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Good news about trains, Kelvin. Both Germany and France are treading water economically at present, Ernie, the comparison is flattering but the US UK and EU are all up against the same headwind: Asia, especially China.
The German car thing is mostly self inflicted. The regierung decided to cut subsidies on EVs just as the post Covid boom was ending.
City A.Ms articles make my teeth bleed.
Yet you link Twitter, Rone, without any quote or comment on why you are posting about it. I ain't clicking links to that s(h)ite and I don't think many on here are. You're wasting your time and STW server space.
Yet you link Twitter, Rone, without any quote or comment on why you are posting about it. I ain’t clicking links to that s(h)ite and I don’t think many on here are. You’re wasting your time and STW server space.
Speak for yourself edukator, I’m one of the STW members who read rones posts.
Link to Jamie Dillon JP Morgan story that rone posted
Pretending it was going to stop after brexit was always a remainer fantasy.
And pretending that remainers thought that was a Brexy fantasy.
It was never going to stop. People were always going to be happy to take our money for their goods.
It was just going to get slower and more expensive to trade. And it has, it is still and it will be more so - unless we do something about it.
I’d like my freedoms back please. Rejoining is optional at the moment (though difficult I’d agree).
Chancellor of the Exchequer meets the high and mighty in the finance industry shocker.
And even less shocking is that Rachel Reeves will listen to them whinging about how they shouldn't contribute to repairing the alledged "black hole".
From the link:
A spokesperson for UK Finance, which represents UK banks, told Reuters it was “aware” of the concern among banks about a potential levy.
Labour has a tradition of treating bankers with care and compassion...... the last time they were very naughty boys a Labour government came rushing with shedloads of hard-earned taxpayers money to bail them out.
Nationalise the losses, of course, but ffs don't nationalise the profits.
Chancellor of the Exchequer meets the high and mighty in the finance industry shocker.
Lmfao.
Corrupt financier you mean. Thinks Trump was right on many of his plans.
I mean, what a priority for a Labour chancellor - rather than fixing the country goes courting dubious high finance.
Just wait 'till they don't get the growth Argee. You will be there with gold plated excuses.
It's worth remembering the UK government has access to more resources and money than a US banker ever will.
I read Rone’s posts and appreciate his input, it’s linking some random on Twitter and then moaning about Ernie linking City AM that’s irritate me. Filthy Twitter pot versus white electric kettle.
What you mean?
This website didn't pass the link.
Not my fault.
Yet you link Twitter, Rone, without any quote or comment on why you are posting about it. I ain’t clicking links to that s(h)ite and I don’t think many on here are. You’re wasting your time and STW server space
I link twitter with article embeds 90% of the time.
No one's forcing you to read or click anything.
You get to tell people who's wasting time and server space do you?
City A.Ms stuff is just always business is good business is booming etc. So what? Other opinions are available .
I'm not annoyed Ernie posted it at all.
Only reason I post twitter is you can normally pass the article so people can see it.
Prem Nath Sikka who embedded the Dimon article on twitter is a Professor of accountancy at Sheffield Uni and a Labour peer.
Rone is right about the City AM fluff piece. The stats they are quoting could easily be as a result of correcting overstock in a slow market through price slashing and reducing reordering (something many sectors in the UK have been going through, not least clothing).
(Oh, and of course… cycling!)
Brexit was done in a fashion to make going back almost impossible, for the current government to try and roll back on Brexit would cost billions and take up a good amount of their time, we would never get anywhere near to the benefits we had when we left, other EU nations now have those, and will not give them back to a country crawling back.
Why would it cost billions?
It would still be a huge boost to the country and a well worthwhile investment. Outside the EW the UK will conjtinue on a downward spiral
TJ there’s a huge difference between thinking brexit was a mistake, and wanting to rejoin the EU. Just my opinion but I think the vast majority in the UK have no enthusiasm for Europe to become the major issue in our politics again. There are far more important things to be getting on with than rehashing decades old arguments between europhiles and eurosceptics. We’ve just been through an election campaign where Europe was barely mentioned by either side, and I reckon most people are relieved about that.
You need to get out of your brexity bubble. The poll say very different - that rejoin is what the vast majority want. Rejoin now.
Until we rejoin the UK will continue in steep decline
What the government are doing looks good on paper, going to Germany to get some better agreements, then work their way round the other larger nations for the same, make best use of any mutually beneficial ways ahead and try and be as much of an EU nation, without joining.
