It worries me when I read sensible stuff posted by Taz on the interwebs 🙂
It worries me when I read sensible stuff posted by Taz on the interwebs
I just assume he's taken some drugs when he does. 🙂 It just ads to his sexiness if you ask me.
sorry.....usual offensive and slighty knobendery banter over on the SS rigid thread ------> over that way....I've already got satan on a single speed...now for pics of booobies!
The death penalty is NOT cheaper than a life sentence.It costs approximately $5.5 million
But that's the states, in the UK G4S have tendered at £10 a head 🙂
Thankfully, global support for the death penalty dwindles each year. Apart from animalising society, the most compelling argument against CP is that innocent people will be killed by it due to shortcomings in the justice system and human fallibility.
... and good post by tazzy.
I find it strange that the sun reading vigilantes who want to "hang the paedo" are one in the same that find a photo of a woman dressed as a naughty school girl in the paper titillating.
+1, and for the rest of your post.
I've seen the pictures, and although it does look like him... What if it isn't? It's not like these vigilantes do their homework. The time that some tried to burn down a paediatricians house springs to mind.
Also, those that want to see him have a good hiding, I'd bet my front wheel he's had more than a few of those before and after he became an offender.
When you have kids you will know
This all smacks of the Bill Bailey skit on "Speaking as a mother [insert bullshit here]".
For the posters claiming this gives you some sith [sic] sense, why not just accept that you may have clouded judgement on the issue?
I didnt say others wont murder ,and its cheaper than locking them up for 40 years
It is, however, a lot harder to meaningfully pardon a wrongfully convicted innocent person after the state has wrung them by the neck. Far too many reactionary nutjobs on here.
Personally I don't think justice has been done in case of Thompson and Venables. A few cushy years in an offenders institute, new identities and most likely handed some opportunities to help get them on their way in society. What does one of them end up doing? Showing a sexual inetrest in kids. Looks like all the rehab worked.They should have locked up for a lot longer.
Might it just be that locking up children has very poor efficacy as a rehabilitation method?
So now they are wrongly convicted ? If we cant hang them is firing squad or gassing ok ?
The time that some tried to burn down a paediatricians house springs to mind.
Well, it might "spring to mind" but the problem is, that never actually happened.
You have either believed a made up story, or made it up.
Not sure which ?
that never actually happened
I'm prepared to believe that it did, do you have evidence that it didn't?
[url= http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2000/aug/30/childprotection.society ]oh look august 2000 childrens dr driven from home by knobbers[/url]
There was Dr Yvette Cloette, a paediatrician whose house was vandalised and sprayed with "paedo"...
<dang! too slow>
I'm prepared to believe that it did, do you have evidence that it didn't?
You can believe what you like.
Everyone has the right to be wrong 😉
[url] http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/wire/8897 [/url]
and from a review of the news of the world name and shame campaign
the campaign immediately ran into problems.
There were violent scenes throughout the country as local people formed vigilante-type mobs intent on driving men taken to be those pictured in the paper out of their neighbourhoods.
In Portsmouth 300 people attacked the home of a local taxi driver who had been named by the paper.
An innocent man, Iain Armstrong, was beaten up by a mob in Manchester after being mistaken for one of the pictured paedophiles - apparently because he wore a neck-brace which looked like one worn to the man in the News of the World's picture.
nealglover - Member
You can believe what you like
So that's a 'no' then.
So that's a 'no' then.
Read the link.
It explains where the urban myths about "burning down paediatricians houses" come from.
But you can choose to pretend you think it happened and look daft in an attempt to "prove a point" if you like.
Your choice.
It explains where the urban myths about "burning down paediatricians houses" come from.
well to be fair is presents the supposition that it may have been kids with the graffiti but equally provides no supporting evidence.
so technically yes you are correct, no house was burned down....but persons unknown did spry her house, mobs in manchester did kick the crap out of a bloke for "looking a bit like paedo from the paper" and vigilantism has happened. so basically you are all wrong. 😀
Tazzymtb,
So nobody tried to burn down the house of a peadiatrician then ?
[edit] crossed posts.
But it is basically a made up story. Nobody ever burned down the house of a peadiatrician, or tried to.
neal darling I never claimed they did...hence why you are all wrong 😀
I was correcting wozza with his story that "sprung to mind"
(And rubber buccaneer who, I presume, was trying to prove a point)
The worst thing you can do is kill a kid, that's why kids who kill kids should be killed...
Blake Morrison's book about the Bulger murder and juvenile culpability As If is worth a read on this. It's not an easy (in the sense of comfortable - he writes very clearly and plainly).
[i]The worst thing you can do is kill a kid, that's why kids who kill kids should be killed...[/i]
Jesus H christ. So you're having a laugh when you say that, yes?
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Sometimes... people say things on here that make the mind boggle.
'thou shalt not *%£&*£!decaloguebunny!'
samuri - have you had an ironectomy?
Edric 64 - Member
So now they are wrongly convicted ? If we cant hang them is firing squad or gassing ok ?
Did I say that?
No.
I appreciate you may be being deliberately obtuse, but surely you can see that if the death penalty were brought in as a punishment for murder, there would be occasions where wrongly convicted innocent people end up being executed. If you can't see that then you have my pity.
I do think the inability to reoffend after death is somewhat under rated in the 'lock them up for life or rehabilitate' argument. If wicked people are to be reintegrated into society they have to live next to somebody. If they're truthful would anyone of the pro rehabilitation for Mr V be happy to have him live next door to them? I know that's an overly personalised question but it's also reality for someone.
