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I have been following iDave for about two weeks.
Like Jamie, prior to starting iDave, I ate very little pasta, potato, rice or bread.
I have also increased the amount of exercise I do in the last few weeks. I have also been doing "fasting" based exercise, i.e. 2hr + early morning rides on an empty stomach and without taking on any carbs during the ride. These have been easier than I thought.
However, like Jamie, I have lost very little "weight", i.e. approx only 2lbs.
On the plus side I feel much healthier, am definitely a bit slimmer and am generally sleeping better.
I have also been reading Diet Delusion and am quite shocked by the lack of hard evidence in support of a low fat/carb based diet.
I can see no place for bread/processed carbs in a nutrituous diet. No matter how good is tastes.
Regarding the Mediterranean diet. I lived in Southern France for 2 years about 10 years ago. I ate exactly what the locals ate, exercised more than them and put on weight and returned home to England less healthy than I went, thanks to catching Toxaplasmosis, which is pretty common in France due to all the undercooked meat they eat. (And apparently explains why they drive like idiots, but thats another story).
So clearly the Meditteranean didnt work for me. I'm sure a lot of it must be due to genetics.
Being descended from Northern Europe people (i.e. a cold climate) my body is probably adapated to storing fat to survive, whilst those of Mediterranean descent are obviously better adapated to the climate and foods in that region and dont need to store so much fat.
Despite the lack of weight loss, I feel so much better for cutting out the minimal amount of processed carbs I was eating and all the lean meat, fish and pulses that I am now eating.
I havent a clue whether its 4-2-1 or 4-3-3 or whatever. But I feel much healthier for not eating pasta, potato, rice or bread. So am going to continue that way.
Ian - my mates got a load of fish food boilies that are rotting in the back of his van??
Edit: They're crab, cranberry and skunk flavoured if it makes a difference.
They'd be perfect too!
In fact why not take them and a bait catapult on the sportive and spread the health eating message to your fellow cyclists!?
So can I have a cream egg for elevenses?
So can I have a cream egg for elevenses?
As long as you don't butter your soldiers.
So can I have a cream egg for elevenses?
As long as you don't butter your soldiers.
*Packs up bat and ball and heads for home
Jamie, you're not meant to eat tons of meat. You're meant to eat lots of veg and beans. And go easy on the nuts - I snacked on nuts a lot at first and it wiped out any fat loss. Limit yourself to about 50g a day or something.
It will probably work, you just need to find out how to make it work for you.
I now think that breakfast is the most important bit. If you have some fast carbs in the morning it writes off the whole day it seems. However if do well at breakfast then I can cheat a bit later in the day and it doesn't have much of an effect.
Mol - I do love it when you give out iDiet advice 🙂
Was the run you did continuous?
Wtf you talking about yeti?
In other news, 23m09 for 5k last night, disappointed as I felt good at first but my knees ended up hurting still
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Have you been doing any single leg bodyweight exercises?
Calm down Grips.
Remember, this is TSY's wind-up thread.
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[i]I now think that breakfast is the most important bit. If you have some fast carbs in the morning it writes off the whole day it seems[/i]
Aye, theres something in that.
You've sleep through the night and your body is running mostly on reserves, fat.
It will continue to do this, until you eat.
Eat something sugary and the insulin response will lock-out access to fat for fuel and you will use the sugar you've eaten, with excess going off to be stored as fat....
Eat something low GI, then there will be a minimal insulin response and your body will continue to run mostly on fat and the food you've eaten.
You will feel full for longer into the morning, probably get you to lunch time.
Solo - what happens if you add in an hour or so of exercise prior to eating?
[i]I can see no place for bread/processed carbs in a nutrituous diet. No matter how good is tastes[/i]
Oh please..If you're going down the food is just fuel thing, then you've just become weird. I make all sorts of food, and if I want rice or pasta or bread or ice cream or chocolate tart or ANYTHING, then I eat it.
emsz - sometimes you eat nothing at all though? Is that right?
Yep, but that's because if I'm not hungry I won't eat, haven't had anything so far today, not really hungry still.
(have just got up though 😳 )
But haven't you mentioned in the past that sometimes you restrict calories/eating on purpose? I was under the impression that you're border line eating disorder, or certainly disordered eating?
In which case, I'd encourage you to ignore every single bit of writing by us chunksters and get on with eating.
it's good to go hungry sometimes, going hungry feeds the soul 😉
I don't know how many times I can read the same people saying the same things over and over and over and over.....
....but I'll let you know when I find out.
Here goes !.
[i]I looked at idiet and decided it wasnt for me [b]as I am not a pro athlete[/b] and I like my food, plus I simply do not have the time to cook what is needed.
