Dickheads are going to be dickheads. Sounds like you reacted well OP. I actually pity people like him. It must be awful to live with with so much hate and not be intelligent enough to function like a normal, decent human.
Had a racist arsehat work at our place a few years ago. Right wing tattoos on his legs, arms and crown (under his hair). I walked in to the maintenance shed to grab some kit one day and he was in there, singing his heart out to Jimmy Cliff. I saw red and gave him ten minutes of abuse on the fact that he was so pathetic he couldn’t even manage to be a racist idiot properly.
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If the whole race issue could have been "magically" filtered I bet the winning ratio of the Remain vote would be worryingly huge.
Brexit peeps ^ missing the point.
That language is unacceptable. What a sad little man.
What i don't get about these types of people is how/why are they so angry about so little!
Because of the speed he drove off at - I’m not confident I have his plate 100% right - it was one of those oddly spaced private ones. I will return at the same time (Hard not to really!) and see I I can see him and get his plate and be sure of it.
Either way, he doesn’t represent me.
I’m fairly convinced he doesn’t represent most people. I wouldn’t have mentioned Brexit if that idiot hadn’t.
Thanks for your support all - massively appreciated. However, there is one very funny thing about the situation - my skin is light brown... No different to a reasonable tan. I look more Mediterranean or Arab than I do my real heritage which is 50/50 white European and Mauritian Asian. So the guy is not only stupid and racist, he’s also blind!
Good idea.
WAC is all I can say. They guy has clearly been emboldened, but may have still yelled at you still. I am amazed at the level of racism I come across still, but people know it's not polite so only say it in front of "there own". I flip between walking away and spouting off!
Now, I’m confident most Brexit voters are not racist – so that’s not my point.
Most brexit votes were cast over xenophobic issues. Very few people have any idea over trade, regulations etc.
Unfortunately, some folk feel that BREXIT legitimised these types of views.
It surely did.
The racists have always been among us, walking around like normal people. Brexit made it ok to be racist in public.
I've heard things in the last 18 months that I haven't heard in over 25 years. And I'm white. I'll type a couple up in a follow-up post.
Being a knob does not generally correlate with any particular voting preference.
To sugerst and imply this is the view of many other brexiters is frankly insulting!!
Whilst both of these statements are correct, it ignores the reversal: to wit, most knobs and and racists voted leave.
More simply, I wish the independence to decide how we live. In the same way that I feel that my parish should decide where houses are built not the government. From an immigration point of view I have no especial bias. I’d happily see 10 million Euro immigrants, in my experience hard working types, in the country if we could loose 11 million others. (Preferably those who are costing us the most like me in a few years time.) My objection is purely that we are over full.
Then you've been fooled, because we already have the independence to decide how we live and always have. I'd love to hear of an example where that's not the case.
We need more skilled workers, you're absolutely right. But we have the power to establish tighter controls around immigration and the rights to work / not work and yet choose not to use them. This is nothing to do with the EU.
And we aren't "over full," that's a lie fed to you by UKIP and the Daily Express.
No doubt I’ll be hacked down for this by those who fail to see that we all have a right to speak.
Oh, do **** off. "We won, you lost, shut up and get over it, stop whining" is a leaver mantra, they're the ones trying to shut down discussion. The shouty leavers want nothing more than to "democratically" silence any opposition. You have every right to speak, just as we have every right to discuss the flaws in your thinking.
Bet a quid someone proves me correct by objecting to this post.
"Freedom of speech" doesn't mean that anything is acceptable or that everyone has to accept what anyone else says. Was the person calling the OP a **** simply exercising their right of free speech? Was the OP wrong to object?
Where do you want your quid sending?
I’m really sorry to hear you had to put up with that. Words fail me when I hear stories like that
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I'll just go back to this,
I’d happily see 10 million Euro immigrants, in my experience hard working types, in the country if we could loose 11 million others.
What others are you referring to here?
You're implying that EU immigrants are hard workers and non-EU immigrants aren't? "I'm not racist, I just don't like brown people"?
