The point is does anyone believe that Rishi Sunak has any allegiances to anyone beyond himself and his immediate family?
If so, do they actually believe the little guy will still be resident in the UK a week after the election?
The rules for emigration are very different for the super wealthy than the rest of us. Rishi would have no problems whether his green card has expired or not.
What's interesting is that even daily express hacks are enjoying this (also Holdens girlfriend is a politics reporter at The Sun)
https://twitter.com/christiancalgie/status/1799859124047593566?t=b-XXSWfmYp7CF9m-iRTzEw&s=19
Even before that, at 10pm as polls close they’ll release the results of the exit polls.
Which have been incredibly accurate in recent GEs.
You missed a third one out though “maintain continuous residency in the U.S. ” which to me is a commitment.
the caveat being “could imply” leaves some leeway for
The rules for emigration are very different for the super wealthy
He'll be impressed by all those hearty outdoor camping types around Venice and Santa Monica.
I reckon they might have to totally refurb no.10 after Sunak moves out.
Allegedly, to keep morale up during the GE campaign, a sex dungeon has been installed in the basement and the attic has a cannabis farm in full flush ready for harvest.
Gove brings his own marching powder of course.
So France is now going to have a general election at the same time as the UK.
And will quite likely elect a hard right government.
Random observation today after chatting with a dyed in the wool Tory voting relative.....
"Rishi did the right thing by buggering off early, screw the French, the Germans and the bloody "Japs," they should all still be paying us money back. And while we're at it, why should the French get to own E:On!? Our government should be taking it off them and start running it."
🤔 I mean... It's just very confusing.
Does look like there is going to be a scary divergence across the channel, will be in the opposite direction to normal though.
Us going centre (left) and France likely going way right
You missed a third one out though “maintain continuous residency in the U.S. ” which to me is a commitment
You're trying to make out that he's got (or more accurately had) some kind of foreign allegiance because he had a Green Card. This is same old canard as Catholics owing allegiance to Rome or Jews owing allegiance to Israel.
The reality is much more prosaic, and you're getting the "obligation" to live in the US backwards. The only thing that happens if you don't do it is that you are supposed to lose the status. PR status is only for residents. If you're not a resident, you're not eligible and it can be cancelled (same if you don't file tax returns or break the law etc). The US is not very diligent about cancelling it for people that really live outside the US - I have a colleague that hasn't lived there since about 2005 but she pops over every now and again to keep it formally active. For Sunak - it's a bit harder to fly under the radar when you're an MP or later a minister, and he handed it back because he wasn't eligible to keep it.
In any case - he's not going to find it hard to get back there esp if his wife and kids have status there. The (possibly cynical) rumour is that he has picked school places for his kids in California to start in September.
Are bookies giving odds on Sunak being an MP in July 2025?
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Us going centre (left)
Sorry, but I don't think the Greens are going to win 😉
Labour is set for a majority of 416 at the upcoming general election, leaving the Tories at just 37 seats, according to the new Deltapoll survey, which puts Sir Keir Starmer’s party on 46 per cent compared to the Conservatives on 21 per cent – with even the prime minister set to lose his Yorkshire seat
Eh? Tories left with just 37 MPs?
This is getting silly now. I reckon Deltapoll should have gone back and done another survey, there is clearly something very wrong with their poll results. I would have struggled to believe it if they had said double that, 74.
Decent article here about the short term effects of the swing too the right across Europe.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cv22vne9x03o
As always, will be interesting to see the "charismatic right wing, anti-elites" simple solutions to difficult problems hit reality.
Having a taste of far right politics might allow people to see the reality. Either way, it's going to happen.
I just think these things are cyclic probably and a swing back to the left will happen and so on....
ernielynch
Full Member
Labour is set for a majority of 416 at the upcoming general election
Yeah, I just don't see the swing to Labour being as big as some of these predictions say but what do I know?
As long as the Tories lose the GE I'll be happy enough for the moment. Not so long ago another Tory term seemed inevitable. Boris the party animal did for them, they never recovered their votes after that.
Funny leaders don't make good leaders, shocker.
The EU results and what's going on in France, Germany, etc is just the change that's occurred slowly over the years, with a bit of impetus now due to Russia/Ukraine, Israel/Gaza and so on, the EU has always been a bit of a basket case due to so many moving parts that make it operate, i think it's in for a rough few years ahead to keep operating the way it wants, probably the only benefit to us from Brexit is we might avoid the pain of in-fighting in the European Parliaments that'll become more prevalent.