Thats what they say they are doing but its against EU law for individual countries to do deals of any significance. Its just more gaslighting. Nothing of significance can be done without the 4 freedoms
Obviously Starmer was not and is not a brexiteer.
He has become one spouting lies - " make the most of the opportunities of brexit" the most brexcity of lies. there are none. Pretending we can do significant deals without the 4 freedoms - illegal under the EU charter. Refusing to join an offered youth mobility scheme. We still have not fully implemented the withdrawal agreement - more damage is to come. Why have we not implemented it - because its so damaging
Starmer now supports brexit, lies about it, lies about what the country wants and has successfully gaslit some of you.
There is no other word to describe a brexit supporter which is a what Starmer now is but brexiteer. Its a huge blunder and one that cost the country dear and continues to do so compounding all the time
+1 tj
+1 tj
Try this one Rone. Objective, not at all "business is booming" and accurate in its prediction with hindsight.
I'm happier with their glass half full reporting than Starmer's glass empty speeches. One sure way a leader can get people to tighten their belts is telling them he's going to tighten his belt and it's going to be tough.
Refusing to join an offered youth mobility scheme.
It was a spectacularly mis-timed offer by the EU though, just before the election. Labour had no choice but to turn it down. Since they've just done the very same thing in all but name with Germany, and have said that they'd like to roll it out to other countries.
+1 tj.
Labour had no choice but to turn it down
If there are more than one option you always have a choice. labour have disappointed me (a firm remainer in case you hadn't noticed 😉 ) throughout the Brexit process. When in opposition to Cameron who was firmly remain they gave me the impression that they were so intent on being in opposition their support for Cameron was half hearted. Then it was invoke Article 50 right away then it was respect the vote. Starmer is just a continuation of Labour's lack of enthusiasm for Europe.
There's a sort of if you're not with us you're against us attitude in the UK, in Labour and even on this forum sometimes (though manyof thsoe have ****ed off into the Internet ether). I've smiled as some STWers have assumed that because I'm a dual national living in France I take a malin plaisir when things go badly for Britian. I don't but if people want think that...
In fact I'd like to see Britain booming with a strong pound, benefitting from and contributing to Europe, a leader in green growth. I'd like my sister to be able to live her dream of retiring to an EU country, my nieces and nephews able to work in Europe again, my in-laws able enjoy longer trips, and less faff when I visit them.
Labour is pandering to people whose logic and arguments were so xenophobic little Englander and fragile that they didn't hold up on STW. Remarkably they hold up in parliament.
Why would it cost billions?
It would still be a huge boost to the country and a well worthwhile investment. Outside the EW the UK will conjtinue on a downward spiral
The infrastructure we have implemented will need to be changed, we will have to align with the EU again, resource will be needed to join the EU, etc, etc, etc.
We lost all of our benefits the minute we left the EU, if we rejoined there would be no UK rebate, we would not get to cherry pick the EU agencies based in the UK, we would not have our place with Germany and France in voting and so on.
Would i like to be back in the EU, definitely, will it benefit the UK, i have no clue now, we don't understand the actual deal we'd get if we rejoined, and if that less preferential deal would make up the 2-3% dip the UK growth has had against other comparable EU nations in the timescale. What we do know is that France would make it hard for us, Germany would try and assist where possible, and it would be a lot of in-fighting at the EU to get us back in.
We're both speculating, Kelvin and I've no wish to rewrite history. My alternative view is that Labour would have won with a Norway deal as policy, the opinion polls tell us that there's plenty of Bregret and a Norway deal wouldn't have been an election loser.
Another Tory idea which Labour are thinking of pinching:
Can't they send them to British taxpayer funded accommodation in Rwanda, before the Germans get there first?
a Norway deal wouldn’t have been an election loser
Possibly. But risky.
On prisons abroad…something’s got to give… the answer isn’t building new facilities in the next few weeks and months… reality bites.
the answer is to stop sending so many folk to jail for trivial stuff. We send far more folk to jail than other countries.
Jails are full of the mad, the bad and the sad. Only the bad should be in there
You need to get out of your brexity bubble. The poll say very different – that rejoin is what the vast majority want. Rejoin now.
And yet there's barely a politician in the land who thinks there are votes to be won out of it. Politicians may have many faults but they are great at sniffing out votes and jumping on bandwagons to secure them. If as you say there was such demand for rejoining the EU then political parties and politicians of all stripes would be all over it. But there's nothing, no campaign, no prominent MPs or politicians on the tv demanding it, almost nothing in the newspapers and barely a mention of it in the recent election campaign. All there is is a bloke with a megaphone and sound system and nothing better to do than hang around downing street and parliament, and a few disgruntled remainers on social media who refuse to get on with their lives.
