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A Labour candidate suspended for betting on the election
how can he have had advanced knowledge of the GE?
actually he sounds like douchebag
bails
I think you’re right that there’s a lot of hope that we’re being lied to!
Yeah, it's an odd position to be in and in an ideal world we wouldn't want to be lied to but this is where we are in reality. Hell, I don't really feel lied to, I think most people know Labour aren't going to"grow"us out of this mess. Not for years anyway.
It's a little like when a nurse says, "you'll just feel a little scratch" as she darts you. A lot of the time it's a bit more than a little scratch and you knew it would be.lol... but it's well meant and the blood test is very much necessary.
Is skooby planning these responses? The whataboutery is exceptional, if very diverting
As well as steadfastly avoiding the specific question about why the so-called VIP Lane actively excluded established PPE providers who were holding stock of certified grade PPE in Q2 2020 and were making that known to the government regularly during that period.
Arco were actively excluded in favour of a startup company, run by a Tory peer, that didn't have any actual PPE, and delivered unusable shite once it had been shipped. Arco were not invited to be part or all of the solution. They were actively excluded to the benefit of the likes of PPE Medpro.
If Skooby can come up with a good reason for this, I'd be glad to hear it. Otherwise I'm just skipping over his/her drivel from now on.
Seeing all this stuff about the NHS reminded me of Labour's last term in office. The Tories had privatised just about everything easy to sell but Blair wanted quick cash. The NHS was unsaleable because, less face it, it's nver going to be profitable. BUT, it had a load of property which could be flogged off and rented back to the NHS.
This time Labour have dropped " the NHS is not for sale" between it's pre-manifesto and the actual manifesto.
Anyhow:
https://www.yournhsneedsyou.com/timeline/
That’s the defining difference for me, the intent.
Uh huh and what about those who were happy with 350m on a bus or the claims we would still be in the common market etc etc because what mattered for them was the intent of getting out of the EU.
Lying is lying and will just help lower the expectations of politicians in general and allow the next bunch of lying tory bastards to go one step further still.
Arco were actively excluded in favour of a startup company, run by a Tory peer
Forget about the political optics for a moment and thinking about it purely from a humanitarian perspective - that's an unforgivable manoeuvre. You'd have to have a very very good reason to exclude a company balls deep in the world of PPE for decades as part of your response.
There's a few things I'm hoping we'll find out about once the Tories are out
- the Russian influence in our elections and Brexit. The report got buried on that one
- the full extent of corruption surrounding the VIP lane
- the outcome of the COVID inquiry. How many died because of them
- all the reports on climate change that have been buried/parked until after the election
- all the education reports that have been left on a shelf
- all the remaining reports from the immigration tzar that haven't been released (the ones he didn't leak)
You’d have to have a very very good reason to exclude a company balls deep in the world of PPE for decades as part of your response.
The Tories think enriching themselves and their chums IS a very very good reason. The people on the receiving end of the shonky PPE, not so much.
Re the labour candidate - what a knob.
Seems like he was up to something slightly different to the tory/plod grifters but even so. Previously it was a clean, clear story Labour could use to underline exactly what atmosphere and the type of people the tories had involved in and around government. Now - not so much. Then you remember Starmer welcomed Elphicke onboard when there was zero need and the veneer is peeling before the wrapping paper is off.
I wonder how many others involved somehow in the election and have taken a punt are cringing right now waiting for their name to get dragged in.
IIRC election candidates are banned from betting on elections.
The suspended Labour candidate Kevin Craig said he “deeply” regrets putting a bet on the Tories winning in the Suffolk constituency he is contesting.
Warra numpty - FFS!
Tories ok weve belatedly suspended our 2 candidates
Labour ok were suspending a candidate for betting against himself to lose
Tory cabinet minister... I was joking that id win £2100 on election date
https://twitter.com/joepike/status/1805662613025485032?t=z1Y5QuVOuVvD-o-HpY6Ecw&s=19
this is going to blow up now, ill bet loads of candidates, staffers, etc bet on all kinds of political stuff
Or 29 million very very shitty reasons.
Considering well over a billion's worth of usable PPE is currently stockpiled awaiting destruction in the New Forest, the 29m for Mone is dwarfed by the level of incompetence in the remainder of the covid procurement process.
But yes, let's tackle benefit fraud.
