[Closed] University giving me chronic rage syndrome

muppetWrangler - Member

Or hire dirty nurses to look after him at his own house ... you know those with really really micro minis.

Get that man a stethoscope, he's hired.

But I prefer to be a gynaecologist doing all the poking and probing ... not looking after old men.

However, I will definitely give all those nurses free checking when they wear micro minis ...

bwaarp - Member

Can anyone explain that one to me, was it the lecturers idea of a joke? If it was, it was totally lost on me.

You failed ... (in Family Guy's Stewie's accent)

You faileddd ... (in Family Guy's Stewie's accent)

Explain how you are meant to choose between those two drugs given the the lack of detail in the question. Eenie meenie miney mo?

bwaarp - Member
You faileddd ... (in Family Guy's Stewie's accent)
Explain how you are meant to choose between those two drugs given the the lack of detail in the question.

ASK THE F'IN LECTURER

ASK THE F'IN LECTURER

She hasn't replied to my e-mails. In fact she hasn't replied to half the classes angry e-mails.

In that case all get together, get your points down and make an appointment with her (or ask to discuss it in the next lecture) also in the world of academia not replying to an e-mail for a few days is probably the norm...

bwaarp - Member

You faileddd ... (in Family Guy's Stewie's accent)

Explain how you are meant to choose between those two drugs given the the lack of detail in the question. Eenie meenie miney mo?

You failllleedd ... again.

[url= http://www.nice.org.uk/nicemedia/live/13651/57924/57924.pdf ]Here some answer for you ... [/url]

To go back to the question we all seem so hung up on, and with no relevant expertise in the subject (but this is, after all, STW) it strikes me that the problem here is in the ambiguous nature of the word [i]aspect [/i] in this context. Had the question used, say, [i]component[/i] then the OP's answer would be correct. Had the question used [i]outcome[/i] or [i]goal[/i] then patient care would (arguably) be more correct.

"Which of the following drugs is used in the treatment of colorectal cancer"

you sure it wasn't "which one isn't...?"

Yup. I have the question and answer in front of me.

You failllleedd ... again.

Here some answer for you ...

That paper is all well and good for deciding a drug regimen when you have a more detailed question/patient profile.

She hasn't replied to my e-mails. In fact she hasn't replied to half the classes angry e-mails.

She's probably busy doing her job, researching, gathering evidence...

It's very easy to bag lecturers for not caring about teaching, and in some cases it's warranted. But, you have to understand that especially in the better, research-led, institutes, that it is your lecturer's grant capture and publication output by which she will be judged by her employers. If not her current employers, then any future employers and her peers.

And obviously without research, there is nothing to be taught.

And obviously without research, there is nothing to be taught.

Definitely, I'm in complete agreement with you Zokes.

I do however think there is a fine line between a blatant disregard for teaching and being busy due to research etc. It doesn't take much to write semi-competent MCQ's. I could riff off 100 well worded questions answers 3 hours or so.

After all, at the end of the day you have a duty to pass on the knowledge that others so kindly taught you. I'd like to think that if I was in her position, I would do my best to try to inspire the next generation of academics and not lead them down the road towards cynicism.

I have some lecturers who are great, you can get tea/coffee with them to discuss various topics and they take a genuine interest in engaging with you. Now I do not expect that from everyone as I know this is hard. I do however expect a little effort and time on the part of a lecturer, being given to students.

Sometimes assessment isn't designed to find out what you know, it can be designed to examine how you'd react to a stressful experience.
Weeds out the cocks.

Yes I know all about those kinds of tests, they're great if you're in the military or someones testing your ability to keep calm in a dire clinical situation.

Not really the point in a purely academic situation is it.

After all, at the end of the day you have a duty to pass on the knowledge that others so kindly taught you. I'd like to think that if I was in her position, I would do my best to try to inspire the next generation of academics and not lead them down the road towards cynicism.

I write papers. These will be in your library. You can read them, and gain knowledge. Judging by my citations, plenty of others have worked it out 😉

As others have said, you're at university to learn, and the onus is on you to do that. At school you are taught, and the onus there is indeed a lot on the teachers to deliver that information.