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iDiet was not aimed at Pro / Elite Athletes.
iDave handed out his advise to help portly, desk bound, Engineers like me and IT Bods ( ie. Stereotypical STW forumites ) to trim down.
[b]This is an important point to bare in mind[/b]
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[i]Odly I am currently loosing weight without dieting or using a diet of any sort and still get to eat lots of yummy stuff. Oh and I feel great too.[/i]
Whatever you are eating [b]is[/b] your diet.
[i]I think if I was a pro athlete I would take a more scientific approach, but I am not, and want to enjoy life, so for now will continue to eat what I like (in moderation) and exercise[/i]
[u]iDave diet is not specifically designed for Pro Ahtletes[/u]
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[i]Thats not to say some of the stuff above isn't interesting, but because I'm not a pro athlete thers more to life for me. [/i]
I'm not sure Pro Ahtletes are miserable or missing out on life.
But then again, they've probably hired a good Coach and are exercising and eating according to a modern, well informed, specifically tailored plan, designed for them...Not the iDiet
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[i]I also tried it for 2 weeks, ending last Friday.[/i]
[i]Stuck to it religiously[/i]
Accept... that its suggested you give it 3 weeks.
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[i]Jamie - try carb depleted exercise.[/i]
Is that possible ??.
[i]What, so we compare poo or something before the ride?[/i]
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[i]On the plus side I feel much healthier, am definitely a bit slimmer and am generally sleeping better[/i]
[i]I can see no place for bread/processed carbs in a nutrituous diet. No matter how good is tastes.[/i]
Me too !.
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[i]Solo - what happens if you add in an hour or so of exercise prior to eating?[/i]
My reading has indicated that low to moderate intensity exercise will be fuelled by your reserves, mostly body fat.
What do you think TSY ?
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It's great ain't it... I start these threads to talk the same rubbish with the same people.
Although I am searching for a new star... sort of an X-Factor of STW... Solo's come along way. Fingers crossed he's drafted out a huge poem.
Some people have definitely got potential...
Yeti,
Yeah OK, a bit I suppose, and I'm concious of how much I eat, but I wouldn't not have something in my diet becuase it has "no nutritional value" I want to eat nice things, and I make nice bread! LOL.
Eating toast now and huge mug of tea...yummmy
So Molgrips calls me a tit in addition to prick and pillock while adding nothing as usual. Solo attempts sarcasm in an attempt to belittle. iDave accuses me of being incapable of changing my mind whilst refusing to consider changing his.
Gluten then:
Symptoms of a Gluten Allergy
Upper repository tract problems (sustains, glue ear)
Fatigue
Chronic fatigue syndrome
Mouth ulcers
Anaemia
Iron-deficiency anaemia
Osteoporosis
Weight loss
Short stature in children
Diarrhoea
Constipation
Abdominal bloating
Crohn’s disease
Diverticulitis
Depression
Attention and behavioral problems (in children and adults)
Autism
Skin problems
Keratosis pilaris
Asthma
Irritability
Wheat-Dependent Exercise-Induced Anaphylaxis
Well I have none of those but can tick two on the list for pulses (which doesn't stop me eating them from time to time). Most people don't have gluten alergy , or diabetes or a nut alegy or... .
See, thanks Solo.
My thoughts are that as long as the intensity of the exercise is high it gets you leaner... you can push for 80+% of your max HR and you'll lose weight if you ride hungry in the morning.
What about my question regarding the definitive Paleo text?
Emsz - I love bread too... could you serve me up some hot buns one day?
Well, this is all very predictable.
Anyway:
Sorry, I meant I have tried carb depletion exercise in the past for 2 weeks, as opposed to the 2 weeks last week. If you get my drift. Was on iPhone earlier, and think I managed to delete half a sentence .
Oddly enough I can't find out what the specifics of the iDave Diet are by searching the forum. All I can find are many many threads with people arguing about it.
Can someone point me in the right direction or, to save me reading it, tell me if there is any difference between that and the type of weight loss program described in 'Racing Weight Quick Start Guide' by Matt Fitzgerald?
LOL @ Bruce - there is actually no such thing as the iDave diet, you should now have access to the other forum though.
Ed.
Another selective response to the points I've posted.
This time you've selected Gluten, but ignored Phytate and Lectins................
Is not your selective posting equally insulting ?.
Like you take this superior stance towards us, you assuming that you can tell us how it really is, and that we're too dumb to have a valid, if contradictory opinion, to the Edukator.
You have consistently ignored the info and links I have posted.
This is not a mistake or oversight on your behalf.
Just look at the pseudo name you have selected for yourself.
