ......

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😀

ernie, only the truth..... 😀

ton - Member

Gerry adams and his friends were once called murderers and madmen.....

So was Nelson Mandela and Moshe Dayan

....and Tony Blair and George Bush.

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no wait ......

teej, correct matey....
people change
politics never does, it is always bollox, only ****s that prosper are the cheating twisting mp basterd5.
IMHO that is.... 😀

Gerry adams and his friends were once called murderers and madmen.....

if don't happen to be a white anglo-saxon.

Sorry - WASP tautology is a pedant's hot button.

Sorry - WASP tautology is a pedant's hot button.

Please bunny, [i]don't ever[/i] apologise for pointing out any irritations which I might have caused you.

My indisputable ability to annoy and irritate you, is something which I truly value.

All I ask of you is that you always remind me just how irritating you find me. Specially if it's occurred in the middle of the night.

I of course meant 'anglo-saxon white' as opposed to gallic white, slavic white, etc.

**** me people, let it go.
i only started the post as a troll.......... 🙁

"As opposed to all those black Anglo-Saxons?

Sorry - WASP tautology is a pedant's hot button."

Not sure if you are correct in your pedantry - depends on whether the lack of a comma between White and Anglo Saxon was intentional - if White is used as an adjective to describe Anglo Saxon then it is tautology, as all Anglo Saxons were white (as far as I am aware) however if white and Anglo Saxon are both being used as adjectives to another noun then it is not tautological as not all whites are anglo saxon...

[Makes mental note not to waste further minutes of precious life replying to Ton's tedious off-topic posts in future] 🙂

bd, just yolking....... 😉

No Norton, I was wrong - hideously wrong. And bunny was absolutely correct.

Jeezus ....... some of you guys want to rob a man of his right to be grumpy at 4 o'clock in the morning.

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ton - thank you for a hugely entertaining thread. I particularly liked the way you popped in every now and again, stoked it up a bit with an inflammatory remark, and then popped out again.
Well done lad 8)

Racism (any kind of prejudice really) strikes me as the most fundamental kind of stupidity imaginable - why would anyone wish to deliberately reduce their opportunity to learn from others, especially if those others come from a different culture to themselves?

The BNP trade on fear and small minded ignorance.
Only those who are too stupid to realise this will vote for them.

Never attempt to deny them publicity or the opportunity to demonstrate their stupidity and hate - let them speak and destroy their arguments with reason.
Prove them wrong by example. Educate our kids and demonstrate that prejudice sucks the happiness and joy from life.
If this doesn't work, try mockery.
If this doesn't work, and they get violent, fight back, with all your might.

As someone very wise once sang 'People are the greatest fun'.
40 years of continuous breathing, all over the world, in the company of all kinds of people, has proved this to be true.

By the way, going back to my great-grandparents, I have Irish, French, Spanish and Flemish ancestry. Do I get to choose where I get deported too?

Rusty Spanner
well put.....
i too have a mixed background, romany, irish and scottish.... 😀

has anyone looked at the BNP website?

it would be hilarious if it wasn't real and threatening.

most of the manifesto stuff is the usual list that politicians wheel out come election time, but they just can't stop themselves, everynow and then a pointlessly racist comment makes it way into the text:

*more money for pensioners
*more police on the street
*we can't promise taxes won't rise to pay for it
*send the buggers back
*public transport needs help
*muslims eh? - scary aren't they
*sustainable power is a good thing

so close, yet so far...

(no, i won't be voting BNP)

Interesting isn't it?

Loads of Mancunians with Flemish/Spanish ancestry - poor immigrants brought in to work in the mighty cotton mills and restock the slums.

And don't forget the Italians of course (Ancoats is still known as Little Italy) the West Indians and loads of people from all over Asia.
Now we've got a new wave of people from West Africa making a home in North Manchester.

Makes for a very interesting and vibrant city.

Of course, this is why the BNP target the North - many people are terrified of change and just want things to be how they think they used to be.
They may have small periodic victories in times of economic unrest and hardship, as people look for someone 'different' to blame, but as we all know, love conquers all, people can't help who they fall in love and have children with, and over the generations we all add to our great evolving and expanding culture.

Racial purity? We call it inbreeding round here. 😀

i too have a mixed background, romany, irish and scottish..

Don't worry ton, you can stay.

But only until you've tarmaced my drive

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Which on the subject of the BNP and Romany people, reminds me .....

The BNP last year forged very close link with a Czech fascist party called the Czech National Party. Here Nick Griffin is seen with their leader only last october :

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Full details on here : http://bnp.org.uk/2008/10/nick-griffin-establishes-links-with-czech-nationalists/

It obviously has full support of the BNP membership with comments like :

[i]"Well done, Nick and everyone else concerned! Nationalism is the only way to defeat the New World Order. They must destroy nations before they can get what they want. All Nationalist parties should be supported."[/i]

Now this Czech fascist party has made the news recently because in it's election campaign for the EU elections, it has called for a "Final Solution" to the Gypsy problem.

Of course every one knows, and not least the Czech people who lived under brutal Nazi occupation, that "The Final Solution" was the programme in which the Nazis murdered a quarter of a million Gypsies.

Czech TV banned the broadcast of the Czech National Party, and there are now moves to ban the party itself.

[url= http://www.ceskenoviny.cz/news/zpravy/czech-ns-party-offers-final-solution-in-tv-slot-ahead-of-eu-polls/378047 ]Public Czech Television (CT) will not broadcast the election video of the nationalist National Party (NS) in which it offers "a final solution to the Gypsy issue," CT general director Jiri Janecek decided today and announced his decision in the station´s prime time newscast[/url]

It's worth remembering just who the BNP count as their friends, and which parties they consider share their own values and aims.

I know that you don't intend to vote ton, but I think you should reconsider your position. Because the issue isn't now just about supporting 'the big parties' anymore, it's now about stopping a very nasty party getting elected.

The BNP isn't a respectable party which simply 'cares about Britain'. It's a filthy, nasty, racist party, which is dangerous to Britain and the British people.

ton - Member
**** me people, let it go.
i only started the post as a troll..........

Well you cried wolf on a sensitive issue. And I'm glad you did as the debate has been 'entertaining'.

One race for me-The Human Race.