At least having found it they acted decisively.
I wonder it it's meant as a Judas bet, one that you hope to lose because you want that outcome. Although on an event you can potentially have an influence over is daft. At least if you bet on yourself (Tonali) there's no chance of alleging 'throwing' the game with a bad performance at a hustings, or calling an old lady a bigot off camera.
And if a Judas bet is illegal because it influences the outcome then I'd better refer myself to the gaming commission, 'cos I'm bang to rights.
In the here and now – Let’s talk about corruption/bad morals in Sunak’s Tory party (gambling allegations, dodgy HoL nominations, Tees Enterprise Zone, PPE VIP Lanes, Hester donation), and what corruption/bad morals in Starmer’s Labour party looks like (errrr…..), and there is clearly no equivalence…….
That aged well 😆
The Labour betting one, on an individual basis, is as bad as an individual Tory one.
I suppose Starmer at least has the balls and authority within his own party to act. Unlike Sunak who has to ask permission from whichever loony 'family' he is currently trying to appease.
But betting on yourself to lose will always create the impression that you could 'throw' the result to benefit financially. No matter how specious that might be. You just do not do it.
The Tory version seems much more widespread though - but now Labour are tarnished the "they're all as bad as each other" brigade are out in force. That only benefits the National Socialists, sorry, Reform.
Kevin Craig - you plonker.
dissonance
Uh huh and what about those who were happy with 350m on a bus or the claims we would still be in the common market etc etc because what mattered for them was the intent of getting out of the EU.
Lying is lying and will just help lower the expectations of politicians in general and allow the next bunch of lying tory bastards to go one step further still.
In a world/ country where politicians always placed the country before party or personal wealth/ influence Id absolutely agree with you. Unfortunately we have mostly endured Tory governments in our history as their party has been incredibly successful at winning elections. Is that due to remarkably good governance or the willingness to do whatever is necessary, irrelevant of convention, morality or ethics to retain power? I think it's the latter.
In the real world intent does matter. We could currently have a Labour party, standing on principle and generally fighting an election based upon the political equivalent of Marquess of Queensbury rules. They'd be polite, 100% truthful in their manifesto and held up as a shining example of UK politics. Which is entirely lovely until you are fighting an opponent willing to spit in your face, kick you in the balls then set a dog on you just to make sure the gravy train carries on flowing.
If you are fighting a viper you better be willing to bite back. The UK no longer has the luxury of having Labour in opposition for another 5 years, perhaps another decade or more because they aren't willing to fight the Tories where they reside; the gutter.
The Tories haven't inflicted their distinctive form of government on us because of the Labour party and any perceived ills its done. If Jesus H Christ himself were in opposition they would still have behaved exactly the same way. If there is a lack of trust in politicians it has been both actively encouraged by the Tories as a form of voter suppression as well as accidently inflicted due to the utter contempt they have shown for parliament and the UK populous.
Again, I know not everyone agrees with my take, which is fine, but personally I'm done with a Labour party that's too principled to take the fight to the Tories, it's a luxury we can no longer afford.
@poopscoop, I feel your pain. For me it's two issues ..(and they keep cropping up on the thread, so sorry to repeat)
- FPTP has gifted Tories w power more often than not with (significantly) less than 50% of the votes. We're stuck with it this time round, and have to hold our noses and vote tactically
- In the longer run, we have to campaign for electoral reform, push for a more representative system with some kind of PR
susepic
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@poopscoop, I feel your pain. For me it’s two issues ..(and they keep cropping up on the thread, so sorry to repeat)FPTP has gifted Tories w power more often than not with (significantly) less than 50% of the votes. We’re stuck with it this time round, and have to hold our noses and vote tactically
In the longer run, we have to campaign for electoral reform, push for a more representative system with some kind of PR
Yeah, sorry all, got on my high horse in the post above. I still stand by the logic but I allowed my poor mood to seep into the tone and that's something I'm desperate to avoid.
(I'm not *that* angry about politics, it's "other stuff".)
I must admit it's only the discussions of PR on here that made me really think about electoral reform.
I was initially pretty sceptical of the benefits of PR to a healthy elective system. Then it occurred to me that they're is no *perfect* voting system. Based upon that rather obvious revelation (I got there in the end at least, lol) I'm far more inclined towards PR than I was. 👍
Poop, I hope that i didn't come across as lecturing or mansplaining. We all have lots of life stuff going on (you more than most) and the tory clusterf@ck of brexit and covid etc etc just makes it even worse and snuffs out any hope or positivity.