A Norway deal was never an option - you need the EU to be happy with that solution, and they weren't and aren't, And nor would the UK be either - remember you'd come with no voting.
In reality applying for a Norway deal is as much a fantasy as Brexit benefits
In your little brexity bubble dazh
Out in the wider world away from it there is a huge outcry to rejoin and from politicians as well. Get out of your wee brexity right wing bubble
Starmer is trying to head off this with his lies about deals and closer ties in the hope folk fall for his gaslighting anbd think he will get us back in in disguise.
We send far more folk to jail than other countries
Agreed. And the signs are that things will change. But the immediate shortage requires something practical to happen asap… changes to sentencing and early release will only go so far towards coping with the mess left by Tories.
The EU renewed its offer of a Norway deal last year, wbo. I've linked it here a couple of times but I'm getting weary of finding it amonst all the other Brexit crap on the Net.
In your little brexity bubble dazh
TJ in case you hadn't noticed we left the EU in 2020. The 'bubble' I'm in is one of plain and simple reality, rather than the one you exist in where leaving the EU is still up for debate.
Out in the wider world away from it there is a huge outcry to rejoin and from politicians as well.
Where? Can you provide links to a rejoin campaign? Who in parliament is campaigning for it? While you're at it you can send links to all the debates and stump speeches in the recent election campaign where it was mentioned. Where is this 'huge outcry' because in all honesty no one I know talks about it at all. The only place I see it mentioned is a handful of people on here.
As I said - if you get out of your brexity little bubble you will see the reality. We haven't even finished the process of leaving yet.
You are NOT in reality. You are in a gaslit brexity bubble. Hopefully one day your eyes will open.
Hopefully one day your eyes will open.
Ah yes, the age old appeal of those who can see conspiracies and plots where no one else can. One day the truth will be uncovered, and we'll see the light! Meanwhile everyone else gets on with their humdrum lives, living in ignorant bliss. 🙂
The polling is pretty clear on who inhabits a bubble, but I doubt it is bubble - too many pricks in it.
We haven’t even finished the process of leaving yet.
Said with so conviction that I find it hard not to believe you.
Seeing where education is on that list doen't give much hope for the future. When you look at the profile of leavers and remainers it was a lack of education that got us to Brexit in the first place.
Tony Blair made "Education, education, education" his priority for government. He went on to win a landslide. Maybe voters are satisfied with the result. Are you suggesting that they shouldn't be?
The polling is pretty clear on who inhabits a bubble, but I doubt it is bubble – too many pricks in it.
All that poll shows is that Labour successfully made “Europe” a non-issue for voters at the election. And wisely so.
Public support for rejoining the EU is higher now than support for leaving the EU ever was, at any point. But it’s not happening any time soon, as most people realise, so the focus is elsewhere for now. Plenty of other shit to sort out first.
NO Dazh - its simply that your experience is too narrow to see the reality that brexit is still important, rejoin is the preferred direction of the majority and that you have been sucessfully gaslit. With wider sources and knowledge and not just a focus in your narrow little righjt wing brexity bubble you would understand that. this is obvious from your insistance no one is campaigning for rejoin. That is utter nonsense.
Ernie - we still have not got the check on imports from the EU that are a required part of the withdrawal process plus a few other bits and bobs. The withdrawal process is not finished
Kelvin - until we rejoin the other shit cannot be sorted ( most of it)
to move the discussion on
thats a bit of really good news about time as well. Insecure rentals are a scourge on our society. Looks like halfway decent proposals but still include the ability to evict a perfect tenant but with longer notice periods.
England catching up with scotland again in progressive policies
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England catching up with scotland again in progressive policies
A long way to go there! The direction is very slowly turning though.
I find it astonishing that Starmer has to justify what pictures hang on the walls of what is now his home.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjrdxewx70zo
What a stupid question and who gives a toss what Priti Patel thinks - she doesn't live in Downing Street.
Although I find it even more astonishing that a Labour prime minister should commission a £100,000 portrait of a Tory who did so much damage to those that Labour was created to represent.
We just escaped the rotten,corrupt and bureaucratic German empire tj. We are still under American rule (as are the Germans)so very little has changed.This country was on the slide long before the Brexit vote.
If the EU is so great why are it's people voting for nazis everywhere,
Because the EU is great everyone wants to live there and it's upsetting some of the people that feel threatened by that?