What exactly do you have to do to get sacked from this Tory cabinet?Jeremy Hunt - still in a job
This arsehole - still in jobThe mind boggles.
Sacking them would highlight and call into question callmedave's complete lack of judgement,so it probably won't happen.
The expanse of this arrogant bully’s ego and bloated sense of importance is astonishing. Frothing because he wasn’t allowed to egress via the main gate ... and to add to the ridiculousness of it, doing so whilst on his nan’s bike? Where’s his sense of proportion - that’s what I find worrying.
Can the disconnect between politicians and the people get any wider? As Ernie Lynch said “very strange times” - indeed Ernie, I agree. To whom do we turn for Christ sake? What’s the alternative? That’s why I feel so despondent - the lack of any MP’s with integrity and something about them, as opposed to the constant, endless stream of nest featherers and sycophants selling this country down the river for their own vested interests.
Sacking them would highlight and call into question callmedave's complete lack of judgement
Not at all. If Cameron had said "I'm not having a muppet like you who can't take a simple instruction from a police officer responsible for security, without publicly losing it and ranting and swearing, in charge of the parliamentary Conservative Party's discipline" it wouldn't have called into question Cameron's judgement. Failing to sack him is what has called into question his judgement
I see he was the instigator of Project Umubano - some kind of modern day Livingstone offering salvation through the gospel of neo liberalism.
Imperialism never really died did it, just changed it's m.o a little.
At least he didn't call the officer a bigot 🙂
Not at all. If Cameron had said "I'm not having a muppet like you who can't take a simple instruction from a police officer responsible for security, without publicly losing it and ranting and swearing, in charge of the parliamentary Conservative Party's discipline" it wouldn't have called into question Cameron's judgement. Failing to sack him is what has called into question his judgement
^^This 100%. Bearing in mind the political commentary about the right of the party starting to tug his strings more and more, a clear demonstration of what is acceptable would have, at the very least, been good pr. For an ex pr guy I am amazed it passed him by, perhaps that is why he became and MP and left pr?
well it might not go away yet, hes now admitted he swore but didnt say pleb
if labour get their way theyll have a lip reading expert examining the cctv
[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/andrew-mitchell-denies-calling-pc-a-pleb-8166963.html ]Shadow home secretary Yvette Cooper has written to Cabinet Secretary Sir Jeremy Heywood asking for Mr Mitchell and the officers involved to be interviewed, statements to be reviewed and an examination of CCTV footage.[/url]
Is it just me, or did the "I want to make it absolutely clear that I did not use the words that have been attributed to me." statement have more than a whiff of the Bill Clinton "I did not have relations with that woman" one?
ie: Someone choosing the exact words they use, very very carefully indeed, as they're lying through their arse
Hopefully, there will be some enterprising journalists out there finding stories of cases where "plebs" have been charged and prosecuted for "abusing" police officers.
According to the Telegraph :
[b][i]Police groups have refused to accept Andrew Mitchell's second apology over foul-mouthed tirade at armed officers, as David Cameron faces calls for an inquiry.
The Conservatives have been hoping the second apology would "draw a line" under the incident but this morning the furore showed signs of escalating. [/i][/b]
[url=
Mitchell: Police refuse second apology as calls for inquiry grow[/url]
And according to the Sun :
[b][i] The officer, who wrote his report for his superiors only hours after the incident, said he did so because Mr Mitchell told him: “You haven’t heard the last of this.”
The PC explained: “I write this for your information as Mr Mitchell’s last comments would appear to indicate he is unhappy with my actions.”[/i][/b]
[url=
police report shows Andrew Mitchell called PCs ‘plebs’[/url]
So apart from the swearing and the insults, I suspect that Andrew Mitchell probably now also regrets saying [b][i]“You haven’t heard the last of this”[/i][/b]
Storm in a tea cup.
Would have had no attention were it not for last week's deaths.
An inquiry would be well over the top. Not that the Tory is right, he's just being a politician.
The issue is that he swore.lied about it , half arsed apologised then lied some more
Now either the coppers are liars or he is
I agree if he had just said i was "tired and emotional" and i lost it I am very sorry then let it go- the plebs thing shows what he thinks about normal folk he has t rule over though. Who would call someone a pleb unless they have delusions of grandeur about their own social status.