I'm trying to think that July 5 could be a better place
But betting on yourself to lose will always create the impression that you could ‘throw’ the result to benefit financially. No matter how specious that might be. You just do not do it
Peston saying a lot of staffers & candidates, Labour, refm, con all have placed bets like this or similar, if the gambling commission starts calling out each one it could become (more) chaotic
susepic
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Poop, I hope that i didn’t come across as lecturing or mansplaining.
Lord no mate, didn't even occur to me to think that!👍
I’m trying to think that July 5 could be a better place
I'm still a little terrified that, against all odds, the Tories scrape it. I think that's why I'm so vociferous about the Tories needing to be removed at any cost. Logically I know it's hugely unlikely (they scrape it) but even the tiny chance of it makes me feel a little nauseous. Lol
Even assuming Labour win, theres some hellish problems to solve and I can only hope Labour are up to it and are given the time to turn the tide by the electorate.
m still a little terrified that, against all odds, the Tories scrape it. I think that’s why I’m so vociferous about the Tories needing to be removed at any cost.
So how are people seeing things on the ground developing in their constituencies. Here in midsussex it seems that the libdems are odds on to give the tories a shock 🤣, but still some work to do. Labour apparently have realised they are not going to have a chance so are diverting resources to Crawley where their chances are historically better.
How are things developing for Frankconway and Binners, is the situation going in the right direction in this last few days?
Peston saying a lot of staffers & candidates, Labour, refm, con all have placed bets like this or similar, if the gambling commission starts calling out each one it could become (more) chaotic
I'm not a betting person other than the lotto sometimes and I dont begrudge people having a bet on things but I'm shocked at the stupidity of the situation.
I see Starmer has also said that the donation (£100k) to the Labour party the now suspended candidate made is being returned too.👍
What a bloody idiot, making a bet on losing the seat.ffs!
I blame @binners for all this. 😉
Looks like someone couldn't wait until 4th July to dispatch Sunak*
* a car has smashed through the main gates at Chequers this evening but was thwarted by the security bollards behind.
https://www.bucksfreepress.co.uk/news/24410826.emergency-services-dealing-incident-chequers/
So how are people seeing things on the ground developing in their constituencies.
Neck and neck here with the incumbent Tory a couple of points in front of Labour.
Still not seen a single Tory poster up (though admittedly I'm not out much these days.lol) but a fair few Labour ones, occasional Green and Libdem too. I'm sure the Tory vote is there but you know, shy Tory syndrome.
Man, lots and lots of flyers/letters through our door though! I've had 3 or 4 from Labour, 1 Tory and a libdem and green one arrived today.
I'm sure we didn't get this maklny in other elections or it's just I have a poor memory!?
It really feels like there is "war" going on, hidden in the most part apart from on here or in the news, for the very soul of the country. This really does feel like the most important election of my lifetime so far, I get the impression many others feel the same.
Dickyboy
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Looks like someone couldn’t wait until 4th July to dispatch Sunak** a car has smashed through the main gates at Chequers this evening but was thwarted by the security bollards behind.
https://www.bucksfreepress.co.uk/news/24410826.emergency-services-dealing-incident-chequers//blockquote >
Shit. Theres been an incident at Sunak's house up in Yorkshire too but I just expected that to be Just Stop Oil or such.Has there been some coordinated "attack"? That's not JSO's mo.
Edit:Looks like they are unrelated.
So how are people seeing things on the ground developing in their constituencies
Looks like libdem & labour can't decide who are best placed to oust the Tories, so true blue here by the looks of things, although libdem are definitely trying the hardest, but I'll wait till nearer the day to see what the polls are saying - tactical voting websites aren't calling it yet either.
Shit. Theres been an incident at Sunak’s house up in Yorkshire too but I just expected that to be Just Stop Oil or such.
Just a pissed idiot according to the paper - the entrance to chequers is straight on if you fail to negotiate the 90 degree bend in the road - only spotted the carnage on an evening loop walk around chequers, looked like the roof had been cut off, surprised the car wreck was still there 7hrs after the event.
^^ looks like it was an original VW Scirocco too.
