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It's a strange one: we're told he's useless yet is also responsible for splitting Labour's vote.
Its Schrodinger's lefty. On the one hand they are completely irrelevant and so can be ignored when formulating policies and policies should be aimed at the right wing vote but on the other hand they are completely and utterly to blame when the right wingers promising even more right wing policies win.
Oddly enough was reading an article about the democrats where exactly the same phenomenon occurred.
The biggest splitter of the Labour vote is chuffin' Starmer.
Self awareness implosion!
"If you don't like what we're doing - leave. My polling? Hold my beer."
Another own goal by the Israelis’ pet poodle. It’s not “anti-Semitism” to not want horrible thugs with a track record of violence running round our cities.
The police said it believed the measure would “help mitigate risks to public safety” and that it remained “steadfast in our support of all affected communities, and reaffirm our zero-tolerance stance on hate crime in all its forms”.
The move was condemned by the prime minister, Keir Starmer, who said: “This is the wrong decision. We will not tolerate antisemitism on our streets.
How are people suppose to have confidence in the police when a Labour Prime Minister publicly attacks their operational decisions and accuses them of tolerating anti-semitism?
This sort of talk by Starmer feeds directly into the personal narrative of thugs who have no respect for the police and want to take to streets and lob bottles at them.
Keir Starmer really does want to model himself on Nigel Farage doesn't he? Farage wants to back islamophobic thugs that take to our streets now Starmer wants to do the same.
Who would have thought that the former Director of Public Prosecutions would one day use the office of Prime Minister to publicly criticise the operational decisions of the police?
Still I guess with the latest opinion poll putting the Labour Party level pegging with the Green Party and his political credibility in tatters Sir Keir Starmer is a very desperate man and is probably not thinking very straight. Why doesn't he do everyone, including himself, a favour and resign?
I saw what the maccabees did to Amsterdam. Not allowing them anywhere other than prison for the rest of their miserable lives is the right way. Disgusting excuses for humans.
I saw what the maccabees did to Amsterdam. Not allowing them anywhere other than prison for the rest of their miserable lives is the right way. Disgusting excuses for humans.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy81qvn7gjo
Amsterdam has the right to defend itself.
Let them come and if they start their racist shit (as they will...because that's who they are) then the police should turn a blind eye to the instigators getting the absolute shite kicked out of them
Never thought I'd see the day where the Prime Minister of the day and the Leader of the Opposition were so animated about protecting the rights of football hooligans to come here and spread their unique form of poison and chaos. I have always said though that Starmer had hooligan sympathies but I am surprised at Badenoch.
I had some curiousity about DBS checks, and what goes on them. There are things that are never taken off. Such as possession of items for terrorist purposes.
If a protester who supported Palestine Action needs a DBS checked job in the future, will it specify the terrorist item was a piece of cardboard?
the police should turn a blind eye to the instigators getting the absolute shite kicked out of them
Yeah but then the headlines will be about anti semitism.
As an Aston Villa season ticket holder (and I've been to several Maccabees gigs) my perspective is a bit different.
Based on the protests at the Giro d'Italia against the Israeli backed team I'm going nowhere near Villa Park that night. Every pro Palestine protestor who can get there will get there (and quite rightly so in my book).
On match day we park a mile or so away and walk along streets which are almost exclusively occupied by Islamic folk. I feel sorry for them.
I know nothing about football or this particular group of supporters, though coincidentally I'm just about to pick up my Dutch football crazy BiL from Gatwick who is seeing three matches here over this weekend, one against Villa so I'm sure I'll get chapter and verse on the Amsterdam violence as he was at the match. However the fact that the Birmingham SAG has made their decision should be enough for our Prime minister as somebody quaintly put in a different context in a different thread, to STFU. The fact that he hasn't speaks volumes about his links with Israel.
If a protester who supported Palestine Action needs a DBS checked job in the future, will it specify the terrorist item was a piece of cardboard?
I'm not too sure of the specifics but the fact that it's a terror related conviction has huge impacts on all manner of otherwise "routine" checks.
I remember being told that the decision to proscribe PA was more due to ongoing terrorism trials underway than the actions at Brize Norton, but either those trials are very long running or it was a smokescreen.
the police should turn a blind eye to the instigators getting the absolute shite kicked out of them
Yeah but then the headlines will be about anti semitism.
In that case bring it on, I'd proudly wear a shirt stating "starmer calls me antisemitic"
Its ****ing rendered meaningless as its thrown around like confetti
It's all such crap.
I'm anti-semetic, but I'm also just as anti-Christianity, and anti-Islam, etc. It's called being a grown up with a brain.
I don't understand why it's such a hard concept to grasp. I'm also against the govenment of Israel, but that has nothing to do with Jews, it's because the government are a muderous dictatorship.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, religion has NO PLACE in modern society.
The ticket allocation for the Israeli team’s supporters appears to be 1K (could be wrong?)
Starmer/Badenoch etc have made more noise about their right to watch 90 minutes of football than the slaughter of 20k+ innocent children
Never thought I'd see the day where the Prime Minister of the day and the Leader of the Opposition were so animated about protecting the rights of football hooligans to come here and spread their unique form of poison and chaos. I have always said though that Starmer had hooligan sympathies but I am surprised at Badenoch.
