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They drive on a fixed track FFS. Its a monotomous job. Can't afford to have 2-3 kids? Then dont have 2-3 kids. Some of the arguement/justifications for affecting others lives is stoopid.
Why should they be allowed to hold others livelihoods to ransom? Dont like your job? **** off and work somewhere else. Oh you wont make 40k so your 'stuck' in this one huh. McDonalds not paying enough for you?
****ing hate Liberal-apologists sometimes.
Why should they be allowed to hold others livelihoods to ransom
It's called a legal right to hold industrial action. Next time you're having your tea break at work or having a day off on a public holioday, just remember how you got there.
Well said, TM.
Mind, some of this lot would moan if they had the wrong kind of cup for their tea, or something.
Oh, and Hora;
Shut up.
Thanks. 😀
Everyone who strikes is holding someone else to ransom Hora. If it seems the tube drivers 40k makes you feel undervalued for what you do then maybe you should have chosen a different career path. I can think of several other careers that involve similar effort or skill level and pay as much or more then them.
I think all the striking tube staff shoud be fired without a right to appeal.
Our economy is suffering badly and those ****ers want large payrises?? Sack them all, ignore their so-****ing-called human rightrs and let us, people living in London, get on with our lives. No tube at night, no tube on Xmas Day, no tube this Thursday so all the morons can watch the footie at home on tele. Basturds!
I'd like you to take an educated guess on how long the Tube network would carry on running without engineering hours at night.
The service could feasibly be extended into the later night or earlier morning though, surely. I know our network is the oldest in the world but other countries operate much longer hours on the subways
So on a section of track with less than 4 hours engineering hours how do you get any work done if you take an hour off each end seeing that you have to vacate the site and have it cleared at least 40 minutes before the power comes back on?
work faster
Is that like the old joke about the man talking about him and his wife trying to have a baby, and his 7 year old son asking "why can't you just put more men on the job"?
Are you an RMT union steward?
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I wish.
The fact of it is Bob Crow is a massive ****. I can't wait till Dave gets into power next year and with Boris, finishes of the job Maggie started and smashes the RMT.
Strike for a legitimate purpose (not that I can think of one), not because a "member" was sacked for opening the doors on the wrong side then lying about safety checks after and another of your members was caught stealing
Tube drivers pay and conditions http://www.aslef.org.uk/information/102222/102225/103142/london_underground/
Ah, the usual shite from backwards arsenal... 🙄
This strike is actually about securing pay rises in line with the level of inflation, and no redundancies. Tube workers claim they are already understaffed, so any job cuts would lead to them being spread even thinner, which would undoubtedly lead to compromises in the safety of workers and passengers, as I've already said (pity no-one was listening..). Get it right. As for the reinstatement of the two workers, I think that's a separate issue that is being confused with this dispute.
but the level of inflation is negative if you're talking RPI, so 0 is a good deal at the moment. 5% is decadent.
🙄
Again the worlds self proclaimed expert on everything spouting shit, the RMT have already been offered an above inflation pay rise but, turned it down unless the workers were reinstated (one of them is in crown court next month).
Beyond you, I don't think there's much support for Bob Crow (the Scargill of the 00's).
http://news.google.co.uk/news/more?um=1&ned=uk&cf=all&ncl=dM_D7awy1liVSiM41OW_880Y0DZWM
Arsenal; calm yerself down mate, and stop getting in such a tiz.
As for vulnerable people: carers who need to use transport to get to them can claim additional expenses if they require taxis. Many people who need medical treatment can also claim if necessary. There will also be provision for ambulances to take people to hospital, for appointments, if needed.
So much outrage, which is actually being whipped up by the media, surprise surprise. Apparently, there may be some limited Tube services still operating tomorrow and up til 7pm on Thursday. It's not the end of the World!
So, watch those knees jerking; you might kick yerselves in the face!
Oh, and regardless of what any of us think; the majority of RMT members who voted, voted in favour of strike action. Democracy, no? Arsenal; weren't you banging on about just that, on the BNP thread? 🙄
I'm not in a tiz at all.
