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tricky... unfortunately, and in defiance of STW tradition, yeti is extremely buff and super fast.
i managed to keep up with him on our last ride together though. so he might be slipping....
[i]I vote Ton for iDave masterchef, or how about an iDave come dine with me.....[/i]
Plus 1 for Ton.
Ton.
Your getting far too good at this good food stuff.
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whatever that image is my university is blocking it! It's not you with your top again, is it Edukator?
funkydunc, beans were made at the weekend in 1 big batch, and it takes 10mins to grill the chicken on the formby....... 8)
It's OK, I found it myself. Thanks for the help everyone.
Jamie.
You're pulling all that out of your ass ??.
No wonder iDiet didn't work for you.
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If I don't reply it could be that I recognise the value of the research you quote but consider it a minor factor that might concern some people but isn't worth worrying about for the vast majority of people, Solo. For almost every food you can find research to indicate there are negatives. You didn't reply to link I posted about the negatives of a high protein diet, I'm not insulted. Look at the amount of insult and provocation thrown at me on this thread (now that's trolling not posting opinions) I don't do page long Junkyard style disecting defences.
[i]Look at the amount of insult and provocation thrown at me on this [/i]
And then ask yourself what you could have done differently.
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Bit confused about how red wine can be included as a No Calories drink.
Is this still the right place to ask these kind of questions?
I could have called people names, been sarcastic or condescending, Solo, I didn't. I think just presenting an alternative view using simple straghtforward English is better.
"iDave accuses me of being incapable of changing my mind whilst refusing to consider changing his."
Hmm. But I already changed my view, several years ago, from your bread and pasta free-for-all. In fact I've changed my views this week on some nutrition and performance strategies, based on evidence presented by people better qualified than I.
So, simple question for you Edukator. Could it be 'possible' that your views are incorrect? Not saying they are, asking if they 'could' be? Yes or no is fine.
Edukator......you put the fear of god into me, saying that the food i eat will send me to a early grave with a horrible illness..... 😉
Is there another thread where I can ask questions?
Its funny how cyclists always end up talking about food....
[i]I could have called people names, been sarcastic or condescending, Solo, I didn't. I think just presenting an alternative view using simple straghtforward English is better[/i]
I'd expect nothing less than for you to try to paint yourself whiter than white.
But dismissing info, and insisting that your information, although outdated.
Is the only true way.
Is insulting.
I do not contest that you can lose and maintain a weight on your diet [b]combined[/b] with your level of activity.
But there are alternatives which appear to take into account more recent observations made in science.
Has not our understanding of geology changed over time, with advancements in discovery and technology used to observe and measrue ?.
So why hasn't understanding of diet moved on since that employed to advise the French olympic team ?.
Ok, thats enough.
all sides are entrenched in their view, with little prospect of change or agreement.
I do not think I can give anymore, here.
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Edukator - Member
For almost every food you can find research to indicate there are negatives.You didn't reply to link I posted about the negatives of a high protein diet...
ummm....
Brucewee, my email address is in my profile feel free to email me questions and I will [i]try [/i]to help, you won't get a straight answer on here. I'm losing weight and feeling healthier on the iDiet.
Many thanks to iDave for sharing his knowledge, I for one am truly grateful!
I feel kind of like a kid who is jumping up and down trying to get attention while the adults are arguing and I'm a bit worried that suddenly everyone is going to turn round and shout at me but...
Could someone please answer a couple of questions?
Edit: Thanks Clobber, email on the way.
I've changed my views over the years too, iDave, like you I'm presenting my current view, and listening and learning.
I'm a geologist, what I consider the current best fit hypothesis is always being tested and challenged. Givng yes or no answers to complex questions isn't a good idea, especially when they're posed by man with black and white views on the colourful issue of nutrition. I think diets that ban this or that and promote extremes are counter productive. I think banning grains, pasta, bread ... is counterproductive both for endurance athletes and for someone intending to lose weight sustainably.
I'm presenting an alternative view on nutrition to your own, iDave. You are the one getting annoyed and demanding yes/no answers.
I've tried to be quiet on here but.... Edukator, it's not a high protein diet, you are missing the very basics, you must be trolling...
So Molgrips calls me a tit in addition to prick and pillock while adding nothing as usual.
I have added lots. In fact I am commenting on every single one of these damn threads with tips, points of view and suggestions, and I also ask leading questions. I do not offer concrete answers much because I do not believe that I have them.
When I call you names it is descriptive of the way in which you are behaving. You are rubbishing someone else's knowledge and experience whilst having little of your own. That is the act of a pillock, I'm afraid.
As for gluten - the theory here is that whilst most people do not have a severe actute reaction to it, it is not particularly good for you and can cause subtle low-grade detrimental effects to health. I used to eat loads of it and I was absolutely sure I never had a problem. I thought all the people who cut out bread and reported feeling much better were just imagining it. However, since eating very little on the iDiet I notice that when I do eat bread, I feel a little more lethargic and bloated. There are innumerable people on the internet reporting the same thing, incidentally.