Hardly a good start is it.
You're here to Edukate me, but if I ask you a question about, for example, phytate in your much loved bread.
You ignore this.
Therefore, as far as I'm concerned.
You have no currency here.
You're just trolling.
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Solo - "Whatever you are eating is your diet."
Well done correct. However , I eat pretty much what I want, when I want. I havent had to change my eating habbits or lifestyle (ie spending more time cooking etc)
Diets are things where people generally follow a strict regieme, different to normal eating habbits, and most people who follow diets tend to revert to poor eating habbits after a period of time and put weight back on.
I considered doing the iDiet (more as people were saying they felt so much better on it) and was forwarded the original pdf info. I looked at it and thought it wasn't possible with my lifestlye, and that I would miss eating nice food.
I think its great that some one has shared their knowledge for free and I think its great that so many people are benefiting from it, but if its meant for avg Joe, are people loosing weight because they are not eating so much sh!t as they were before, and they could easily have acheived weight loss by cutting out the McDonalds meal anyhow? Diets are good because they force people to change habit (on a temporary basis) but then they tend to go back to their lardy ways.
LOL @ Bruce - there is actually no such thing as the iDave diet, you should now have access to the other forum though.
"You never knew. That was his power. The greatest trick iDave ever pulled was convincing the world his diet existed. And like that, poof. Beanz."
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[i]My thoughts are that as long as the intensity of the exercise is high it gets you leaner[/i]
I'm not saying that.
High intensity exercise on an empty stomach isn't what I'd undertake.
LOL @ Bruce - there is actually no such thing as the iDave diet, you should now have access to the other forum though.
You mean all these arguments are about nothing?
Don't you people have jobs?
See I'm interested in all this stuff, I just wish the conversation was easier to follow. There seem to be a handful of people with a lot of history who assume we've read everything they've written, which I haven't. You're putting the rest of us off you know 🙂
It is what I'd do though 🙂
home made baked beans, with a grilled chicken breast for brekkie.
2 fillets of steamed fish, with a large portion of garden pea's for lunch.
salmon fillet with roast peppers, garlic, onion, broccoli, parsnip and toms for tea.
i feel worse every day........ 😆
Sorry Stever... what do you want to know?
Do you want me to write a iCharacter guide?
Solo - I just read some stuff on phytic acid? I don't see the problem?
home made baked beans, with a grilled chicken breast for brekkie.
2 fillets of steamed fish, with a large portion of garden pea's for lunch.
salmon fillet with roast peppers, garlic, onion, broccoli, parsnip and toms for tea.i feel worse every day........
No-one likes a smuggins, Ton.
*ducks fish pie*
To lose 2.3 kilograms you need to burn 16 000 calories worth of body fat. A calorie deficit of over 2000 calories a day is a lot especially for a sedentary person (an hour on a home trainer is negligible). I suggest the weight loss came from different levels of hydration and bowel content.
I haven't accused anyone of being dumb and have remained civil despite the insults. As for my pseudo, objecting to it demonstrates you're looking for any excuse to attack me rather than enter into debate. We obviously don't have the same cultural references:
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Ton - thas comendable, but how long did it take you to prep your breakfast?
ie Beans have to solk for 24hrs, then you have to make the source. A chicken takes about 1.5hrs to cook in the oven.
I have 30 mins in the morning to do everything, let alone cooking a meal...
[i]Diets are things where people generally follow a strict regieme, different to normal eating habbits, and most people who follow diets tend to revert to poor eating habbits after a period of time and put weight back on.[/i]
You are refering to the marketing men's definition of [i]Diet[/i]
[i]Diet[/i] is actually the history of what you have eaten and continue to eat.
[i]Diets are good because they force people to change habit (on a temporary basis) but then they tend to go back to their lardy ways.[/i]
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What you mean by [i]Diet[/i] and we are discussing are two different things dude.
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so TSY.. what ya training for? getting buff? marathons?
Seems like you're doing 400 hours a week of intense exercise. gym work.. swimming before work
so TSY.. what ya training for? getting buff? marathons?
He has a race coming up against Molgrips, I think.
Triathlon. Need to bite the bullet and get by BCU race licence too.
[i]you're looking for any excuse to attack me rather than enter into debate[/i]
Another dodge by the Edukator.
How can I enter into a debate with you if you do not answer or respond to the points I raise ?.
I find your continued avoidance of the points I raise, insulting.
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All here can now see your selective responses.
What you choose and what you do not choose to discuss....
I'm assuming TSY is extremely buff with his sub 10% bodyfat and super fast with all his training. 😀
I vote Ton for iDave masterchef, or how about an iDave come dine with me..... 🙂