The strike is not legitimate, the right to strike is one that should be used as a very last resort not, as a yearly throwing your toys out of the pram exercise. Unions have done good work in the past but, when ****s like Bob Crow get into a position of power the publics sympathies (esp in the current economic climate) tends to wesr thin
And if you think the RMT is a democracy you're even more deluded than I previously thought
http://www.rmt.org.uk/Templates/News.asp?NodeID=92597
Nightie night.
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I think I'd be more sympathetic to their cause if they didn't have a strike every single year.
A quick search over the BBC news website, and a cursory glance makes it at least look like they've had one every year since at least 2000. *
It doesn't actually inconvenience me anyway, bikes are great 🙂
* I've not checked this in great detail, but this is certainly the third strike in as many years, and there's definitely been more before that.
[b]Rudeboy [/b][i]"Come on then' what, mate?"[/i]
[b]Rudeboy[/b] [i]"We could all find statistics to support whatever argument we have..."[/i]
Let's have your stats. You seem quite convinced that you are right and everyone else is wrong so where are your supporting data?
[b]Rudeboy:[/b] [i]"I think that some of the problems in the socially valuable professions are because people aren't 'rewarded' according to their social value. Increase the rewards, then maybe people might be better motivated. Which might increase their efficiency. No wonder people prefer to go for jobs in the greed sector, if they can; the rewards are greater."[/i]
Unfortunately your argument has several rather large holes in it Rudeboy. The "Greed Sector" as you call it, is responsible for earning the country enough money to pay for the public services we all rely on. Without it, there won't be any "socially valuable professions".
You write that "increase the rewards, then people might be better motivated" without taking into account that the median public sector salary is already significantly higher than the median private sector salary - and that's without the extra holiday, good pensions, extra sickies and reduced working hours being taken into account.
If what you write is correct, we could reasonably expect the "socially valuable professions" to be more productive. This is far from the case - productivity in the public sector has fallen for much of the last 10 years and remains far removed from the "greed sector", as evidenced most recently by yesterday's Audit Office report that points to the public getting worse value from the £1,000B or so of extra funding that's been thrown at the public sector in the last 10 years.
When I started work in London I was on 12k. platform idiots were on 17k.
You mean you don't even qualify as a platform idiot? ****... You really must be very stoopipd hora
Strikes also coincide with the England game/Wembley. Nice one. Ransom-holding is it?
Then there are the two tube drivers sacked- one for lying over a safety issue and the other for theft. RMT wants them reinstated before on condition of the strike.
I hope they break the back of this Union- **** off back to the 70's/80's. Tossers.
You mean you don't even qualify as a platform idiot? ****... You really must be very stoopipd hora
LOL! Post of the month! 😆
Brilliant, Juan.
The "Greed Sector" as you call it, is responsible for earning the country enough money to pay for the public services we all rely on
Ah, would that be the same sector that earns so much money for the benefit of everyone, that it has to have large chunks of it bailed out by the taxpayer? Or the same sector where there have been, and will continue to be, massive redundancies? Great.
Let's get back to the real world.
Nurses do one of the most valuable jobs in our society, yet are rewarded relatively very badly. They do longer hours than most, and often have to work well beyond the end of their shifts, as there aren't enough nurses. Why not? Because it's an extremely hard job, for shite money.
Would you not agree, that such jobs should be rewarded better?
I'm not
Juan, yep Woolworths head office in supply chain. They didnt pay grads very well back then.
The "Greed-sector" is the powerhouse for this country. Sadly the public sector (by design) can not be a powerhouse or drive a countries economy. I cant beleive that there is actually a minister for the NorthWest Children etc now. WTF?! What next, a Minister for Manchester?
They get 40k? Why the hell did i bother going to uni?
They get 40k? Why the hell did i bother going to uni?
Would you sit on your tod, holding a lever day in day out?
They get 40k? Why the hell did i bother going to uni?