I would rather do that than face the other options people (not you) have presented, such as jailing a person for life for a crime committed when they were so young or making them face the death penalty for the same.
Many people are in denial here and everywhere. Do people honestly think they have never lived near or associated with people who have sexually assaulted other adults or children, beaten their spouse or offspring or even committed murder. Some research suggests that most crimes go unreported and unpunished - most are indeed less sensationalised than this one...
I went to school with a child abuser, was taught by a teacher accused multiple times of improper behaviour, worked with a murderer and surely known people who have raped. I doubt my experience is uncommon.
Neal I stand corrected, I think.
I was correcting wozza with his story that "sprung to mind"
(And rubber buccaneer who, I presume, was trying to prove a point)
The story is a myth but it doesn't really alter the fact that we have a nasty, vindictive, unhealthy and counter-productive obsession/hysteria around child sex crimes in this country, fuelled by our delightful tabloid media.
The story is a myth but it doesn't really alter the fact that we have a nasty, vindictive, unhealthy and counter-productive obsession/hysteria around child sex crimes in this country,[b] fuelled by our delightful tabloid media.[/b]]
Like when they make up stories about "a mob burning down a paediatricians house" 😉
Which then become "facts" referenced by people who are unintentionally perpetuating a wider myth that "this sort of thing" is happening all the time.
Yes, it does happen from time to time. But it's hardly common.
And maybe the "made up" paediatrician stories have actually helped to reduce the incidents, by publicising how vigilantism can go badly wrong ?
The worst thing you can do is kill a kid, that's why kids who kill kids should be killed...
Jesus H christ. So you're having a laugh when you say that, yes?
No, I'm dead set serious.
Btw my previous post obviously should have had the word "read" at the end.
I genuinely perplexed at some of the attitudes on here...unsubstantiated photos which may or may not be Venables and Thomson.
Their identities have been kept secret for years to prevent this exact thing happening. It is just a shame there are many [s]****s[/s] weapons-grade idiots in the country which will take them as gospel and possibly maim/kill/wee in the shoes of some innocent.
How about directing this fury at the NHS chiefs who oversaw the mass starvation of thousands in Staffs? The MoD procurement wasting billions on shit contracts for cushy jobs when they leave?
****s
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[url= http://www.****/news/article-1061850/Father-murdered-vigilante-mob-home-victim-mistaken-identity.html ]At least he wasn't burned down.[/url]
When I lived in Croydon every Saturday they would let people have a little demonstration. Normally one group of nutters saying how much better their religion is than others.
One day they had a protest against child abuse.Lots of shouty people and a young girl who just stood there crying.
I have never worked out if these people had installed such fear into the girl that she was crying for a thing that hadn't happened yet or she just hated being there.
Yes, it does happen from time to time. But it's hardly common.
Not really sure what your point is TBH. Do you think we have a healthy, rational view on 'paedos' in this country?
If wicked people are to be reintegrated into society they have to live next to somebody. If they're truthful would anyone of the pro rehabilitation for Mr V be happy to have him live next door to them? I know that's an overly personalised question but it's also reality for someone.
to be fair, statistically most abuse happens within the family circle..but only "paedo in the park" type hysteria sells copy and the press are happy to fan the flames of ignorance with such stuff as it keeps them employed.
"The majority of perpetrators sexually assault children known to them, with about 80% of offences taking place in the home of either the offender or the victim."
does not sell papers!
and yes, if someone was undergoing rehabilitation, was being monitored etc....I'd have no problems with them being in the community near my family. As with any predator..the one you see is not the problem, it's the ones coming in from your blind side that get you.
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Tazzy. I may be a drama queen about kids deaths now I have kids but my point was having kids changed me.
Re.we are born as a blank slate genetics would tend to suggest otherwise. The extent of genetics v environment is one that will never be answered both in general and also for an individual. Some folk are born wrong uns and some.are.made.bad by upbringing. We will never.know which is which in this case IMHO.
Some folk are born wrong uns
not really, some folk may be born with a inherited neurological or metabolic condition which may present a psychotic disorder at a later stage with the correct triggers or lack of treatment....
most studies are based on the possibility of genetic pre-disposition towards aggressive behaviour.
One gene that has been linked to violence regulates the production of the monoamine oxidase A enzyme, which controls the amount of serotonin in the brain.
All experts in this field agree that genes are ruled by the environment, which can either mute or aggravate violent impulses. Many people with the same genetic tendency for aggressiveness will never throw a punch, while others without it could be career criminals.
to say some are born wrong uns is to hark back to the ignorance of the past where we could suppose the the shape of a mans head determines if he was going to be murderer.
Lets get to criminal phrenology.
Sorry junky. in this you are wrong. Mankind's ability to do horrific things to each other is Nurture not nature
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I *heart* tazzy. He speaks sense.
He speaks sense.
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That's what I thought too! Are you sure noone's hijacked your account for that last post? 😉
no that was studying* genetics at uni 😀
*vague recollections through a hung over daze of little laddery things and being disappointed that I could't clone an army of goth beauties to be my concubines
So Venables has re-offended, has Thomson kept his nose clean and head down? If he has, rehabilitation has had a 50% success rate in this particular case which may not be too bad when compared to overall figures (it's late and my Google ability has failed to find stats to back this up).