Still, hopefully we get our house in order after this election, the way things are going in Europe, i'm optimistic that we might get another chance in the next 5-10 years of having a better relationship/deal with the EU.
^^ Damned true! 😁
Just wondering about those EU results.....
^^ Theres no doubt there has been Russian meddling and on a macro level, including AI and China, democracy itself is in for a hard time.
Autocratic regimes are going to be able to handle this new age nore effectively and far better placed to exploit it.
^^ Theres no doubt there has been Russian meddling and on a macro level, including AI and China, democracy itself is in for a hard time.
Autocratic regimes are going to be able to handle this new age nore effectively and far better placed to exploit it.
Theres also the perfect storm in terms of scheduling - much of the the worlds election cycles have aligned in 2024. 3/4s of the world's democracies go to the polls this year. With elections coming so think and fast theres going to be so much misinformation and so little time to spot, address and reflect on it.
Well the UK party that the Russians bankrolled for years appears to be about to be wiped out.
Its served its purpose
Looking at the damage they’ve done, it represents value-for-money Putin could barely have dreamt of
binners
Full Member
Looking at the damage they’ve done, it represents value-for-money Putin could barely have dreamt of
... and Brexit is far from done with us yet.
About the only positive of Brexit is that its mostly killed off the Leave argument even amongst the far right in the EU. They are pushing for reform now rather than leaving. Still problematic of course and not much consolation for the UK!
Farage and his coterie must be laughing like a drain at an endorsement from Braverman, Lewis Carroll couldn't have done better.
Keir Starmer taking his lead from Sunak’s interaction whilst out campaigning when he was questioned by doctor a few days ago
Extract of interaction below in case Twitter link doesn’t work
This is the most disgusting thing I have ever seen from a political figure. A young girl described having to bundle blankets and wear a jumpsuit to bed because her family can't afford the heating or "treats" anymore, and Keir Starmer laughed and said his son loves his onesie.
Richard Holden needs to pray he loses. Otherwise he’s going to be known forever as Billericay Dickie.
BillMC
Full Member
Farage and his coterie must be laughing like a drain at an endorsement from Braverman, Lewis Carroll couldn’t have done better.
The Tory party hollowed out from within by Brexit and on the verge of entirely being consumed by the Brexit cancer.
Front page of The Times ‘Time for the tories to embrace farage’ says braverman.
The Tory party doesn’t really exist any more, does it? The whole entity is just Nigel Farages gimp
Neil - the better reference is 'Tricky Dicky' by Ian Dury...
somafunk, we’re sleeping under extra blankets and in fleeces… in June… [ this weather is nuts ] … and do all winter… before, not just because of, the heating price jump.
If that really is the most disgusting thing that poster has ever seen a political figure do… they live in a different country to me. Awkward? For sure.
It’s not conspiring to have a journalist beaten up.
It’s not making someone you had an affair with a minister (or a shadow minister).
It’s not giving honours to your team and backers after leaving the office of PM, having throughly dishonoured it, with their help.
It’s an in moment failed attempt to connect.
Keir Starmer taking his lead from Sunak’s interaction whilst out campaigning when he was questioned by doctor a few days ago
Got to be honest, I looked at that and looked at the GP one and don't see a huge lot of equivalence. I think the commentator is clutching at straws trying to stick one on Starmer and I know you don't like him either and think you're doing the same.
I wasn't even that convinced by the GP one, it wasn't Sunak, it was one of his hired placard carriers that actually made the comment.
Also did a bit of fact checking and the clip’s nearly a year old. And check the other output of the commentator….. I think you’d do well to distance yourself from that Somafunk
I don’t follow them, it came up in a Reddit UK election thread, I hadn’t seen it before so I searched for the initial clip but couldn’t find it so thought it was a recent video. It turns out it’s part of a ITN video that wasn’t used (as far as I can find out in 5 mins of highly detailed and thorough research)
j4mie
Free Member
Interesting news from France. Seems Europe is in for a tough time.Hope mental politics can soon calm down and become boring again.
I think we are in an age of absolutism so I'm not optimistic.
At a UK level I hope the insanity subsides a bit though.
Also did a bit of fact checking and the clip’s nearly a year old.
Ok but is it out of context?
Afterall Sunaks defence about the d-day screwup was that it wasnt due to the itv interview he left early to attend but rather it was several months in advance he couldnt be bothered.