Here's a thing. If Brexit goes ahead, the opposite is going to happen. We're already seeing a mass exodus of "hard working Euro immigrants," unimportant people like Doctors and Nurses, because they no longer feel welcome here. The cold hard fact so uncomfortable to leavers is that we need immigrant workers at every skill level, "we'll train our own then" is a bollocks argument because if that were the solution then we'd be doing it already.
We leave the EU, the exchange rate will surely plummet faster than net EU migration. We're then going to be massively attractive to prospective immigrants from other parts of the world like, as a random example, the Indian subcontinent. And we'll welcome them with open arms as we'll be so desperate by that point.
[b]mattsccm[/b] wrote:
Bet a quid someone proves me correct by objecting to this post.
😆 - get your defence in early! I presume you reckon that clever little line at the end makes your post immune to criticism? For the record I don't object to your post - or any post you've made - at all, you're entitled to your opinion. What you're not entitled to is to express your opinion and expect it won't be criticised.
If you want your views and are preaching free speech etc then you have to accept all views.
Free speech doesn't mean what you seem to think it does
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As I suggested,an opinion contrary to that possessed by the STW mass is not allowed but is to be ridiculed.
cite. Not only is that untrue, you didn't even suggest it before. An opinion from somebody who has paid no attention to the points they claim they're replying to is to be ridiculed.
Its hilarious that so many of those who preach love and kindness to all are so uncarrying of anyone who dares to argue.
ah, so now to be a nice person you have to be uncritical of opinions different to yours, no matter how abhorrent?
As I mentioned before, you do seem awfully defensive and incapable of taking criticism - the main criticism is that you've completely failed to comprehend the point being made here (that even if you and your mates aren't racist, by voting Leave you're enabling and empowering those who are).
Sorry to hear about this unpleasant incident. The sad thing is it’s quite a common event. The issue is summed up by mattsccm. His comment is typical of the Xenophobic attitudes which seem to be popular at the moment. A bit of small minded Xenophobia seems to quickly lead to blatant racism. Stop the bus I want to get off and return to an open minded cosmopolitan society.
Sounds like you dealt with the situation well, jamj1974, and remained above davidtaylforth's suggestion. My only surprise is that you were surprised, that might even be a good thing, people seem to be less vocally racist even if still racist to the core.
Racist comment on this forum is now a no, rightly so, xenophobia is less evident but in some cases still there. I really don't believe the people have changed they are just frustrated racists who can no longer vocalise their views without getting warned/banned/cut down by Junkyard. Anyhow, STW members with long memories will remember who they were/are and can compare with those declaring themselves leavers on the first twenty pages of the EU thread.
Just in case I was imagining things I typed a few of the culprits into Google along with singletrackworld and was reminded that Brexit and xenophobia are traits found in members that may also (be):
sexist and proud of it
match-going football supporters
WWII fanatics
blame traffic density on immigrants
Military
live in Essex
So why wasn't I surprised these people voted leave? Sometimes you don't need statistics to make correlations.
My only surprise is that you were surprised
Not surprised at the racism. More surprised at it being loudly and crudely articulated with an audience largely composed of children. Surprised at the term used in the abuse - bearing in mind my comment above about my appearance, for a person with a mixed background - I am quite light-complexioned and don’t look black.
Measured comments op, you're the better man for not dropping to the level of such an oxygen thief. I would agree brexit is a badge of empowerment for racist knobs.
I'm equally saddened that some people are so thick that it's fine to call racist's 'retards', oh teh ironing.
I said I'd post a couple of anecdotes.
First was, I think, shortly after the referendum. Walking through Preston, behind me I heard a shout, "why don't you just **** off back where you came from?" I spun round stunned, couldn't identify who'd said it, when the the target of this ire shot back "what, Bolton?"
Second was last summer. I'd gone to pick up a mate from the pub. He was sat in the garden out front with a bloke I didn't know. Waiting for him to finish his pint, a car drove past. A little Asian girl was hanging out of the back window waving. I'm not good with kids' ages, I'd guess maybe 5 or 6, cute as a button. She gave us a wave and big cheery smile, "hello!" she yelled. The guy my mate was with yelled back, "**** off you black c***!"