However, even though they all are, we now know this one is a confirmed lieing bastard
Would have had no attention were it not for last week's deaths.
Of course it would. Last week's deaths have indeed probably increased the scrutiny on Mitchell's comments. Also it shows just how out of touch he is to have made those comments in a period where public sympathy with police is at its highest in recent years.
Storm in a tea cup.Would have had no attention were it not for last week's deaths.
An inquiry would be well over the top. Not that the Tory is right, he's just being a politician.
Yes the timing is unfortunate for him - I'm sorry though, what jobs have you done where you would you be able to swear and shout abuse at police officers in public, adamantly deny it, then change your story, and expect not to be severely disciplined if not sacked?
expect not to be severely disciplined
Well, given he went to Rugby [i]and[/i] is a Tory, he'd probably see a bit of severe discipline as a reward rather than punishment. Best just go straight to sacking.
Big Issue Seller???and expect not to be severely disciplined if not sacked?
Perhaps Mitchell was on for an urban Strava KOM ?
it's that old adage (that I swore I'd never use when I became a parent myself - yet to be seen if i stick to it)cynic-al - MemberStorm in a tea cup.
It's not what you did it's that you [i][b]lied[/b][/i] about it!
Would have had no attention were it not for last week's deaths.
It would have received less attention were it not for the fact that the alleged words were uttered from the mouth of a extremely senior politician, who happens to be a member of a political party which strongly supports zero tolerance of public order/breech of the peace offences.
And it would also have received little attention were it not for the fact that the term "pleb" betrays a contemptuous and arrogant attitude and sense of superiority towards the lower social classes, sometime which members of the government are routinely accused of, but which they strongly deny.
What exactly do you have to do to get sacked from this Tory cabinet?Jeremy Hunt - still in a job
This arsehole - still in jobThe mind boggles.
What does it take to get sacked by the electorate?
Start an illegal war - Tony Blair was voted back in
Bankrupt the country and destroy private sector pensions - Gordon Brown and Ed Balls were both re-elected
Maybe we get the politicians we deserve - if the public are happy to re-elect a war monger and a pair of economic charlatans, what hope is there for good standards amongst the rest?
well if cameron can hang on to jeremy hunt when he was blatantly caught helping out the murdochs in the middle of the levenson poostorm and then promote him to minister in charge of selling of the NHS
i suppose mitchells quite safe
You forgot to mention that Adolf Hitler was also elected Farmer_John.
Clearly Andrew Mitchell deserves to get away scott free with his public order offence, after all, he didn't start an aggressive war. Although he did vote for one, of course.
What exactly do you have to do to get sacked from this Tory cabinet?Jeremy Hunt - still in a job
This arsehole - still in jobThe mind boggles.
Too right.
We do have a new definition of PLEBS though, courtesy of UK Skills:
'People Lacking Everyday Basic Skills'
[url=
SKILLSFORLIFENETWORK.COM Am guessing the list excludes politeness and a sense of proportion.
And don't forget George, happily still in place as chancellor, despite us being well and truly back in a double-dip recession, with no foreseeable end in sight, while the deficit he's claiming to be reducing is spiralling into the clouds.
Swearing at coppers barely registers in that context
What does it take to get sacked by the electorate?
What does it take to get Farmer_John to admit that the Tories can do anything wrong at all or stop him bringing up an irrelevant point slagging off Labour?
I wonder if John Terry will try the 'Mitchell Defence' at his hearing today 😯
Just watching on the news and got dropped off for work by a VW Polo which stopped in a bus stop...what a ******* pleb!
Yes I think that was the image he was trying to convey andyl......he's not in the least bit contemptuous and arrogant, and with a false sense of superiority. He's just a regular average guy like everyone else and could not have used such a disparaging term as "pleb".
now vince cable is claiming to be a pleb!
Cable says he does not know what happened between David Cameron and Boris Johnson at Eton. Maybe a pillow fight got out of control.
He says he should not make jokes about class. But, as a mere "pleb", he could not resist it.
Maybe, just maybe the old Bill are lying, wouldn't be the first time now would it..... or are they a paragon of virtue like PC Simon harwood, the one that attacked Ian Tomlinson for no good reason.