It's not my field so I can't pass qualified comment on the questions in hand, but it does appear from the resultant thread that it is not black and white that the lecturer was wrong in this instance.

Of course Zokes, but there has to be a certain level of engagement by the lecturer.

Otherwise what's the point? I could get the same education by reading your papers whilst I was in an on the job training scheme.

I know full well that at Oxbridge the level of actual teaching/lecturing is of a much higher quality than what many students have experienced, with lower student to staff ratio's and a lot more one on one tuition. So I do disagree slightly with the idea that lecturers can get away with putting very little effort in because students are meant to be doing everything themselves.

This could be the OP's most valuable lesson.

The purpose of a test is to give the answers the examiners are looking for.

A bit like Vettel on Sunday. The purpose of a race is to win. No, I can't see what the fuss is about.

The purpose of a test is to give the answers the examiners are looking for.

That's probably where I'm not able to compromise, ever.

But, some of these questions were just wrong or badly worded. eg the colorectal cacner drug question. That's all there is to it.

You're not going to pass then are you?

Or did I mean Psaa?

No I'll pass, just not with the mark I worked for.

That's probably where I'm not able to compromise, ever.

If there is a problem with the test thats one thing, getting wound up and trying to ask everyone on an internet forum while getting more wound up is another. It's not healthy....

As plenty have said above the uni system is slow and plodding but nothing happens till the end of the year really. Appeal, try and get a meeting with the lecturer - try knocking on their door and asking rather than e-mailing. Speak to your personal tutor about it.

But in the end let it go.

For sure. During the OP I was just wound up and stressed (I'd spent dozens of hours revising for example when and which colorectal cancer drugs to give and was then faced with the most inane question I have ever read in my life). After that I was defending myself.

I'd taken the test very seriously, as we were told to. It seemed to me that the lecturer hadn't.

Thanks anyway chaps. It was fun arguing some more with you lot.

Can I ask exactly what it is you are studying? And what will you do at the end of it?

I've no doubt you know your stuff regarding EBM and obviously have some prior medical knowledge/background but seriously if you are going to be working with members of the public and get so worked up and stressed about things, you will make yourself ill or simply won't be doing it for long.

And I don't mean that to be deliberately provoking. Its genuine advice - working with/for patients is a serious mental drain sometimes...

bevacazimab - is that the answer to the colorectal cancer question?

I've no doubt you know your stuff regarding EBM and obviously have some prior medical knowledge/background but seriously if you are going to be working with members of the public and get so worked up and stressed about things, you will make yourself ill or simply won't be doing it for long.

And I don't mean that to be deliberately provoking. Its genuine advice - working with/for patients is a serious mental drain sometimes...

I've worked in plenty of stressful situations, what get's my gloat is when I'm paying for that privilege.

Everyone has good and bad days, it happens when you've been stuck inside all day for weeks during the deadline period. I've gotten over it now. Just needed to vent, it's better to let that out than bottle it up hey?

Today one of my lecturers issued an in class MCQ examinations, you get four choices of answers.

Out of 26 questions.

Good job she didn't ask 29 questions, his head would have exploded

I'll ignore that, have a nice day mate! 😀

You failed ... According to Stewie Griffin. 😆

bwaarp - Member

I do however think there is a fine line between a blatant disregard for teaching and being busy due to research etc. It doesn't take much to write semi-competent MCQ's. I could riff off 100 well worded questions answers 3 hours or so.

Teaching ... errmm ... again you failed ... You learnnnn ...

Sounds like you are learning to pass a test rather than learning to do things right? No, I will complain if you set 100 questions ripping off from some Q&A books.

After all, at the end of the day you have a duty to pass on the knowledge that others so kindly taught you. I'd like to think that if I was in her position, I would do my best to try to inspire the next generation of academics and not lead them down the road towards cynicism.

They learned(in Stewie's tone) ...

Inspire? You mean you are not motivated and need some kick starts? Errmmm ... " ... lead them down ... " that's easy for you to say provided you are not faced with demanding, attention seeking, fame culture, money first, me, me, me ... kind of students then you are fine.