Is this a side effect of brexit? I can't say for sure, there have always been racists as I said in my earlier post. But prior to the referendum I can't remember the last time I heard such overt displays, it must be decades ago.
sorry to hear that you had to deal with that kind of shit
brexit voters hey?
the referendum was a cynical, self-centred move engineered by utterly callous bastards.
something as far reaching and weighty as this should never have been left to the will of the people and should have been managed at every stage by ideological expert analysts. confused, defeated, frightened and demoralised peasants ruled by their simplistic emotions should not be responsible for global politics (and i include myself in that demographic)
the leave vote has certainly empowered less evolved beings.. people who knew that their inhuman views were outdated, and who chose to wisely fade into obscurity and consign their shallow views to the history books, really are suddenly emboldened by the undercurrents sown by the referendum.
if the instigators did not realise the consequences of their actions, if they did not engineer the division that they have sown, then we are truly ruled by silly boys with no more right to privilege and power than the next man.
I hope they find a way to fix the mess and serve the country best
just frustrated racists who can no longer vocalise their views without getting warned/banned/cut down by Junkyard.
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I hope they find a way to fix the mess and serve the country best
You and me both.
(quote) if we could loose 11 million others.(/quote)
A basic English test should help decide which ones to deport.
<span style="color: #444444; font-size: 16px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; background-color: #eeeeee;">A basic English test should help decide which ones to deport</span>
Not sure if trolling, but that would wipe out the majority of my white British work colleagues judging by the contents of most emails I receive.
If Troll, must try much harder. If not Troll, idiot
Span Style FTW
I think it was just a cheeky dig.
I try not to call people out on spelling these days. It's a lazy argument. I've known plenty of people who were highly intelligent but couldn't string a coherent sentence together. There does seem to be a correlation though between people who complain about non-nationals not "learning our language" and their own lack of command of it.
Ridiculous all the right-wing snowflakes getting all in a tizzy despite the OP being totally clear that he wasn't saying all Brexit supporters are racist.
<span style="color: #444444; font-size: 12px; background-color: transparent;">Its hilarious that so many of those who preach love and kindness to all are so uncarrying of anyone who dares to argue. Hypocrisy rules by the looks of it.</span>
<p style="padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 12px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; line-height: 1.2em; color: #444444; margin: 1rem 0px !important;">Its easy really. If you want your views and are preaching free speech etc then you have to accept all views. If you don’t then that’s fair enough but do not pretend that you are such a wonderful human being as you are as narrow minded as those you object to. .</p>
<p style="padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 12px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; line-height: 1.2em; color: #444444; margin: 1rem 0px !important;">You can’t have it any other way can you?</p>
<p style="padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; line-height: 1.2em; margin: 1rem 0px !important;"><span style="color: #444444;"><span style="font-size: 12px;">Bet a quid someone proves me correct by objecting to this post.</span></span>
I'm not tolerant of intolerance, soz. And as above, free speech has absolutely nothing to do with accepting ignorance and prejudice without criticising.</p>
D’oh I didn’t catch the loose / lose thing when I first read it. That’s me getting deported then. As long as it’s somewhere with warmer, brighter winters I’ll be happy.
I deported myself many moons ago. The winters are warmer and brighter alright but if they make me sit a Spanish spelling test, they'll stick me on the first flight back to Barrow in Furness 🙁
Idiocy knows no bounds. I was drinking with my dad and some friends in Spain several months ago and we were discussing brexit in a normal bar, I'm obviously British, as is my dad there was a Spanish guy and his wife, a Dutch guy, a Norwegian guy... This is beginning to sound like a joke but I assure you it's not.
This other British guy came over, the typical annoying type, and started spouting off about foreigners and how he thought brexit was brilliant.
It transpired he lives in Spain through the summer and goes back to England. He was also wearing a white shirt with a red cross on it.
Most disturbing was that my dad is a Spanish resident now, so couldn't vote in the referendum, but the racist chancer who's still technically British could.
What a prize tosser.
Send him apoplectic with rage by turning up on your bike next time. Probably hates "them cyclists" too.
I try not to call people out on spelling these days. It’s a lazy argument.
Normally I'd agree, but it's actually quite powerful in the current context.