Hopefully the driver is ok, the front took one hell of a hit from the bollards looking at the photos.
Someone broke in and took a s*** in Rishi’s duck pond. It feels like it should be one from a familiar set of comedy threats. I suppose he was all out of sausages, and couldn’t find those Sambas to rechristen.
zomg
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Someone broke in and took a s*** in Rishi’s duck pond. It feels like it should be one from a familiar set of comedy threats.
I need clarification, has that actually happened?
Not going to lie, I'm having a bit of a laugh here as I type this.
I'm a child but come on...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgrrlep3l0ro
It comes as a video was released by protest group Youth Demand, which appeared to show a young man entering the prime minister's property and defecating in a lake.
The four men, aged 52 from London, 43 from Bolton, 21 from Manchester, and 20 from Chichester, remained in police custody for questioning and inquiries were ongoing, North Yorkshire Police added.
Group called Youth Demand...and one of the arrested is the quite excellent (possible the best- until next year) age of 52. On a personal level I'm taking that as a win.
Edit - watched the video. The old gits appear to just be paps there to watch a young man defecate - which has just wierded me out and rather pissed on this 52 year old's chips.
The group said the action was a "parting gift" for the prime minister and the Conservative government.
Oh God, im in tears here. 😂
Heroes one and all.
looks like it was an original VW Scirocco too.
If a mk1/2 Scirocco then blame the shit 239mm disc brakes and cross bulkhead operated master cylinder, you'd be better off opening the door and putting your foot down to stop.
I've owned many Mk1/2 Sciroccos, first improvement was always 256mm disc upgrades and bulkhead strengthening plate
Someone broke in and took a s*** in Rishi’s duck pond. It feels like it should be one from a familiar set of comedy threats.
I need clarification, has that actually happened?
Is it a coincidence that we've had a thread on here about Bowel Training? Was that some sort of activation of a sleeper cell?. I mean, I'm not sure I'm able to go on demand like that - reports say they were apprehended within a minute of getting into the grounds.
Group called Youth Demand…and one of the arrested is the quite excellent (possible the best- until next year) age of 52. On a personal level I’m taking that as a win.
To be fair, they’re all probably a lot younger than the average Tory voter these days…
In truth it looks like a real sausage (yes, peak STW!) stuck up the guys bottom but I edited it out just in case!
Was that some sort of activation of a sleeper cell?.
Oh God, stop! 😂😂
Hmmm @poopscoop , ummm can we just check, nominative determinism being what it is and all…
Fair play though - breaking in with one in the chamber ready. Get you timing wrong or get caught before the bomb doors are open and it could get messy.
Fair play though – breaking in with one in the chamber ready. Get you timing wrong or get caught before the bomb doors are open and it could get messy.
One of the funniest scenes on jackass, the bathroom showroom.
Hope the boys in Richmond got their picolax dosing dialled in....
One of the funniest scenes on jackass, the bathroom showroom.
Oh man, id never seen that before!
Then I found the video of him in the minivan BEFORE he even went into the plumbing store! My God, the humanity! 😂
igm
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Hmmm @poopscoop , ummm can we just check, nominative determinism being what it is and all…
I'm hindsight I'm so glad I chose that tag.
I'm sure I tried signing up as butt nugget all initially all those years ago but I don't think my membership was approved! Sorry Mark!
Don't wory it's only 15 tory candidates & staff being investigated by the gambling commission...
https://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/1805720047303696686?t=AWyxtoX3JeNGfaaDeH4zqA&s=19
Don’t wory it’s only 15 tory candidates & staff being investigated by the gambling commission…
I consider it way past the time that the Conservative Party should be declared a “domestic terrorism organisation” and outlawed for the damage they have done to the country
Don’t wory it’s only 15 tory candidates & staff being investigated by the gambling commission…
in fairness it seems we have half a dozen cops and a labour candidate too… although the labour candidate just bet that the Tory would beat him, which I think in “City Circles” is just hedging your deposit so probably OK. Ironically by having been “outed” he’s now more likely to win that bet!
kimbers
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Don’t wory it’s only 15 tory candidates & staff being investigated by the gambling commission…
That took me to a follw up tweet that's a little concerning.
Many candidates are thought to have placed bets upon themselves to win. Now... That's subtly very different but that subtly will be lost on the electorate.