Re high protein - the diet is not specifically high protein. You eat the same amount of meat as normal, and typically the beans you eat end up replacing the meat anyway. I mostly eat meat+2 veg but minus the potatoes and with more veg. I can't see how this is a high protein diet, to be honest.
Is that adding enough for you? Can you please accept that it is not a high protein diet?
Again, it is not your views on diet I have a problem with, it is your ignorant attitude.
Solo, I've also linked the medierranean diet and suggested using it in conjunction with 4-2-1, I've mentioned trying the paleodiet myself and its negative influence on my performance. I've mentioned using the dissociated Swedish pre-race diet with mixed results.
Why should'nt I promote a diet that the Etude de Lyon has shown to have a positive influence on cardio-vascular health and reduced cancer risk: the mediterranean diet. There is no one mediterranean diet but variations based on regional culture and resources. Combining ideas from the mediterranean diet with proportions of carbs that worked well for athletes when the pharma repetoire was more limited is hardly an extreme view. Less extreme than banning foodstuffs which the majority of the population, athletes or not, can eat without problem.
I'm presenting an alternative view to iDave, Molgrips. That seems to make you angry and aggressive given your posts. So you call me a pillock again, feel bigger for it? Would you call me a tit/prick/pillock to my face? I suspect you would so it's just as well this is on the Net and there are 9° of latitude between us.
I think banning grains, pasta, bread ... is counterproductive both for endurance athletes and for someone intending to lose weight sustainably.
but if you read the idiet the aren't banned entirely
I'm presenting an alternative view to iDave, Molgrips.
In the same way that drum brakes are an alternative to disc brakes, no?
Where's the progress?
the mediterranean diet is very good,Edukator talks sense.
True disco, what idave actually said on the other thread:
'm against generous amounts of grains, pasta, rice, potatoes etc. Yeah. Very much so.
It would be useful if IDave posted up his diet so we didn't have to rely on second-hand information gleaned from the various users over various threads over the months. Are they allowed on the "rest day" or every day. I had the impression they are banned most of the time. Of couse posting the iDave diet up would give us concrete information to go on but I don't think iDave wants that.
DIY time as it's raining.
edit: I think the main thing is that you're doing something about your weight, Ton and if iDave is a motivator then it's positive. You might find there are element in the mediterranean diet that fit in with iDave's ideas. Olive oil is an obvious one, the vegetables are already there though I prefer the fuit alternative.
I'm presenting an alternative view to iDave, Molgrips. That seems to make you angry and aggressive given your posts
It's the way you are doing it, Edukator, and the way you are ignoring other evidence and experience. That always winds me up.
I've tried both your way and iDave's way of eating. For me, and many others, there is a significant difference. And don't try and write it off by telling me it's just calorie reduction and I'm too dim to have noticed.
It would be useful if IDave posted up his diet
Are you having a laugh? There's at least two threads a month where the exact diet plan is posted up.
I'll have alook see if I have it.
It's just calorie reduction, Molgrips. I don't think you've ever eaten the way I do. You wouldn't have got to 85kg if you had.
I'll have alook see if I have it.
LOL! That's like a Bishop saying 'Yes, I might have a bible somewhere'...
Of couse posting the iDave diet up would give us concrete information to go on but I don't think iDave wants that.
it gets posted up all the time!. even on this thread (page 6)
also read the 4 hour body for the science behind a lot of it
Molgrips. I don't think you've ever eaten the way I do. You wouldn't have got to 85kg if you had
W T F?
You've got absolutely no idea, if you say stuff like that.
Are you saying that if two people ate the exact same food they'd end up the exact same weight? You don't even know how tall I am do you?
Blooming hell lads,
I thought the religous threads get a bit punchy... but they are nothing compaired to you lot getting worked up over potatoes.
Really guys chill out... I think TSY has had his fair share of entertainment now.
"Training and Diet"
I think you need the Kenyan diet n'est ce pas ?
I notice that when I do eat bread, I feel a little more lethargic and bloated.
I have to report the opposite.
Tricky - I've no idea what my BF% is, I don't even think I'm that fast. I'm especially shit at swimming.
I love it though. Absolutely love it.
I think TSY has had his fair share of entertainment now.
Who made you God Ro5ey??
I love it though. Absolutely love it.
Freak.
Hey TSY ... re swimming
When I was down the pool watching my 4 year old having a lesson, (sadly the main pool is closed, otherwise I'd have been in there) I came upon the swimming club notice board. On which, was a table for the qualifying times juniors had to get to be able to race in the eastern area finals.
The qualifying time for 1500m at 10 years old … that’s 10 years…. was….. 20:34 !!!!
Ro5ey - when did you become the Devil?
It's properly mental... I'm going to get some 1-2-1 training me thinks.
MOlly - I'd argue that it was you who is mental if you don't love it?
What's the point if you don't? Vanity?
1-2-1 training ??
What with a dolphin?
That would seem fit for porpoise.