One of the attempts at justifying racism is the mistaken belief of white supremacy (including intelligence). A second point is that it's usually the people demanding that an immigrant "talks proper" who have a pretty poor grasp of the English language themselves.
*I wholly expect at least one typo to be present in this post
No, your good. Blame my spell checker if wrong. 😉
Interesting pint you make too.
Point! Damnit!
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@ poopscoop
*you're good........
I always think I have proof read it... Until after I post it and REALLY proof read it! 😀
You may think it strange – but for sure today I’m proud of my ethnicity and feel determined to be proud of it no matter what.
So you should be, you're better than the moron who abused you.
I’m confident most Brexit voters are not racist
No but even if a tiny proportion are (and they are), it was enough to sway the vote.
I'm ignoring the Brexit bit. The person's actions were bang out of order, ignorant, racist and should be reported.
Maybe I live a sheltered life but I thought until recently attitudes like that were long gone.
THEN a few years back whilst visiting that there London I took my 4 year old on a boat trip down the Thames. The boat does an obligatory slow turn in front of Tower Bridge and every stands up and gets their photos taken in front.
An extended African family get up and take their time. 4 people behind me start making comments. Annoyed their view was spoiled. Using the n* word and a whole lot more that I heard but really didn't realise got used these days.
Just a damning indictment of the point the OP is making.
Just a damning indictment of the point the OP is making.
No, not really. If you think the increase in overt and unprovoked racism that has occurred since the Brexit vote has nothing to do with Brexit, then I’m afraid the only damning indictment is on your rather poor observational skills.
Can you have "right wing snowflakes" ?? OK now I am very confused. Surely snowflakes are by definition white liberals ?? Am I getting my epithets confused ?? What should I do, I know I will petition the Guardian to write us a guide.
etc etc
Snowflake is generally meant to describe white liberals being over-sensitive and getting 'triggered', but I'm using it to take the piss because it turns out that lots of these right-wing types are actually incredibly sensitive.
So when someone mentions a vile racist incident where Brexit was explicitly referenced, and clearly says 'I'm not calling all Brexit supporters racist', several posters get all up in arms about 'how dare you try and associate Brexit with racism', etc etc.
Edit: thanks Klunk, exactly
*sitting and finding myself nodding in agreement with bencooper*
No, not really. If you think the increase in overt and unprovoked racism that has occurred since the Brexit vote has nothing to do with Brexit, then I’m afraid the only damning indictment is on your rather poor observational skills.
Erm a tad harsh. Where did I say the increase in racism has nothing to do with Brexit? Where did I even mention an increase in racism? My point was I was surprised at the attitude of the people on the boat but no longer surprised such attitudes exist.
If my observational skills are that bad I wouldn't have noticed it going on.
Chill out.
I don't know if we've now moved on from the original post but: OP, that's utterly horrendous.
Things like this remind me of how naive I am in thinking that this kind of directed and very vocal racism wasn't really a British thing any more. Without wishing to make it worse, it boggles the mind that someone would even go to that mentally in terms of things to shout at a stranger.
Things like this remind me of how naive I am in thinking that this kind of directed and very vocal racism wasn’t really a British thing any more. Without wishing to make it worse, it boggles the mind that someone would even go to that mentally in terms of things to shout at a stranger.
This this and this
<p style="padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 16px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; line-height: 1.5rem; color: #444444; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; margin: 1rem 0px !important;">sexist and proud of it
match-going football supporters
WWII fanatics
blame traffic density on immigrants
Military
live in Essex</p>
<p style="padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; font-size: 16px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; line-height: 1.5rem; color: #444444; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; margin: 1rem 0px !important;">So why wasn’t I surprised these people voted leave? Sometimes you don’t need statistics to make correlations.</p>
Not if you’re just airing your own nasty prejudices whilst criticising those of others.
Agreed with most of what BenCooper posted, but I was struck by the irony of them being posted by someone who supports Scottish Independence. Same arguments!
" Without wishing to make it worse, it boggles the mind that someone would even go to that mentally in terms of things to shout at a stranger. "
Great sentence.
airtragicNot if you’re just airing your own nasty prejudices whilst criticising those of others.
Quite.