Unfortunately its basically a union controlled closed shop so you'd have to work your way up from the low-paid platform staff type jobs to earn the 'right' to train as a driver. Of course being a card-carrying Bob Crow supporter doesn't hurt upwards progression.
Would you sit on your tod, holding a lever day in day out?
Well apparently you said it's so easy that everyone (save you) can do it.
They get 40k? Why the hell did i bother going to uni?
Just an idea, but was it so's you could get an education, mix with other like-minded people, share ideas, get drunk, meet members of the opposite/same sex for naughtiness?
Ah Juan, would you be French and a stereotypical union/strikelover? 😉 😆
I read somewhere, and maybe our resident Frenchman can confim/deny this that when the French underground staff went on strike they all turned up for work, opened the ticket gates and let everyone have free travel for the duration of the strike, hurting the business but not the commuters.
Make more sense than our lots efforts, even if it's made up!
Rudeboy "Nurses do one of the most valuable jobs in our society, yet are rewarded relatively very badly. They do longer hours than most, and often have to work well beyond the end of their shifts, as there aren't enough nurses. Why not? Because it's an extremely hard job, for shite money."
I'm not sure where you are getting your "facts" from Rudeboy, but I suspect that you're simply throwing about Rhetoric to obfuscate your lack of knowledge.
You won't find anyone disagreeing that Nurses do a valuable and important job. That's precisely why pay for Nurses has increased over 50% in the last 10 years. Average Nurse salaries rose to £27K in 2006 exclusive of a 20% London allowance for Nurses working in the capital. Factor in the pension etc and Nurses now earn nearly 50% more than the median private sector worker - so by no means underpaid.
Like most NHS workers, it's also wrong to assert that Nurses do longer hours than most workers. The ONS reports average hours of 36 hours a week compared to 37.5 in the private sector.
To summarise, your claim that Nurses work for longer hours and for shite money is nonsense.
[b]TUBE LINE UPDATES
Northern Line - good service
District Line - Trains from Wimbledon to High Street Kensington
Jubilee Line - Trains from Stanmore to Neasden; Waterloo to Stratford
Metropolitan Line - Trains from Wembley Park to Baker Street
Piccadilly Line - Trains from Arnos Grove to Cockfosters
Victoria Line - Trains from Seven sisters to Victoria
Bakerloo Line - Trains from Queen's Park to Paddington
Central Line - Liverpool Street to Epping and Hainault; White City to Ruislip and Ealing Broadway
Circle Line - suspended
Hammersmith and City Line - Trains from Baker Street to Hammersmith
Waterloo and City - suspended
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Farmer Giles: spout figures all you want. The reality is that Nurses do a darn sight more than most people, and get paid relatively poorly.
Why don't they deserve £40 or 50k?
'Nurses earn 50% more than the median private sector worker'
And they're doing a 500% more valuable job...
Oh, and your figures seem to conflict with the [url= http://www.nhscareers.nhs.uk/details/Default.aspx?Id=4 ]NHS'[/url]...
And they're doing a 500% more valuable job...
Ah another GCSE-standard debating arguement.
For the sake of argument Rudeboy, what do you consider to be the optimal percentage of GDP that the state should account for?
I only ask because I foresee a budget problem developing when everyone being paid by the state is being paid more than anyone in the "greed sector". 🙂
I only ask because I foresee a budget problem developing when everyone being paid by the state is being paid more than anyone in the "greed sector"
Did I say 'everyone'? Did I?
No, I din't.
There is a place for the greed sector. I'm not denying that. But there should be more recognition and reward for those who do socially valuable jobs such as nursing, woon't you agree?
So RB, how much??
Who decides which line of work is 'socially valuable'?
I don't know; what are you asking me for? Ask one of the economists like BigDummy or Stoner or whoever. They can tell you.
BD; I'm sure it's not that simple, and i'm being idealistic. But I'm sure a system could be developed, whereby people can still have nice cars and houses and bottles of wine, just that more people copuld have that.
Would mean that some might have to sell their luxury apartments in Monaco, a couple of Ferraris, the private jets, etc...