I think these politicians are deliberate in their actions.
https://twitter.com/meadwaj/status/1978802156737282201?t=S7WxYGHQY77pKupPcZ2shQ&s=19
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Lol not learning a damn thing.
Can't get anything correct can they?
With the possibility of the new EV pay per mile tax - we are really in the upside down.
The country is being wrecked in the shadow of a false ideological set of rules, as well as abject incompetence.
Another own goal by the Israelis’ pet poodle. It’s not “anti-Semitism” to not want horrible thugs with a track record of violence running round our cities.
Supposedly unlike the Tories honesty and integrity characterises Sir Keir Starmer's premiership. And apparently very flexible "principles" to suit any situation and opportunity.
I believe that this photo is genuine :
Starmer really is a lo-life, Nigel Farage for all his many failings doesn't pretend to be anything other than an arsehole. So you can understand why some people might prefer Farage to Starmer.
At least with Farage you get what's written on the tin.
It's good to see that according to a huge poll by YouGov, involving nearly 7k people, that the UK public does not share Starmer's islamophobic and genocidal friendly tendencies :
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2025/10/17/ff31d/2
If you click on the drop-down menu and then tick "politics" those most likely to agree with Starmer are Tory and Reform voters, and those least likely to agree with Starmer are Labour voters.
So absolutely no surprise there then.
Who knows what Starmer’s real views are? Probably not him. 
Blimey, anti-semitism is completely out of control..... now even the Israeli police are at it !
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cgr4n07509wo
I hope Sir Keir Starmer has some harsh words to express his disgust at the decision made by the Israeli police.
Lisa Nandy is looking for the money and resources to welcome the hooligans into the UK.
"We will find the resources that need to be made available once the West Midlands police has come forward with the risk assessment", she says.
Cost of living crisis = sorry can't help you.
Hooligans = we will pick you up at the docks.
https://twitter.com/implausibleblog/status/1980335735229354195?t=1nVyr-W3cD_CdogHEjEnkw&s=19
Nandy will be remembered as a one line footnote in labours history, that’s if she’s remembered at all
Well, she’s gone and done it. The straw that broke the camels back. That’s my Labour membership cancelled. I’m done!
I’ve been increasingly uncomfortable with remaining a member for some time now, but I’ve been justifying it to myself on the grounds that it’s the local party I’m supporting and they’re good people, but this?
I watched that speech by Lisa Nandy and couldn’t believe what I was seeing. A labour minister standing up in parliament to defend the entitlement of far right Israeli thugs? Singing songs about killing kids in Gaza? Seriously?
And on the back of this, Little Tommy Robinson wearing their shirt and saying he’ll be at Villa Park to support them, his security paid for by a Labour minister? It’s absolutely disgusting!
When you’re on the same side as them, then you need to be having a long hard look at how far you’ve lost your way
I am, like many people, now officially politically homeless
Binners ... welcome to the 7!
Seriously, if this thing goes ahead this could end up being an insanely tragic domestic public test of Starmer's political career - in the shape of a football.
Starmer must need his head examining.
I'm with Binners they have lost me.
They will ultimately lose a lot of 'real' Labour people. The Labour voters who switched to Reform I see as Labour because they/their families always have and don't really hold strong allegiance to Labour principles as easily swayed by immigration nonsense.
But where do the real Labour people go though. Easy for me as I have always thought the Green party policies are more Labour than Labour for some time but if you don't think the Green party is it then not sure what you do now?
& now the Thugs are playing the victim card - we don't want your tickets. Oh yes they issues at the weekend they were entirely the other teams fault.
I have always voted Labour, but my missus has always said she doesn't like Kier, I was nah give him time.
Off to vote Green Party from now on. The next election will be scariest on so far in my lifetime.
Since the very latest opinion poll puts Labour on level pegging with the Greens at 15%, and the LibDems are on 12% which is exactly what they got at the general election, then it is clear who is currently the main beneficiary on the left of Labour's dramatic shift to the right and newfound commitment to hard-right rhetoric.
I stand with Binners and many others in being politically homeless.
Zach Polanski is making a lot of the right noises but it's early days for him. I'm old enough to remember another bright-eyed, bushy tailed newcomer who promised the world and sold out for a seat at the big table. Wonder how many millions Nick Clegg has now.
Green Party policy is firmly in the hands of the membership (which I accept isn't a totally problem-free solution) Zack Polanski couldn't do a Nick Clegg even if he wanted to, he is in effect nothing more than a spokesman for the party.
Which is exactly how it should be imo, I think the whole idea of a political party which claims to be democratic having a "leader" is ridiculous.
We wouldn't be were we are today if the Labour Party didn't give their leader so much unchallenged power. Why does the NEC not have the power to suspend Keir Starmer for his comments publicly attacking the West Midlands police and bringing the party into dispute? Any Labour backbencher would have had the Labour whip removed.
Which is exactly how it should be imo, I think the whole idea of a political party which claims to be democratic having a "leader" is ridiculous.