Also... Labour candidates are far more likely to have placed such a bet on themselves winning (if they are bloody politically stupid...) for obvious reasons than their opposing Tory candidate.
Imagine a scenario where Starmer has to ignore that subtle difference of betting on yourself to win and is forced to suspend a tonne of candidates...
The Tories then win the GE due to Labour candidates having to stand as independants, if at all.
I know I'm very much thinking of a worst case scenario but... it's possible.
Yep, betting on yourself to lose is still very dodgy in the eyes of gambling as you could potentially throw the contest (like Rishi is). Betting to win is a bit different unless your challengers are forced to withdraw for some unknown reason.
Seems pretty obvious to me that an MP should not be betting on politics but then I am a bit straighter than a lot of MPs I suppose.
I can't decide if I'm annoyed Alister Jack won £2K but isn't under investigation or not.
On the one hand, it would be nice to see him charged with something. On the other, I like the idea of him having to explain why he's done nothing wrong to everyone who interviews him and every voter he meets for the next week or so.
SNP, btw, for all you tactical voters. Unless the most important thing for you is the Union in which case I guess you're going to have to vote Tory.
* a car has smashed through the main gates at Chequers this evening but was thwarted by the security bollards behind.
The gates to Chequers are straight on where the road does a 90 degree right, more likely someone not paying attention/drunk etc.
A fair few years ago night riding in the Chilterns we popped out from a footpath on one of our usual loops into a sunken road around the back of Chequers straight into a squad of armed 'blokes' with night-vision goggles on walking up it 🙂
Access-wise there never use to be any fencing nor signs in the woods (unsure now) and there's even a public footpath across the lawns.
Tactical vote of SNP for me where I am otherwise the Tories will be in.
I'd rather vote Labour or Lib Dem if they had a chance here, but even with SNP getting the vote I'm not thinking (hoping) ondependence will fly, though if anything would make me consider voting for it it would be the evil ****ing Tories.
Someone broke in and took a s*** in Rishi’s duck pond.
Releasing a torpoodo on command is a skill. You might have to retrain your bowels. Just saying...
But I've questions.
- who the **** has this as an idea? "I know what this government need, it needs a dirty pond protest with a week until election. That will turn the tide....'
- how did it go to broach this subject with a couple of mates in the pub? 'Hey Gaz, fancy a drive to Sunaks gaff so that you can film me pinching one off?'
Arco were actively excluded in favour of a startup company, run by a Tory peer
This is far worse than folk think, and Mone's £29m/£100m is small 'beer' compared to what's actually occurred:
The figures show £9.9bn of the £13.6bn worth of PPE that the department bought between 2020 and 2022 was unusable or its value is now less than the government paid for it. This includes defective or unsuitable equipment as well as PPE that could not be used before its expiry date.
£10BILLION!
This is far worse than folk think, and Mone’s £29m/£100m is small ‘beer’ compared to what’s actually occurred:
Totally. But Mone is the one to put pressure on. If she ends up in a court she will shop everyone else she knows about. It is in her nature.
In other news I see that the invisible Kemi Badanoch has briefly re-emerged, taking a break from her upcoming leadership campaign, to have a spat with David Tennant about trans rights on Twitter
Anyone seen any other cabinet ministers apart from Jimmy dimly (who’s stepping down anyway) recently? It’s almost like they all want to distance themselves completely from the whole campaign
I wonder how many of the remaining Tory MPs will launch their (already prepared) leadership bids on July 5th? My guess is all of them
Rats in a sack
Are their any decent ideas to look forward to in this shit show?
There's barely anything good coming out of this campaign. What a terrible state of affairs the UK is in.
We seem to have forgotten about inequality, housing, jobs, climate and infrastructure.
Well done MPs of all sides for not offering up solutions to pressing problems.
And the media for drowning in it.
There’s barely anything good coming out of this campaign. What a terrible state of affairs the UK is in.
We seem to have forgotten about inequality, housing, jobs, climate and infrastructure.
Well done MPs of all sides for not offering up solutions to pressing problems.
So what are you going to do about it (other than whine on a niche internet forum)?
DO something? Actually DO something? Are you mad?
I think you're missing some peoples raison d'etre
So what are you going to do about it
I suppose I could vote Green. What are you going to do about it?
