https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-54026453
So, a customer who looked quite young was asked for ID by the barman and the photo on the ID didn't look like the person who was ordering the drink, so they refused to serve them alcohol. Somehow that is turned into transphobia?
Imagine the uproar if the customer had been underage, but was served alcohol.
Strange world we live in....
Imagine the uproar if the customer had been underage, but was served alcohol.
It was a Wetherspoons, I think it's compulsory to include an underage drinker in your party.
What is the point of a photo on photo ID?
(Though I sometime have a beard and sometimes not, I've never been queried about it).
Photo didn’t match the appearance of the holder, they were right to refuse service.
There used to be a guy who got on the bus in a western fife town, he had 2 bus passes, one for when he was dressed like a man, and one for when he was dressed like a woman.
she left Wetherspoons on Tuesday in tears after being told she would not be served
I got this far, then realised I didn't care. I got turned away from a pub in Portsmouth once cos I was wearing trainers. I didn't cry, I just went somewhere else.
I got turned away from a pub in Portsmouth once cos I was wearing trainers. I didn’t cry, I just went somewhere else.
Somewhere that wasn't Portsmouth. Wise.
'He has either never been to Umm Qasr or he's never been to Southampton. There's no beer, no prostitutes and people are shooting at us. It's more like Portsmouth.'
A British soldiers reaction to a claim by Defence Secretary Geoff Hoon that the port of Umm Qasr is 'like the city of Southampton.'
I would need to see the photoID to have an opinion. If she looks much the same, but without a blonde wig… I’d be pissed for her… people change their hair and slap on makeup, or grow a beard, all the time. If you really can’t tell it’s the same person from the photo, then that’s different.
I didn’t cry, I just went somewhere else.
Why you were turned away seems key here.
I left the house the other morning and a guy in a dress was strolling past....
Each to their own and that, but I thought he really needed to try harder and put a bit more effort in.
I’m sure you were looking ready to walk straight onto a catwalk.
I would need to see the photoID to have an opinion. If she looks much the same, but without a blonde wig… I’d be pissed for her… people change their hair and slap on makeup, or grow a beard, all the time. If you can’t tell it’s the same person from the photo, then that’s different.
The question is - why would the staff at Wetherspoons turn this person away? Either (a) they are transphobic, (b) they weren't convinced it was the same person as the photo looked nothing like them, or (c) something else we're not being told. IMHO if they were spending money and were obviously old enough to buy drinks then I tend to doubt that (a) was the reason.
I got turned away from a pub in Portsmouth once cos I was wearing trainers
should that say wasN'T ?
then I tend to doubt that (a) was the reason
Well, I can certainly believe that she felt that was the reason, and so feel for her whatever happened. I’m not going to jump on attacking the staff without seeing the photoID though.
Somewhere that wasn’t Portsmouth. Wise.
We know where he’d have ended up if he was really wise.
Anyone who has worked in a retail environment where age restricted products are sold will know what a tricky area ID verification is
Responsible retailers (and I include licenced premises) drum into staff the importance of valid age ID and many carry out random undercover checks. Staff can be disciplined for failure to age verify
In this case we haven't seen the ID in question but the default position has to be that if there is any doubt, purchase of restricted items has to be refused
Somehow that is turned into transphobia?
That wasn’t mentioned in the article.
The fact it’s ‘news’ is because trans issues are redrags/clickbait. +1 million snowflakes will now go into utter frothing meltdown all over the interwebs, claiming that all transexuals and lefties are literally canceling barmen.
Result: Actual transphobia will now increase because a trans-person was reported as feeling ‘upset‘.
The mass-outrage-potential for the ‘anti-PC’ crowd is a cash-cow that keeps on giving. A tweet is usually all it takes to get snowflake-bait to be a snowball to be an avalanche
I left the house the other morning and a guy in a dress was strolling past….
Each to their own and that, but I thought he really needed to try harder and put a bit more effort in.
Portsmouth right?
Am no fan of Wetherspoons, but they've offered Ms Galloway an unreserved apology and the pub will be reviewing it's ID policies.
As outcomes go, that one's pretty positive I guess.
Eugh where the chef spits in food and the staff are rude jobsworths.
F spoons - anyway half the folk working there are inbred muppets
never needed ID from the age of 14... this is because i look like Uncle Festers evil twin...
Turning someone away from Wetherspoons is doing them a favour - COVID-ridden cesspits full of gammons.
Anyone getting turned away from a Wetherspoons is impressive, ime it's the place you go to when nowhere else will let you in
That said I'm struggling massively to be outraged at the outrage here
It's an undeniable fact of life that bouncers are dicks on a powertrip
It’s an undeniable fact of life that bouncers are dicks on a powertrip
The door staff let her in, it was the bar staff that wouldn't accept her ID.
When asked to prove she was over 18 on entering the pub, the 19-year-old showed her passport and explained to the person on the door that she was trans.
They accepted her passport as proof of her age and the group entered the pub.
It’s an undeniable fact of life that bouncers are dicks on a powertrip
Eh? You didn't read the non-story.
Or do you just have a general hatred for bouncers and needed to express it?
It’s an undeniable fact of life that bouncers are dicks on a powertrip
Absolutely..
However in this case I read it that they were already in pub, and it was bar person who refused drinks..