Anyone who's worked in an environment where decisions are taken by committee would beg to disagree.
Green Party policy is firmly in the hands of the membership (which I accept isn't a totally problem-free solution) Zack Polanski couldn't do a Nick Clegg even if he wanted to, he is in effect nothing more than a spokesman for the party.
LibDem members had a vote on joining the coalition, without them Clegg could do nothing. Once in coalition, party policy was still set by members voting, but of course that didn't set government policy because the Conservatives also had a (bigger) say in that. If Polanski ends up in government, with other parties, reality will force compromise (or the government falls).
Why does the NEC not have the power to suspend Keir Starmer...
It does have that power.
FFS will someone please sort out the formatting on this thread.
Green party binners! That's where I am now, not a member (yet!) but I'll be voting for them in all elections from now on and encouraging everyone I know to do the same. Feel sorry for our local Labour MP as he's done a good job which he will almost certainly lose at the next election but he can't expect people to vote for a party defending the rights of fascist thugs.
I'll be doing what I've done in past elections... donate to the fighting fund of Green candidates in winnable seats, and vote for our local Labour candidate who I have plenty of time for (and voted for at hustings while I was a member).
The telaviv/ aston villa matter is just an unwinnable culture war fight that served no purpose
"Its an operational matter for west midlands police" should have been the governments response, I know the rw press wouldve piled in on them but they should just respond with focusing on fixing the economy etc etc
It’s a crazy state of affairs to choose this hill to die on. I honestly expected better of Lisa Nandy, who I’ve always liked. To expend a load of political capital, which is hardly in plentiful supply, to alienate your remaining supporters and please some far right Israeli thugs and Tommy Robinson?
Said hooligans then say ‘we didn’t want to come anyway’ leaving you looking bloody stupid and like they’re the ones dictating the agenda, which apparently they are.
The only thing that would have been worse is them actually turning up, with the government having overruled the police, then there inevitably being loads of trouble, just as the police had warned about.
Either way, having stupidly and completely unnecessarily put yourself in this position, you’re going to end up looking like a complete mug
Absolutely clueless!
And that’s before you get into what it says about your attitude to democracy that you’re sitting in Westminster, ordering a regional police force to change an operational decision that it’s made, based on what they describe as ‘credible intel’
So much for devolution?
away from all that nonsense
this is what really matters
https://bsky.app/profile/timbale.bsky.social/post/3m3omodaqis2z
and vote for our local Labour candidate who I have plenty of time for
Nope. I won't be voting or supporting Labour in any form until Starmer and his fellow fascist apologists are gone and they clearly demonstrate they do not align themselves with far right fascists. If we can't draw the line now then we never will.
Josh Fenton-Glynn is a good guy and hardworking MP, but if he chooses to remain in a party which aligns with the likes of Tommy Robinson then he doesn't deserve the votes of people who are opposed to racism, thuggery and violence.
It’s a crazy state of affairs to choose this hill to die on. I honestly expected better of Lisa Nandy, who I’ve always liked. To expend a load of political capital, which is hardly in plentiful supply, to alienate your remaining supporters and please some far right Israeli thugs and Tommy Robinson?
Said hooligans then say ‘we didn’t want to come anyway’ leaving you looking bloody stupid and like they’re the ones dictating the agenda, which apparently they are.
The only thing that would have been worse is them actually turning up, with the government having overruled the police, then there inevitably being loads of trouble, just as the police had warned about.
Either way, having stupidly and completely unnecessarily put yourself in this position, you’re going to end up looking like a complete mug
Absolutely clueless!
And that’s before you get into what it says about your attitude to democracy that you’re sitting in Westminster, ordering a regional police force to change an operational decision that it’s made, based on what they describe as ‘credible intel’
So much for devolution?
This is the same government that shrugged when the CPS stated that China were not a threat to national security.
I thought the DG of MI5 showed more statesman like behaviour than that shower of shit could ever be capable of.
Have we really run out of everyone with a personality and the skills to lead effectively? I don't like to pay attention to the lunatics online who cry about the UK being lost.
No matter what you believe the main issues are, they all track back to the same big house full of the 'Right Honourable' who are more like the 'Right Useless'.
Currently there's everything to lose by not voting green - even if the intention might not be to get green in power due to the numbers. It sends the signal that we want positive progressive policy and push back from all this jack-boot nonsense that started (let's face it) ages ago.
We need to get out of this spiral. The right-wingers are looking at the economy which they have baulked with their bullshit ruinous neoliberal agenda - and to save it for their own needs they're going to ask us all to suffer again via cuts and taxation delivered by Reeves. (Who's not going to balance the books in a month of Sundays.) And it's destructive and counter intuitive too.
The inflation by interest rate adjustment is not working - but will break something eventually. In the meantime interest income is being paid to wealth, and they've never had such a good ride with assets like gold and equities absolutely piling through the roof.
It's disgraceful.
It doesn't work for the majority. It will never work as it stands. Whatever form Labour take next they need a seriously bad kicking so the Labour right can go **** themselves.
The broader 'right' absolutely hate Labour too - so what's the point?