Is it just me that thinks that thx1138 is the new elfin login?
No.
(And its a crap film too)
Tom B - MemberIs it just me that thinks that thx1138 is the new elfin login?
Well, apart from the fact that they appear to have a different place of residence, religion, marital status, income and view on absolutely everything under the sun, I can see how you got confused.
Unless of course 'elfin' is just code for someone you don't agree with who won't shut up when you ask them to.
Unless of course 'elfin' is just code for someone you don't agree with who won't shut up when you ask them to.
🙂
Seems that way. But they're a paranoid lot on these bikey forums...
Aren't they just.
And they're all exactly who they say they are, with just the one log on.......
It would be equally valid (and just as unprovable) to say
"Generally comments about rehabilitation and cuddle therapy are born out of lack of guts to do whats required, and ignorance of the issues"
I don't think so. Rehabilitation of offenders is proven to reduce the likelihood of reoffending. The death penalty and permanent incarceration are proven to be ineffective forms of deterrent.
Calling it cuddle therapy highlights an ignorance of the issues. Also commenting that rehabilitation somehow indicates a lack of courage highlights an ignorance of the issues.
So to summarise, I don't think your comment has any relevance to mine whatsoever.
So to summarise, I don't think your comment has any relevance to mine whatsoever
I didn't say it was relevant (or correct)
I said it was just as valid (and unprovable)
And they're all exactly who they say they are, with just the one log on.......
I am 🙂
When you have kids you will know
i used to view child murders as tragic now I need to dry my eyes when I read of them.
junky - you massive hysterical drama queen! 😆
I didn't say it was relevant (or correct)
I said it was just as valid (and unprovable)
You attempted to draw a parallel between the two statements that doesn't actually exist. Which makes your comment invalid AND irrelevant. Perfect for a bit of forum stoking though, which seems to be your usual intention, no?
100!!
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Some people who are parents will hold the same opinion as you, but not that many.
And you have the data to back up this claim?
Given my username is my first name plus initial then I think that it's safe to say I'm being open about who I am. thx uses a very similar assertive questioning style as elfin minus the mockney. Ho hum.
So you've reported him to the mods then, seeing as elfin is banned?
And you have the data to back up this claim?
Do you have any to refute it ?
How can the death penalty not be an effective deterrent?Hang him he wont do it again will he?
Far to many Lord Longford sorts on here.
How can the death penalty not be an effective deterrent?Hang him he wont do it again will he?
You are getting deterrent & punishment mixed up I think.
How can the death penalty not be an effective deterrent?Hang him he wont do it again will he?
that is actually a very good point. I mean since the Americans have used the death penalty there hasn't been a single murder over there has there? 😀
I didnt say others wont murder ,and its cheaper than locking them up for 40 years
I'm not making any claimsnealglover - Member - Quote
And you have the data to back up this claim?
Do you have any to refute it ?
[quote=Edric 64 ]I didnt say others wont murder ,and its cheaper than locking them up for 40 years
Murder is wrong unless it's the state that carries it out?
Er, the death penalty isn't an effective deterrent because WE DON'T HAVE IT HERE.
I'm not making any claims
That's wasn't what I asked.
I asked if you had anything to refute what I said.
Im perfectly happy with what I said..
but you seemed to take issue with it, so feel free to prove me wrong if you like ?
Otherwise, like I said, I'm happy with it.
I've had a look at the photos and there is a very good chance it is him.
I don't really know how I feel about it, part of me wants him to get a savage beating, but then this is probably not the solution!!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but is he not currently in jail? Lynch mobs are a pretty bad idea at best but if they can only possibly get the wrong man, that's not really the best start.
barnsleymitch - MemberEr, the death penalty isn't an effective deterrent because WE DON'T HAVE IT HERE.
Is the reason it's not an effective deterrant in the states also because WE DON'T HAVE IT HERE?
Im perfectly happy with what I said..
But you can't back it up with data. Or can you?
But you can't back it up with data. Or can you?
It's an opinion.
Im not looking to get it Peer Reviewed and published 🙄
If someone has evidence to prove it wrong, fine.
If not, like I said twice already, I'm happy with my opinion.
I wonder how many of the jury, judge, social workers etc. involved in the case (the ones it appears thx agrees with - or have I got confused about who holds what opinion on here) have kids?
lets solve nealglovers lack of data with a little poll.
Add your names and status below
toys19: has kids, agrees with thx1138
nealglover: has kids, does not agree with thx1138
nealglover: has kids, does not agree with thx1138
Your data is flawed so I reject your findings 🙂
It's an opinion.
That you can't back up. And, iirc, stated as if it's a fact. So fair enough, you stated an opinion, that you can't back up. Glad we've cleared that up.