I have some lecturers who are great, you can get tea/coffee with them to discuss various topics and they take a genuine interest in engaging with you. Now I do not expect that from everyone as I know this is hard. I do however expect a little effort and time on the part of a lecturer, being given to students.

They are not your new found best mate you know. They do not need to give you the time of the day apart from those stipulated in their contract you know. Just because you pay for your tuition fees you think you can demand more? The purpose of exam is as simple as testing you in various conditions or to filter out those wannabes.

Soz, couldn't resist!

Chewkw, I might listen to you if you could string a coherent sentence together. As it appears, you're ability to do so is no better than my lecturers.

They do not need to give you the time of the day apart from those stipulated in their contract you know. Just because you pay for your tuition fees you think you can demand more?

No, I just think it's reasonable to assume that exams lack grammatical mistakes, lack spelling mistakes, lack answers that are repeated twice, include only one correct answer instead of two correct answers (where one is deemed wrong) and lack questions whereby two answers are exactly the same.

I've worked in plenty of stressful situations, what get's my gloat is when I'm paying for that privilege.

'Get's my gloat'? Oh dear. 😡

I have to admit that when I was at uni (both times) some of the lecturing was absolutely shocking. I had one maths professor who never made eye contact with a single student throughout the year - just stared at the back of the hall looking over the heads of 100 people. Tutoring sessions were a simple inconvenience between their latest research.

If I'd been paying £9k a year I would have been seriously p*d off!

Get's my gloat'? Oh dear.

God damnit! Sunk my own battleship, read "goat".

And the apostrophe?

Chewkw, I might listen to you if you could string a coherent sentence together. As it appears, [b]you're[/b] ability to do so is no better than my lecturers.

Oh teh ironing. 🙂

Okay Grum you win this time.

Git.

*Sheepishly put's dunce hat on*

bwaarp - Member

Chewkw, I might listen to you if you could string a coherent sentence together. As it appears, you're ability to do so is no better than my lecturers.

You failed ... you think you are better than your lecturers.

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mulv1976 - Member

If I'd been paying £9k a year I would have been seriously p*d off!

You failed too because foreign (ahem ... overseas) students pay more than you for years!

Yay I win teh internetz!

I hope that apostrophe in 'put's' is there as a joke!

You failed too because foreign students pay more than you.

Doesn't that kind of play into my point? They pay even more extortionate fees and should therefore probably get semi-competent lecturers.

I hope that apostrophe in 'put's' is there as a joke!

😛

I'm trying to have some fun. Realized I just put "You're" where I shouldn't have.....FFS!

I'll get my coat....screw you guys....I'm going home.

bwaarp - Member

Doesn't that kind of play into my point? They pay even more extortionate fees and should therefore probably get semi-competent lecturers.

No, paying fees got nothing to do with your ability to learn.

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You failed too because foreign (ahem ... overseas) students pay more than you for years!

I 'fail' to see your point. I'm sure they'd be pissed off too. The extent of pissed off-ness is not necessarily proportional to cost, its proportional to quality.

Edit: Second thoughts - you're just trolling so forget it.

No it doesn't but it does have everything to do with getting an education, there is a difference.

Also I don't really see what learning has to do with poor or shoddy course material and examinations.

In fact I'm slightly perplexed by your choice of insults really, as a fellow troll I know one when I see them.

Anyway....I'm definitely off to bed now.

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mulv1976 - Member
I'm sure they'd be pissed off too.

They sure do, yes, they sure do (Peter Griffin calm voice) ... except that majority tend to get on with learning. Well, that's based on my years at Uni.

They sure do, yes, they sure do (Peter Griffin calm voice) ... except that majority tend to get on with learning. Well, that's based on my years at Uni.

Sounds like you spent most of the time watching family guy 😀

bwaarp - Member
She hasn't replied to my e-mails. In fact she hasn't replied to half the classes angry e-mails.

Do you have any idea how many emails lecturers get? I got 14 today from students. Unfortunately i haven't been able to reply to any because i've been in meetings all day. I'm on leave tomorrow, so the students will have to wait until Tuesday.

But at least yours has replied to half the class.