And what are they doing leaking thier notebooks to the press..... and why did they tell him to "learn is place" as the BBC reported today
Personally I think both sides in this are arogant liars, cage fight on whitehall to settle it i think
cage fight sounds good, im sure that an old etonian bully boy would get his ass handed to him on a plate
and why did they tell him to "learn is place" as the BBC reported today
Mitchell allegedly told the coppers to "learn your place", not the other way round.
what are they doing leaking thier notebooks to the press
Well when the other side Tory Whip keeps releasing press statements [ and has his friends say how he feels] that amount to calling you a liar. You might [ or someone in the police force] might just get so annoyed they release their side of events.
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well its a good job theres nothing more important for the govt to worry about than if a copper was or was nt called a pleb.
for what its worth the mitchell guy should front up and saty yes i did call him a pleb he was being an rse and i felt it was better than calling him a planker..
cops arent all sweetness and light and they can i'm told be have a bit like planks..
I only repeat what the BBC was saying on its website at lunchtime
Pleb? Right up there with plonker and eejit in the dictionary of devastating insults. Poor copper must be traumatised. I bet his little hand was shaking as he jotted it down in his pocket book.
Government chief whip is an aggressive prat shocker. I thought that was pretty much the core skillset for chief whip?
Frankly he's is an amateur
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STATIC.GUIM.CO.UK Actually... in an interview recently, Ammando Illucinelli said he found it deeply worrying how the whips and enforcers at Westminster all professed admiration for Malcolm Tucker and a desire to be like him. Seemingly blind to the whole point being that he's a loathsome and twisted caricature
totalshell - Memberwell its a good job theres nothing more important for the govt to worry about than if a copper was or was nt called a pleb.
for what its worth the mitchell guy should front up and saty yes i did call him a pleb [s]he[/s] I was being an rse
Ammando Illucinelli
Who?
That's not even close Binners, I'm sending Tucker round to sort you out.
"Pleb" isn't the greatest insult in the world, says something about the Tory mindset though. To be honest its the snivelling, grugding, half arsed apology that rankles rather than the insult. If he had just came clean and said sorry the whole thing would have blown over.
martinhutch - MemberPleb? Right up there with plonker and eejit in the dictionary of devastating insults. Poor copper must be traumatised. I bet his little hand was shaking as he jotted it down in his pocket book.
the 2 coppers only notified their superiors because mitchels parting words were 'you havent heard the last of this'
of course they made the mistake of believing what he said, that he would actually follow up on it, when they should of realised that as a 3rd generation etonian politician that the honesty gene had long been selected out of his DNA
Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools the way to dusty death.
Out,out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more; it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
Abusing someone with the word pleb is very poor as drawing attention (allegedly) to someone's background is pretty rude and unnecessary. Bit like abusing someone as an Old Etonion Toff!!!
But AM is learning the risk/reward profiles of the different responses to being caught short.
1. Man up, admit your mistake, take the flak - embarrassing but if successful you can normally move on
2. Deny your mistake, cover up/lie - high risk, but can be successful. But if not, consequences are far more severe than option 1.
Funny how so many MPs choose option 1 which just goes to prove that if you fail to learn the lessons of history you are likely to repeat them!!
Bit like abusing someone as an Old Etonion Toff!!
Saying this lets you know what kind of person you are talking about. Calling folk posh toffs from the bulligdon club does indeed paint a picture of their likely social values/beliefs etc.
In much the same way we could say a stella drinking , jeremey kyle watching, benefit recieving layabout and again it paints a picture
The problem with plebs* is it says something about you and not about them
They choose 2 because we wont forgive them of 1 so in some respects t is out fault as an electorate.
* of curse allthe insults are "judgemental" but WhoTF calls someone a pleb and a copper at that 😯 - a stuck up pompous arse that is who.
Tend to agree with the final statement JY but not the mangled logic of the rest of the argument. You either condone people insulting others on the basis of their background/class or you do not. You seem to be happy (I assume) to abuse people for being members of the aristocratic classes but object to someone else making reference to members of the non-aristocratic classes (the meaning of pleb or plebeian). Seems like a slight wiff of double standards to me?
Anyway as Boris indicated and other highlighted on page 1, there is a Tory policy for those who abuse policeman. So let's see if there are double standards all round. Seems so at the moment.