People feeling like they are doing something by posting leaflets with Labour written on are not helping as much as they think as Labour are not planning to do anything about it either.
So what are you going to do about it (other than whine on a niche internet forum)?
At least whining on a niche Internet forum is better than what thousands of marginally engage people are thinking right now, which is "teach the establishment a lesson by voting for someone 'radical'" I.e. Farage's rabble.
Kevin Craig should be made to walk around his constituency in a pointy hat before being put in the stocks for a day next to a bin full of rancid fruit. Preferably fruit that has gone off as a result of being delayed by Brexit border checks.
The bit in the middle is called the perineum
I'm not sure if anyone on this thread is actually 'doing' anything.
As said above, posting leaflets for a party that is not showing any signs of changing anything is not really doing something in terms of changing political discourse.
If anything, if you are volunteering for the Labour party you are part of the problem as you are actively supporting not changing politics.
Maybe folk should get off their high horses (unless they can show how they are actually 'doing something', of course).
People feeling like they are doing something by posting leaflets with Labour written on are not helping as much as they think as Labour are not planning to do anything about it either.
Really? You lot (and by that I mean our resident socialist revolutionaries) moan about voter apathy and then you mock the people who are getting off their arses and actually trying to do something about it?
You can't have it both ways.
I got up this morning and as it was a nice morning I went out delivering some more of what you say are my 'pointless' leaflets. I had a chat with a few people and pointed out that there will be a lot more of this sunshine under a Labour Government 😀
I may not be doing much - nothing according to you - but all I care about is traying to contribute to unseating our useless Tory MP and getting James Frith in his place who, as a man, is everything James Daly isn't. And if I stay up next Thursday and thats happened then the future for this constituency is a bit brighter. If that makes me hopelessly naive then I can live with that, thanks.
And if you say you're going to vote green, then why don't you contact your local green party candidate and see if you can make yourself useful there. Don't just sit moaning on the internet about everything being shit....
GET OFF YOUR ARSE AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!
It was a lovely morning for it.... 😀
We seem to have forgotten about inequality, housing, jobs, climate and infrastructure.
Have you read the manifestos?
This campaign period is very disappointing with its lack of focus on the real work ahead... in the media, down the pub, and here. But the parties have published policies in all these areas (and for me only one party has nothing to offer at all in any of those areas, and they need kicking into touch ASAP... plus we have a once in a lifetime chance to kick them right out of the grounds... so let's grab it).
We seem to have forgotten about inequality, housing, jobs, climate and infrastructure.
Is this because the focus is on what the public *want* to hear about? Why speak about education when no-one is talking about education. Particularly for Labour anything they say above 'have to' opens them up to criticism in the campaign and being held to deliver things they cannot afford to when they take over...
I was at an event yesterday which had a graph of the public priorities. Things like NHS/health, economy and immigration were dominant. Subjects like climate & environment, or education were something like 7th and 9th on the list.
We have so many political leaders driven by populism too - so they do not set a vision of what could be, an agenda that they want to see happen. They are only reacting to what people want to hear. It is a ever narrowing spiral I would think...
Been subjected to Spotify adverts... Labours ads being served up focussed on more teachers, and access to dental health for kids... both probably high up "public priorities" when asking parents of small children, rather than retired or close to retired people. Demographics (who makes, who owns and who pays for "news") probably heavily skews our views of the campaign. It's like listening in on some campaign doorstopping, but there are only retired people in to answer their doors.
Breaking on Beeb: Man just been arrested in Westminster honey trap case.
Really? You lot (and by that I mean our resident socialist revolutionaries) moan about voter apathy and then you mock the people who are getting off their arses and actually trying to do something about it?
I have never mentioned voter apathy but don't let that stop you making it up. Again, you think you are doing something about inequality, housing, jobs and infrastructure but how exactly given that presumably your goal is to get a Labour party to replace the Tory party who are about as ambitious as the tories are just not as morally void. Kool aid anybody.
Yeah, because that is exactly what I was getting at. Okay, so you don't like someone questioning why you feel the Labour party is going to make such a difference to inequality, housing, infrastructure etc,. especially as you are kidding yourself about it all by spending your own time pointlessly pushing leaflets through doors.
Let's come back in 5 years time and see how it has panned out. You like a bet don't you, come up with some meaningful differences that the Labour will make in 5 years and I will be up for that.