Read the report before judging with your comments. She offered to remove her wig to barman and manager, neither of whom were prepared to accept despite already explaining and been accepted by the door staff.
DezB My son is trans, faces this all the time. Yes, you do need a thick skin but to compare being continually stared at, questioned, snide remarks, etc to being turned away for wearing trainers with "and I didn't cry about it" is pretty poor.
Or do you just have a general hatred for bouncers and needed to express it?
A combo of carrying a chip on my shoulder for being denied entry to bars/pubs/clubs 20 odd years ago 😜
And having known a few, every one of the ones I knew at least, messed themselves up over drugs & violence.paeticular instance that stands out was having to hide the beaten girlfriend of a guy I'd considered a mate, while he tried to kick the door to get her.
I'm sure there are decent ones , I just never met any.
should that say wasN’T ?
No, you sir, are showing a lack of knowledge of shitty towns with petty door policies there.
We know where he’d have ended up if he was really wise
"We" being "you". Cos nobody else got that.
CFH, to whom I was replying, will get it.
anyway half the folk working there are inbred muppets
Really? Or are they just normal people like you* and I?
*Or are you a special kind of person?
Turning someone away from Wetherspoons is doing them a favour – COVID-ridden cesspits full of gammons.
Funny, nobody in the ‘spoons in our town centre struck me as being like that, plus the place had pretty good C19 processes in place when I went there for lunch a month or so back.
It may be a more accurate reflection of where you live, though...
I’m sure there are decent ones , I just never met any.
I could introduce you to Donna, who does security on our storage site, and who also does doors at a number of venues/pubs/clubs in the area - your description better fits some of the staff she has to work with, from what she’s told me. Still, it’s always easier to fall back on the usual stereotype, isn’t it.
Edited - great to see a story about potential prejudice throws up so many remarks displaying potential prejudice.
Turning someone away from Wetherspoons is doing them a favour – COVID-ridden cesspits full of gammons.
Yep, that's the real story, why was a young person trying to get into Weatherspoons. Education really is failing them
Yep, that’s the real story, why was a young person trying to get into Weatherspoons. Education really is failing them
On the contrary, I imagine they used their maths education to work out the age-old teenager's alcohol divided by cost quotient and came up with Weatherspoons.
Blimey, such prejudice! Despite the boss, that Wetherspoons is a really very nice one. I spent a fun time in there getting pleasantly oiled on an student quiz night (they were indeed very educated) whilst my mrs was at a conference at the university. I got invited to join a team (very inclusive given my apparently processed porcine age-status on here). They were sharp, friendly and funny people. These situations are almost designed to cause confusion (not having the right ID, not looking like your ID, only just inside the legal age limit, maybe a bit of enhanced upset) so the gatekeepers act conservatively to protect their job and the licence. All I can say is, 'I scream, you scream, we all scream for ice cream!'
When the air clears, I'd certainly go back and I'm sure they'd let me and anyone else in, old, young, kilt, skirt, ball gown, no problem, they like your money. They'll be selling rainbow pints and crisps next, if they're not already.
As she had her passport with her as a proof of age then it would have been easy to give her a pen and paper and got her to sign her name . Then if the signatures match give her a drink and the whole non story goes away .
All you wetherspoons fans desperate to prove your salt of the earth credentials might want to take a look at who owns the company and some of his public utterings.
Blimey, such prejudice!
Hardly prejudice, when
Despite the boss
Turned away from Wetherspoons?
Bullet dodged for the young'un.
to give her a pen and paper and got her to sign her name .
Erm cos photo I'D! I'd like to see this play out at an airport. Sometimes it's not about your personal rights, it's about the practicalities of how our society works. Anyway non story, very clickbait, and we've all fallen for it.
Can someone find me someone who owns a chain or a brewery who isn't a deeply unpleasant rapacious money grabber? Word was that a big real ale brewer of south London used to support the NF, the Guinness family have an interesting history, there's that piece of work at Wetherspoons. Whatever their personal attributes, they're all in it for money. I wouldn't bother wasting time looking for the cuddly capitalist, you'd never get a pint.
Erm cos photo I’D! I’d like to see this play out at an airport.
There's a rather large difference between letting somebody travel on an aeroplane and selling somebody an alcoholic drink . As she had her passport with her which has a photo and a signature then a matching signature done in front of the staff would prove that the passport belonged to her unless the photo was undeniably somebody else.
There’s a rather large difference between letting somebody travel on an aeroplane and selling somebody an alcoholic drink .
There is. But if you’re a worker in a pub and are likely to face consequences for serving someone under-age then you may decide it’s not a chance you want to take. You’d rather not serve someone of age then serve someone under-age. You’ll be told to err on the side of caution.
I feel sorry for the person involved, but don’t think the staff at ‘Spoons are to blame.
I get that .
Reported that she offered to both barman and manager to remove her wig so she'd look (more) like her passport photo, but both refused.
I get that equality cuts both ways and a cis person of debatable age and with a debatable ID would likely also be refused, but when it's been explained I'd hope for a degree of sensitivity and allowance to be made.
It is a bit of a non-story, it's been badly handled and Wetherspoons staff are apparently going to be better advised for the future which is a good outcome. The responses of some on here - to her and to Wetherspoons and their clientele - that's a bigger issue for me.