An "IMO" often helps when making those kind of assertions.
HTH.
HTH.
You can hope 😉
so you don't have kids?
Oh dear.
so you don't have kids?
Oh dear.
I did say so quite clearly.
Keep up love.
ah sorry, I'll amend the data set:
toys19: has kids, agrees with thx1138
nealglover: no kids, does not agree with thx1138
Me- has kid, agrees
You can hope
In my case, HTH stood for Happy To Help. I'd know better than to hope. 😛
Personally I think the pair of them should have been locked up for ever - both as a punishment and to protect society from them, and them from society.
It annoys me that £1000's of tax payers money has been spent, and is continuing to be spent protecting them, and hiding their identities.
I don't agree with the death penalty for various reasons, one of which is I feel it is pointless as it doesn't act as a deterant to people who are incapable of rational thought - which clearly covers these two individuals.
I hate the whole 'Sun reader Vigilante' thing, but can't help thinking it wouldn't be a bad thing if the pair of them end up dumped across a railway line with their heads caved in...
The only sensible solution to the current problem is to take them into protective custody and throw away the key.
t annoys me that £1000's of tax payers money has been spent, and is continuing to be spent protecting them, and hiding their identities.
Shirley it'd cost more if they were 'locked up for ever'?
freeagent - MemberIt annoys me that £1000's of tax payers money has been spent, and is continuing to be spent protecting them, and hiding their identities.
Take that one up with the vigilantes...
Personally I don't think justice has been done in case of Thompson and Venables. A few cushy years in an offenders institute, new identities and most likely handed some opportunities to help get them on their way in society. What does one of them end up doing? Showing a sexual inetrest in kids. Looks like all the rehab worked.
They should have locked up for a lot longer.
Tom B - Memberit annoys me that £1000's of tax payers money has been spent, and is continuing to be spent protecting them, and hiding their identities.
Shirley it'd cost more if they were 'locked up for ever'?
Yep, but at least the money would be being used to keep him away from the rest of society, or even the internet.
At the moment we ain't exactly getting much for our money are we? -
Other than supporting two very damaged/potentially dangerous and downright evil individuals out in the big wide world..
A few cushy years in an offenders institute
do you know anything about YOI other than the clichéd soundbites? Presumably you'd be happy for your own kids to grow up at one then?
They're not as austere as some might like but then that's been shown to be ineffective in actually reforming kids. the "cushy" option isn't even close to 100% effective, as we've seemingly this instance but at least it can work.
I do think the inability to reoffend after death is somewhat under rated in the 'lock them up for life or rehabilitate' argument. If wicked people are to be reintegrated into society they have to live next to somebody. If they're truthful would anyone of the pro rehabilitation for Mr V be happy to have him live next door to them? I know that's an overly personalised question but it's also reality for someone.
There is no 'right' answer that caters for all consequences, liberal or humane views but one definitely prevents reoffending, the rest don't.
thing folks tend to forget is when we are born we are blank canvasses. The urge to do evil or bad things can only come from surroundings and environment (with the odd clinical illness sometimes thrown in the mix). Everyone has the capacity to do things that are truly abhorrent with the right or wrong developmental triggers and stimuli. I find it strange that the sun reading vigilantes who want to "hang the paedo" are one in the same that find a photo of a woman dressed as a naughty school girl in the paper titillating.
revenge is not just and it is not right in a civilised society and that's all the death penalty or vigilante "justice" can be.
By all means keep those that are too damaged safely away from society, but we need to understand the early triggers and development of such people to prevent at source in the future rather than just knee jerk at the end result.
oh and tazzy- has kids....is not a hysterical drama queen or vigilante
The death penalty is NOT cheaper than a life sentence.
It costs approximately $5.5 million to execute a convicted felon, it costs approx $2.5 million to incarcerate a 20yr old male for the rest of his natural life.
That is in the US by the way, with all the appeals that are allowed under US law. Given that we would require at least the same protections under law as an American citizen, the costs involved would be similar.
Therefore, taking the perceived cost element out of it leaves revenge & revenge must never be mistaken for justice.
Cases are to be judged on they're merit. Given the heinous and despicable nature of this particular crime then I can see why some would be happy to see these individuals never to be released into society again.
And if I were related to the family affected by the offenders then I know exactly what Id like to happen to them.
Playing the devils advocate, where do we draw the line? If a murder is judged as premeditated should we never let offenders have the chance of liberty? Or only if children are the victims?
This particular crime, and that of its ilk are rare. These individuals are truly disturbed and its unlikely that either of them would go on to lead a productive and 'normal' role in society.
To that end, and the public's interest in the case and the offenders then in my opinion. They should have served the mandatory life sentence when they reached 18 years.
Or should they have been locked up without limit of time?